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Title: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 07, 2017, 14:35
My team is:

Sceptile
Gardevoir
Rayquaza
Spinda
Absol

Should I have Milotic, Wailord, Whiscash or Walrein?
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 07, 2017, 15:20
Milotic and Walrein are really good, the only problem is finding a water type for surf so you can get them.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 07, 2017, 15:27
I'll just get a Wailord or something for that!
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: Raphetty on January 07, 2017, 15:38
Getting Milotic will be pretty difficult regardless if you don't already have a Feebas.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 07, 2017, 15:42
Getting Milotic will be pretty difficult regardless if you don't already have a Feebas.
Seem unlikely I'll get a Milotic.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 07, 2017, 15:58
Seem unlikely I'll get a Milotic.

Yeah, Feebas is an absolute nightmare in these games.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 07, 2017, 16:03
So what one should I have?

If you say Milotic, could you say another Pokemon just in case I can't get one!
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 07, 2017, 16:32
Walrein is really good, use a Gyarados or something to get one, you find Sealeo in Shoal Cave around the 7th gym.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on January 07, 2017, 16:39
I think Whiscash tbh - I was going to say Walrein but its movepool is so bad. Whiscash can get EQ / Surf / Future Sight without a TM, saving the valuable EQ TM for Rayquaza or something else that needs it, and he also gets STAB on it. Walrein has 4 weaknesses and only 3 resists, assuming Thick Fat makes Fire a resist again, whilst Whiscash has an immunity and 4 resists, whilst only having a single weakness (albeit a quad weakness).
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 07, 2017, 16:40
Or you could just get gyarados.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on January 07, 2017, 16:45
Or you could just get gyarados.

I assume, given the rest of his team and the options given, he wants a gen 3 water type. Plus it's likely Gyarados has been used 30 gazillion times on various play-throughs which can make him a bit of a stale choice, and in gen 3 he has no physical STAB move outside of HP Flying. In fact, he only learns 2 non-special moves by level up (Thrash & Hyper Beam), and only EQ, Rock Smash & Hidden Power by TM/HM. I mean... special Gyarados is probably passable in game, but when you're forced to run special Gyarados becomes significantly less powerful than the competition.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 07, 2017, 16:54
Milotic it is, and a Gyarados or something like that to fish for it.

I recommend Recover and Mirror Coat for your non-HM slots
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 07, 2017, 19:18
I assume, given the rest of his team and the options given, he wants a gen 3 water type.
Yes! When playing a game, I use pokemon native to the region I'm in.

If I'm playing a game set in Kanto, I use Kanto pokemon only. When I'm in Johto, I only use Johto Pokemon. So when I'm in Hoenn, I only use Hoenn pokemon.

^the team above was made at a quick glance. Rayquaza and Spinda, I'll keep. Gardevoir, don't know. Don't know what and if I want a starter, don't want Mudkip this time!
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on January 07, 2017, 20:18
The Spheal family are useful. Defense Curl+ Ice Ball will increase damage like how Defense Curl + Rollout works. Sheer Cold can also come in handy if you are lucky enough to get it to hit. Ludicolo is also a nice niche to have considering it gets Swift Swim and Rain Dish and has access to Surf, Rain Dance, Giga Drain, and Dive. I recommend getting a Rain Dish since you can regain health in Rain effect.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 08, 2017, 18:01
I'll get Whiscash.

Slightly rethinking my team.

Going to have Spinda and Rayquaza.

Should I have Breloom or Shiftry?

Camerupt?

I really don't know what to have as my last pokemon!

Shedinja. Good or bad?

Gardevoir. Nice, but overused!

Hariyama?
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 08, 2017, 19:52
Breloom, Shedinja is good. I would prefer Ninjask, but it's your team.  Yes Camerupt.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: Raphetty on January 08, 2017, 20:26
If you want all 8 HMs on 2 Pokémon you'll need a Tropius plus a suitable water type:

Tropius
- Fly
- Flash
- Cut
- Strength/Rock Smash

Whiscash/Crawdaunt/Ludicolo/Sharpedo/Wailord/Walrein/Relicanth (no Strength on Relicanth)
- Surf
- Dive
- Waterfall
- Strength/Rock Smash

I'll mention Azumarill as well since it got a pre-evolution in gen 3.

Edit: added Whiscash.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 08, 2017, 20:30
Rayquaza's my flying pokemon, Whiscash is my surfing pokemon!

Also adding to the Breloom/Shiftry choice: Cacturne? Never used it!

Sableye?
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 08, 2017, 20:38
I would still use Breloom, and no, don't use Sableye in this gen, it's not good.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: Raphetty on January 08, 2017, 20:49
I would still use Breloom, and no, don't use Sableye in this gen, it's not good.

Sableye is not really lacking in attacks, a set like this would be passable in game:

- Shadow Ball
- Brick Break
- Shock Wave
- Aerial Ace/Psychic
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 08, 2017, 22:01
Look at Sableye's stats

(https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/anim/normal/sableye.gif)

HP        50
ATK       75
DEF       75
SP.ATK   65
SP.DEF   65
SPE       50

Not to mention that most of it's useful moves are status, and prankster didn't exist until gen 5.
The only thing that this Pokemon has in this gen is not having any weaknesses
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: Raphetty on January 08, 2017, 22:15
And I've been using Smeargle to attack stuff in game with it's base Atk/SpA of 20, fact is stats don't matter too much in game as you can compensate with higher levels and stuff.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on January 08, 2017, 23:08
Shedinja is gimmicky. Get a Shiftry because they are fast and have some good moves.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 09, 2017, 07:24
I'm really running out of hoenn pokemon I'd like to use!

Kecleon or Hariyama?
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 09, 2017, 09:09
Keckleon is really gimmicky.  Use that.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 09, 2017, 16:11
So my team:

Shiftry
Spinda
Rayquaza
Whiscash
Camerupt

How about Dusclops? Or Glalie if I can get one?
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 09, 2017, 16:18
Dusclops is really good but doesn't get his evolution Dusknoir yet.  Glalie is evolved from Snorunt found in the ice cavern (at the bottom of Shoal Cave right before the 7th gym), and is, okay in this generation.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 09, 2017, 16:30
I'll get Dusclops, then!

Shiftry
Spinda
Rayquaza
Camerupt
Whiscash
Dusclops

EDIT: Not sure about Leaf Green.

I was going to have:

Charizard
Victreebel
Seaking
Raticate
Magneton

I'd probably have Dragonite or Kadabra or something.

But I'm thinking:

Get a Ninetales instead of Charizard and maybe get a Dragonite as my flying pokemon, but not sure if I could legit raise one!
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 09, 2017, 16:41
and maybe get a Dragonite as my flying pokemon, but not sure if I could legit raise one!

I raised one from the safari zone in Yellow without using Missingno.  All it takes is some grinding.
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: The name master on January 09, 2017, 17:27
I raised one from the safari zone in Yellow without using Missingno.  All it takes is some grinding.
Some grinding? You're talking 20 levels if I find a Dragonair at level 35!
Dusclops
Thinking about that! Gardevoir is available a lot earlier and is probably better I'm guessing?
Title: Re: Water Pokemon In Emerald?
Post by: MegaNerd14 on January 09, 2017, 18:46
Some grinding? You're talking 20 levels if I find a Dragonair at level 35!

I had to raise a Dratini from level 15 to level 47 to go take on Koga.