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Title: What is Art?
Post by: f3raligatr on March 04, 2013, 19:12
What constitutes art?

What makes good art? What ranks a drawing? Is it isolated to pen and paper..?
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Liam on March 04, 2013, 19:14
Something that makes you happy, and other people sad (but they don't matter).
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: f3raligatr on March 04, 2013, 19:21
Something that makes you happy, and other people sad (but they don't matter).

Is art emotion, then?

Can I, for instance, throw a can of paint at a wall and call it art because it represents frustration, anger, depression..?
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: OpallapO on March 04, 2013, 19:24
Art is whatever you want it to be.

Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Liam on March 04, 2013, 19:25
Is art emotion, then?

Can I, for instance, throw a can of paint at a wall and call it art because it represents frustration, anger, depression..?

Yeah, I guess so.

There will be critics, of course, but as long as you're happy representing your emotions in that way you can call it whatever you like. Art may be too subjective to define perfectly.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: OpallapO on March 05, 2013, 20:15
I don't understand how anyone can criticise art because art can be anything. People create art to express an opinion or emotion that is personal to them. It is something the want to share with the world to get their point across, or maybe show people another side to something. Art has no definition or boundaries, so how can someone decide whether a piece of art is good or bad? They can have an opinion, but it is just an opinion, and therefore not right or wrong.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: MRxo on March 06, 2013, 00:13
It's all completely open to interpretation. That's why anything can be art.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Sebastian Moran on March 06, 2013, 01:47
art is bunk. 
 
that above sentence is a statement on the current attitudes towards art in an environment where unemployment is high, the economy is broken and people listless: they feel betrayed by something and anything designed for something as "non-essential" as an emotionally invoking thing, emphasizing the rush of modern day life and the cynicism bred by the disappointment of society, turning their backs on anything which requires thought and pause without any direct, physical or monetary reward. 
 
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: That Girl in the 'Roo Suit on March 06, 2013, 02:17
Art is creation. The oxford dictionary defines it as:
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the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power

Typically, yes, it is visual. But on a larger scale, art is far wider. For me, art is the ability to express something. For example I would, to an extent, class history as a form of art. It is not necessarily the events themselves that is art, but the way historians record them, incorporating their own thoughts on the subject is what makes it an art form.

Baking is another one: translating food into something delicious. What you can do with staple ingredients to create something new.

It's a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Kpyna on March 06, 2013, 03:39
Art is like what everyone else says, something that evokes emotion. You don't necessarily need talent to produce art, and just because I consider its art doesn't mean its good. at all.

gotta say though, some stuff i have a difficult time considering art if its blantant rip-offs of someones own work. as in, someone can not simply unearth a sink designed by someone else and then call it his art. it doesnt work that way if theres 0 creativity involved.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Turner on March 06, 2013, 20:51
I think art is more like an uncontrollable 6th sense we all have. You can look at the most mundane thing at a certain way and there can be something artistic about it, other times it's just a piece of crap on the floor or something.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: lets all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes on March 06, 2013, 21:19
art is pointless navelgazing
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Webby on March 06, 2013, 21:40
I don't even think "what is art?" is an interesting question. Might be because it's what I'm writing for my dissertation. 4,700 words in and the definition of art gets boring. It's all intuition anyway. Doesn't matter if it's an objective or subjective matter, it's all a matter of how perceptive we are to these things.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: That Girl in the 'Roo Suit on March 12, 2013, 21:46
See, this is where it /does/ get interesting Daniel =]

Are you looking at art for art's sake, or propaganda? Because I can tell you for a fact in some civilisations there was no such thing as art because of art. Everything you see from certain parts of the world is all propaganda, regardless of how beautifully crafted/presented it is... But that's because you see the official stuff. Look beyond that, and you have a select few pieces again with an intended purpose, but reveal more about the people rather than the politics...

Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: MonsterMon64 on March 12, 2013, 22:24
This is a personal issue for me, because it's something I struggle with as someone who likes to draw, but is far from professional. There are so many forms of art it's hard to pin it down, but usually when it comes to things that aren't so-abstract-it's-totally-open-for-interpretation, there's typically an unspoken standard as to what constitutes "good art".

You may personally like something for whatever reason, but (for example) if it's drawn in MS Paint, it's kind of shaky visually, and the guy behind the image is seriously hoping to make it big with this pic, could you honestly just let him give it a shot because "it's art"? The chances are a million to one that anyone would give just any old drawing in Paint a second glance. You either need connections or enough talent/skill to constitute the tools and/or end results.

Of course, it depends on what you want to do with your art. If it's all for expression or fun, then it really shouldn't matter what people say about it. If you're constantly wanting to improve, or you have people to impress, goals for making a show, comic, etc, or you just want to reduce the chances of being perceived as a "sucky artist" by a certain percentage, it's gonna take practice, study, application, etc. It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and lightning seldom strikes the same place twice.

And for some people-- myself included-- it's kind of intimidating.

I dunno, I feel like this entire post is a confession of sorts, but I guess I realized something about myself in making it: I see art as a means to an end. A chance to open the door for greater things... but not a substitute for what you want to achieve.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Webby on March 13, 2013, 16:26
See, this is where it /does/ get interesting Daniel =]

Are you looking at art for art's sake, or propaganda?

BINGO! I wanted to write my dissertation in opposition of it, but because that's the obvious thing to do in philosophy my lecturer wanted me to support it instead. Although no one has ever done an explicit support of art for art's sake or aestheticism before so I'm finding it difficult to find resources to help me. My dissertation's more on the philosophy side of it, where we just find logical arguments that we don't necessarily have to believe in, and try to convince people as much as possible. Part of my dissertation is "what are the implications of this theory?" and I'm gonna go into detail about how the theory would make historical, religious and cultural art meaningless, but that's something I have to bite the bullet about. It's obvious that these pieces exist and are meaningful, buuuuuut I'm a little constrained on what I can actually say :\
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: MRxo on March 14, 2013, 01:02
My posts are art #carpediem
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Latias Tamer on March 18, 2013, 00:49
Art is something that that is seen as a form of conventional or unconventional beauty, as perceived by an individual person. There are no laws as to what is and isn't art.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Turner on March 19, 2013, 15:28
What is Art?

Baby don't paint me, don't paint me...no more.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Milsap on March 20, 2013, 23:30
So what about Performing Arts then? How is that different from art in the sense of Monet or Van Gough?

OP raised a relevant question.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: SirBlaziken on May 04, 2013, 12:44
3 words:

Art is complicated
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: 8bit on February 01, 2015, 17:58
Art is whatever you want it to be.

Totally incorrect. Art cannot, and never will be, whatever people say they want it to be. Art must derive from a source of inspiration, in which fuels creation or the making of a art, in order to be art. The work must be thoughtful, and it must be equal balanced with great conceptual headspace and the seven elements of art itself (line, color, texture, form, value, shape, space).

For what reason was the Sistine chapel commissioned?

Why did Salvador Dali paint the surreal works that he did?

What was the true meaning behind Picasso's exploration behind the human body, and why was he trying to achieve that?

What must we consider the purpose of the DADA movement?



Art must evoke emotion, and if it does not have that 'affeckt' on someone it does not mean the work is not art. Hypothetically speaking, it may just mean that the work is bad art, opposed to good art.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: lets all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes on February 01, 2015, 18:04
//whispers// hey that post was about 2 years ago its ok they've probably changed their mind since then or whatever
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Lord Raven on February 01, 2015, 19:10
yeah and besides i believe their response wasn't meant to be taken too literally, though the debate forum has been quite a bit more of a soap box whenever someone posts than an actual debate forum
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: MonsterMon64 on February 01, 2015, 19:31
Totally incorrect. Art cannot, and never will be, whatever people say they want it to be. Art must derive from a source of inspiration, in which fuels creation or the making of a art, in order to be art. The work must be thoughtful, and it must be equal balanced with great conceptual headspace and the seven elements of art itself (line, color, texture, form, value, shape, space).

Art must evoke emotion, and if it does not have that 'affeckt' on someone it does not mean the work is not art. Hypothetically speaking, it may just mean that the work is bad art, opposed to good art.

So you're saying for something to be art, it has to be open to interpretation, but also executed masterfully, and if it isn't then it's not "good"? I ask because I've been struggling with what makes art "good" or "bad" for a while now. There are so many forms of art that it's not always immediate when it's good, but bad art (or at the very least art that fails to invoke emotion) is usually noticeable.

I've been fed in recent years so much that whether something is good or bad is subjective, but I can't find myself agreeing entirely. Art follows standards like most things, yes? Yet one man's trash is another man's treasure. Where is the "objectively good" in art? It probably varies from case to case, medium to medium, but I'm certain it's there.
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: kindtocrows on February 01, 2015, 20:39
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art (n.)
early 13c., "skill as a result of learning or practice."
At least that's an extremely abbreviated version of the definition on dictionary.com.
Also:
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Fine arts, "those which appeal to the mind and the imagination"... ..."decorative design and handcraft"

If you accept dictionary definitions, basically, everything that was designed and/or created by someone is art. Art is too broad a term to really be debated. Even fine art, which is what is really being debated here, is pretty much just "something that makes you think or something that is visually appealing."
Title: Re: What is Art?
Post by: Spriter on February 01, 2015, 22:06
People see Art differently, so what someone (or many) see as the best piece of Art out there might mean nothing to someone else.

Whatever gets an emotional response varies between person so there's no concrete thing as to what is Art and what isn't, if you define Art as provoking such a response.