But honestly Samdyghast is one of the best Pokemon from this gen? If all other natural things in the Pokemon world are sentient when WHY NOT the sand??? It's ghost typing validates it & the shaping of a castle is like... a disguise but also like a shape that it can do things with? Literally would you rather it was just a pile of sand with a pure ground typing and nothing special or interesting about it seriously smhBut is sand (in a wierd shape or not) original? Do you think that that is thinking outside the box? To use natural objects?
But is sand (in a wierd shape or not) original? Do you think that that is thinking outside the box? To use natural objects?
I'm not a genwunner, but, we used to get dragons, dinosaurs and electric birdsbut also, in gen 1 we got a rock with buff arms, and seriously a pile of goo, some pokemon designs have always sucked, they arent getting worse as time goes on
(https://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/dragonite.jpg)(https://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/nidoking.jpg)
Now we're getting sandcastles, gears and lamps
(https://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/klink.jpg)(https://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/chandelure.jpg)
But is sand (in a wierd shape or not) original? Do you think that that is thinking outside the box? To use natural objects?
as much as I love Dragonite he looks like he's made of rubber and is a totally weird design.(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnSV9Vw4xE8w2Pi4qY4p8Y9tmxcHCakr2QJCxkaxBCe-1ZDwTYSA)
but also, in gen 1 we got a rock with buff arms, and seriously a pile of goo, some pokemon designs have always sucked, they arent getting worse as time goes onOK. So generation 1 wasn't completely, completely original! Ditto is understandable, though! Does it really need a well defined body when it can just transform into another pokemon?
I love Dragonite he looks like he's made of rubber and is a totally weird design.
if you don't like the new Pokemon and are making arguments like "this one is a lamp not a dinosaur, I don't like it" then you probably ARE a genwunner.
lets not forget the best gen 1 design, a yellow mouse with red cheeks. its like a gun skin in CS:GO, its dumb. tbh, gen 1 had probably some of the worst designs, but people just use cheap excuses like trubbish to make it seems like gen 1 didnt have the worst ones.
I think people like gen 1 because it had the most simplistic designs. Not knocking any of these, but to see what I mean compare Golem to Gigalith, Golbat to Swoobat, Machamp to Conkeldurr, Gengar to Chandelure (I chose gen I v V because V is the one that most obviously tried to draw parallels to gen I) - in each case you notice the Kanto one is more simplistic, generally being one main colour, perhaps with an accent colour, and just clean I guess? The Unova designs are a lot busier, generally with 2-3 colours, and in the case of Conkeldurr adding extra non-pokemon bits to it. Neither style is better than the other, at least not objectively, it comes purely down to preference. I mean, even comparing Garbodor and Muk, Garbodor is kind of overdesigned and Muk is probably underdesigned.??????????? gen 1 was simple bc game boys didn't have a lot of computing power or memory so they had to keep designs simple? with the CP and memory of this generations handhelds they can afford to make pokemon look more complex. before you go saying "but animals all look simple!!", yes, you get birds like blackbirds that are a solid colour and different colour for the beak, but then look at the peacock - multi coloured and ungainly, with a huge ass tail.
garbodor is supposed to look gross, its a fricking pile of garbageAre you talking about it's stats or it's appearance or both?
??????????? gen 1 was simple bc game boys didn't have a lot of computing power or memory so they had to keep designs simple? with the CP and memory of this generations handhelds they can afford to make pokemon look more complex. before you go saying "but animals all look simple!!", yes, you get birds like blackbirds that are a solid colour and different colour for the beak, but then look at the peacock - multi coloured and ungainly, with a huge ass tail.
i like new pokemon, i like """"overdesigned"""" pokemon cause they look unique.
also meet me in the pit garbodor is supposed to look gross, its a fricking pile of garbage
Nostalgia is certainly a factor, but by no means the only one, I know plenty of genwunners who didn't even start playing till gen IV+. I do agree that in most cases nostalgia is at least a significant factor though, and that cases where people genuinely think the designs are better are probably in a minority (although I'd guess a fairly large minority).Plenty is probably a huge minority. I'd be curious to talk to these people, not that I'm saying they don't exist but it's so weird.
I don't know if nostalgia is as responsible for the dislike of new Pokemon though - definitely a factor for some people but I think it's more just that the designs are very different. I guess some of it could even be that many gen 1 Pokémon are in /every game/ (Alakazam, Gengar, Golem, Golbat, Pikachu etc), and in my experience at least, those are people's favourites from that gen, so it's like some sort of positive reinforcement. The last point I'm making is a bit of overlap with nostalgia, but the first gen also only had 150 Pokémon - this made each individual Pokémon more memorable. Now there's upward of 800, and honestly I know I certainly find a lot of new ones forgettable. It's not even that I don't like them, but with 800+ Pokémon it's easy to forget them, and you tend to forget more recent ones just because you've had less exposure to them, which can make people think "oh, they're forgettable so obviously bad".
I didn't start with gen 1, it was actually 3 which is why I noted my preference of gen 3 could be biased on nostalgia, but tbh I think it's more that gen 3 covered a lot more of my favourite animals, and that I tend to forget other favourites like Lanturn aren't gen 3 >_>
the GB couldn't hold much memoryIf this was true, then couldn't they just use the snes? Those were still around at the time, weren't they? And they had better graphics and sound!
If this was true, then couldn't they just use the snes? Those were still around at the time, weren't they? And they had better graphics and sound!
i really liked marenie/toxapex
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gen II people you just can't trust cos they're weirdoes. who the hell actually likes gen II. gen II did have steelix and scizor and also the creepy unown radio channel tho which i rlly liked. they never developed on unown like ever.
If this was true, then couldn't they just use the snes? Those were still around at the time, weren't they? And they had better graphics and sound!
To simplify what i think sapphirerobin was saying, when you have two different things, people are going to prefer one over the other, and gen 1's designs are definitely different from a lot of the later ones. Sure, nostalgia is probably the main reason people prefer gen 1, but its likely that there are people who genuinely just prefer its sense of style.
The style of Gen 1 is overall not too different from Gen 2, and Gen 3 blends in but it uses much more complex concepts for its Pokemon.
gen III people are pretentious self-important melodramatics who took the pokemon mystery dungeon "you're the SPECIAL UNIQUE CHOSEN GIFTED ONE" thing a little too literally
I've yet to hear from those people. Nostalgia is indeed pretty strong though and not many people will comment on it beyond "it was a simpler time." The style of Gen 1 is overall not too different from Gen 2, and Gen 3 blends in but it uses much more complex concepts for its Pokemon.Generation 1 was OK, with it's ups and downs, not forgetting the limitations! I don't know whether it's because I haven't played much of it, but generation 2's pokemon sucked a bit (not completely, though!) Generation 3 was perfect! Not too simple and not too overcomplicated!
This is a good point actually - and I think the people who exclusively like gen 1 are almost always just nostalgic, as as you point out there's not a huge difference between 1, 2 & 3, certainly not to the extent you can massively prefer one over another (short of nostalgia or /possibly/ if you like really love 6-7 Pokémon from one which is what makes it your favourite I guess?), but certainly in my experience the people that prefer gen 1 but still like other gens (maybe not all other gens - I think almost everyone has an off-gen) tend to be less nostalgic and more on the design route.