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Misc => Random Randomness => Sports => Topic started by: the bread dragon on August 17, 2014, 03:46
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its about time for this, i figured
romo is coming back tonight iirc, cba to watch it though
ive been real disappointed with espns coverage of the preseason, I dont know whats going on or whos doin well
doesnt matter a /whole/ lot but still there seems to be nothing but little league baseball and the latest lebron soap opera on espn nowadays
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espn's coverage kinda sucks in general
our special teams look good, i didnt catch our first team offense but they looked good on the last two drives I saw them in.
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Well, Josh Gordon's out for the season.....
and we still suck. That's Cleveland for ya. On the bright side, the rookie LB out of Iowa is looking pretty good so far.
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weve got another tight end for when gronk goes down (again!! :']) at the cost of one of logan mankins, a very good guard
meh.
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So basically, like Sudfield.
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yep, pretty much /:
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Woah woah woah, wait. Stop the presses. Cleveland won? Taylor Gabriel (wearing my favorite number 18 btw) is looking like a good slot receiver for us, hopefully we don't cut him.
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It's a preseason game homie, if we went by preseason Ryan Leaf would be the second coming of Jesus and Peyton Manning would be a bust.
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>implying ryan leaf /isnt/ the second coming of jesus
raven, youre slipping
but in all seriousness i dont even know if the patriots have won at all because it doesnt matter a whole lot and i dont really pay much attention to it
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It's a preseason game homie
When you're a Cleveland fan, you'll take a win of any kind. Preseason is like the only time we're ever good.
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Ray Rice is a cretin
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I posted this in another thread on another forum and here's my reaction as a former fan of Ray Rice who honestly thought he could possibly make a hall of fame career after 2012:
I am now of the opinion that Ray Rice should be suspended for at least a year if not permanently following the release of the elevator video. Disgusting.
Worst part is how he (most likely) convinced his wife to severely twist the story and outright lie to the public, Harbaugh, and Goodell about how it was a mutual fight and how he hit her in retaliation to her going Solange-crazy on him. It was one sided and the most she did was slap him in retaliation to something he did.
In the very best case (ie this is an isolated incident) this is a very good reason why I don't drink (fear of losing control - Rice was intoxicated but if he decked her like that there were far more issues with their relationship) and it's a very good lesson to people everywhere about perception and your actions rippling across the media. (Which many athletes need). In the worst case (not isolated) there will be significant more attention to DV in the NFL (even if the intent is PR) and the girls family will watch the wife's family more closely or basically separate the two.
I feel for Rice (because really his life has been very very tough, bear in mind his mother worked a lot and his father was gunned down in a drive-by when he was a year old so he had no father figure growing up) but there is no excuse for that incident. He's no longer a Raven and I just hope we don't have to cut someone soon so we are under the cap for this because I don't want it to affect someone's life outside of his own.
It's painful to think about this too because all I have is memories of the set of runs and emotions of our various playoff runs from 2008-2012 and the magical 2012 season ("Hey diddle diddle Ray Rice up the middle") and now I can't really think about them anymore without being reminded of this.
The implications towards our cap space and towards the NFLPA (namely in Goodell being able to make penalties harsher as he sees fit, as well as going against HIS OWN change he made months ago - Ray's first time offense became indefinite instead of six weeks, meaning he's setting a precedent towards being able to do what he wants to players) are abhorrent and both these things have their hands tied with this.
And it is really really sad to hear about considering all of the charity he does around the area I grew up in and the inner city of Baltimore (like restless amounts of charity, not just PR charity) and hell he even got some initiatives passed, both in terms of laws and whatnot, against bullying. He has done legitimately a lot for this city and it makes it that much harder to see and absorb something like that.
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I think this shows just how much a person can tarnish their career by doing something so foolish; I mean of course there's going to be excuses for it but they still don't cover up the fact that it happened, especially with the twisting of the story.
It's happened a lot in sports, not just in a scenario like this, but I'd give some comparisons in a way to Lance Armstrong and how he had to step down from his charity stuff because he finally came clean about doping (after years and years of denying, he even had the courts on his side for accusations for it.
I don't really know about the suspension process and how that impacts teams and whatnot so I'm not going to comment on that specifically in Ray Rice's situation, but if that happened to a footballer over here I'd expect them to be banned from playing for a year at least, if not longer. What have they said; he's indefinitely suspended now is it (after the 2 game ban before)?
I hope at least from this there is more done to help protect players mentally and emotionally with dealing with the lives of being sportsmen because you see a lot of the time athletes (or celebrities in general, and actually every day people too) struggling with things and there's not enough done to help them. There's been a few extremities in football in Europe, I think back to Robert Enke and how he committed suicide because he couldn't cope with depression. I guess that's a whole 'nother topic for discussion though.
If anything though, this whole situation has got me thinking about sports and the mentality away from it is ^^;
Thinking about it these comparisons are kinda crap since I dunno, they should all be seen separately. Meh, cba to give rid of it all now xD
(btw in terms of actual football I'll probably post around Super Bowl season to get a gist of things because I usually try and watch that at least, best of luck to whatever teams you all support in here for the season)
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Yeah so suspensions are a game-by-game basis, and players are not allowed to report to training camp or contact coaches during their ban. It's regular season only; Ray Rice was playing a bit for preseason (but they benched him because they wanted his backups to get reps cause they'd be playing the first two games), and preseason are basically exhibition games for us where coaches get a feel for what their players are capable of outside of practice and in a real game situation (the rosters trim from 90 to 53 between preseason and regular season).
Though the thing about Lance is that I don't think he affected in area in nearly the same way as Rice, because Rice's efforts actually passed legislation if I'm recalling right and on top of that he's had a ton of summer camps that he himself has been there for and supervised and worked with kids. He wasn't just donating; he was giving kids experiences that he didn't have, because as I said Rice himself grew up without a father.
But as for his implications, I'm not going to go into the NFLPA stuff because it's a mess but teams can only spend a certain amount of money on players due to a salary cap and shared revenue, and any breaches of that results in fines and worse if not met. Rice's contract was structured in a way that if we cut him, we end up over the salary cap this year, and next year we have 9.75 million dollars counting against the salary cap and the year after we have 4.5 million counting against it. The top 48 contracts or so are the only ones that count towards it, so 4.5 million is either getting rid of a very good player or not being able to sign a very good player, and 9.75 is the same idea except times two (or even one really really good player), or hell it kills our ability to sign depth. That's basically 8% of our spending power on one player that won't even play for us. Unless we can find a way to opt out of the contract, his actions basically hindered the team greatly and probably prevented people from having jobs. On top of what being 2.5 million over this year means for us.
It's ridiculous.
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Holy cow that pre-season trim is massive, I thought it was only a small amount since I saw a lot of articles around for when Michael Sam got cut from the Rams D:
Man, that's impressive but at the same time it's so frustrating because of what he did. It's always so heartwarming to read about people taking time out to give back to people, especially in such a strong way as that. Damn =[
Ahh right, thanks for clearing that up for me (I knew about salary cap in a general perspective but I didn't realise some of the implications and whatnot), yeah I can understand that being such an annoyance. Whenever you're in a team that's heavily focused on tactics and strategy (which a lot, if not all of NFL is from what I can gather?) that can screw things up so much =/
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For reference to anyone still looking at this, here is the Baltimore perception of Ray Rice:
(http://i.imgur.com/6uBnkgn.png)
A bunch of parents' kids didn't get into a special camp he was hosting so they emailed him a lot of stuff that were bitter, filled with swear words, etc. This is how he responded (on facebook but still) and apparently this is not a PR guy who runs the page, it's Rice himself. (PR guy runs Flacco's page for comparison and it shows).
(http://i.imgur.com/4WAdX.jpg)
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I know that a lot of people were likely calling for R. Rice's head after this new part of it was released, but this seems excessive. Excuse my ignorance, but Roger Goodell was the one to set these new penalties in place for Domestic Violence (dubbed the Ray Rice rule), yet when the time comes, he completely ignores it. Seems kinda stupid to push for harsher penalties, then when you have to dole them out you completely ignore it. Still, this whole situation was one big mess and I hope everyone learns from this. Including me, who probably said something stupid when not meaning to. I wish the Ravens organization the best of luck this season as they recover from this.
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Here's hoping british people will appreciate this too.
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That ball went at least 65 yards through the air and it hit the target.
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If a(n Association) footballer pulled off a pass like that to send a striker in a 1v1 situation I would be applauding the crap out of it so yeah, I can appreciate that. Takes an incredible amount of skill to get it to land so far and specific like that
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Raven, if you have the time to even bother looking for some of Hoyer's throws across his body to Cameron from yesterday, that would be awesome.
I must say that it takes incredible skill to do that, and that's why I like Flacco so much. The only bad thing is we face him twice a year.
Cleveland and Baltimore blew up on Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay respectively. Cleveland winning 31-10 and Baltimore over Tampa 48-17. Flacco threw 5 TD's in 16 minutes for the Ravens while Cleveland keeps Pittsburgh out of the endzone until the last quarter and Cameron has 3 catches, 100+ yards and a TD.
Absolutely nuts.
Edit: Found out that Alex Mack will need leg surgery and could miss the rest of the season. :(
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Yeah his passes to Cameron were good (I saw those too), but they weren't 65 yards in the air for a TD good.
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^You have me there. If he did that against Cleveland.... *Shudders* Then again, we actually have a secondary.
Alex Mack update: Leg surgery is needed. He's likely out for the season
Armonty Bryant update: Out for the season (knee)
Victor Cruz update: Out for the season (leg I think)
Patrick Willis Update: Out (not sure of time or injury)
Those are the injuries I have heard of, not including the concussion suffered by a Corner for my team. I can't remember his name for the life of me, but man is he good.
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pats lost their middle linebacker :C
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Meanwhile, Raven's got everyone healthy, as far as we know. Why are everyone's players dropping faster than (for the lack of a better analogy) fleas in dawn dish soap?
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Our LT Eugene Monroe is out for a few weeks, the jury is out on Webb because he may have re-aggravated an injury against the Buccs, Marlon Brown is on and off, Asa Jackson (our #3 corner) is on IR. Kelechi Osmele, our LG, was out last week due to injury but should be back.
Will Hill comes back from his suspension. Exciting.
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We're running out of D-linemen over here in Cleveland. I think we have 3 injured, including Armonty.
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Football fans who were watching SNF, we are witnesses to history. Peyton Manning is now the all time leader in passing touchdowns.
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I honestly knew that last night was the night for him to break the record. Congrats to the big guy.
Yesterday's Cleveland game was a huge disappointment. Without Mack, our O-Line has a huge hole and it shows.
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yeah last year the Ravens had by far the worst center in the league and our line was miserable. I doubt your new center will be as bad as ours was, though.
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meh i missed him break it, probably fell asleep by that point
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Whelp, Cleveland's last in the AFC North. All is right with the world.
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if we lose this game i may cry
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Terrance West comes up with the huge (arguably the block of the year) and crushes a linebacker, and pretty much saves Hoyer, who throws a TD to a wide open Taylor Gabriel. Gipson gets his 6th pick and Donte (W)hitner gets one of his own and I think he forced fumble. Browns improve to 5-3
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I am so happy about the Steelers getting murdered by the Jets today. It gave us this gem too:
(http://i.imgur.com/V8SELMZ.gif)
Anyway, a desperately needed bye week for the Ravens.
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Well, with a little help from the jets, Cleveland leads the AFC North. I'll enjoy it for now because it likely won't last.
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Palmer tore his ACL. Fingers crossed that Stanton can lead them to the promised land.
Very good article on Palmer's career leading up to last year's first Seahawks game (where they got crushed) (http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-carson-palmer/)
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^Hope that he comes back healthy and ready to play next season. Best of luck to Carson.
Well, Pettine says that he's gonna make Gordon work his way back onto the roster. I honestly like this idea, because our WR corps atm (the one that was called a patchwork job at the beginning of the season) have beenn working their back ends off, and they've done a good job.
Thoughts?
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Throwing out some random Ravens offense stats today;
Justin Tucker hit a 55 yarder like it was nothing for one thing. Straight through the middle and would still be good from the 60.
Forsett - 22 carries, 183 yards, 2 TDs. That's 8.3 ypc.
Joe Flacco - 18/24, 243 yards, 1 TD. That's over 10 YPA. 120.6 passer rating.
And Torrey Smith I think had like 60 YAC which is unheard of from him. He rarely gets YAC.
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After a stressful day with 3 picks thrown, and the Defense and Crowell basically keeping him afloat, Hoyer is clutch. On the final drive (during of which, I was screaming at my TV), #6 is 4-7 and 61 yards, with Cundiff kicking the game winning FG.
Also, something cool (for you AFC north fans): The AFC north atm is the only division to have ever had all of their teams at least 3 games above .500
However, the polar opposite in the NFC south, they are the only division to have ever had all of their teams 3 games below .500
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Also the NFC South compared to the 2010 NFC West (who sent the 7-9 Seahawks to the playoffs):
1. Falcons (4-7)
2. Saints (4-7)
3. Panthers (3-7-1)
4. Buccaneers (2-9)
The 2010 NFC West by this point:
1. Seahawks (5-6)
2. Rams (5-6)
3. 49ers (4-7)
4. Cardinals (3-9)
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I have friends who are Falcon and Saint fans. This is beautiful! When people say that the Browns suck, I remind them of the NFC south. The topic is dropped quickly.
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pats have nothing to worry about
feel for all the fantasy guys picking up jonas gray after he had a great game
and then he doesnt play lol
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^I know.
Anyways, I was thinking during the Ohio State game today about the Browns drafting a certain WR, his name is Devin Smith. This guy is a terrifying deep threat, his catches, although fewer than most, are on average about 40 yards iirc. Imagine him on the opposite side of the field as Gordon, then put Gabriel in the slot. I know that Smith is not as good as Watkins, but man is he fast.
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super bowl
super bowl
gotta have me my super bowl
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when i saw that a small tear came to my eye where i thought, "i cannot wait until muhed sees this"
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oh naw i'm just hoping the seahawks take it. Once the Broncos got knocked out it was a foregone conclusion, I could stop the run about as well as the Colts.
EDIT: Liz you don't even know who #77 is!
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EDIT: Liz you don't even know who #77 is!
he's our offensive tackler. which only makes things better.
edit: apparently the patriots have been accused by the NFL for cheating by using a deflated ball in the game. They're still doing followups on it, but personally, I think if we were gonna cheat, we'd take the risk on someone a bit more difficult than the Colts.
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Balls get deflated in the cold anyway. That's gonna get blown.
Offensive tackler? pfft. That's Nate Solder, your left tackle, he's not a "tackler", he's basically an exterior guard.
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I want New England to win the Super Bowl because the Seahawks knocked the Packers, my original SB pick, out by winning the NFC champs.
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new england did not knock out the packers, nor are they in the NFC
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Whoops, forgot to put Seahawks, because I knew what I meant, but you guys probably don't. ^^;
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I'm gonna be so deflated if the Pats don't win.
Same way I get deflated whenever the Bruins eff up a two goal lead.
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I'm so mad that's actually a scandal. The only people taking it seriously are the media and the NFL are just responding to the media (and encouraging it). Coaches and players currently in the league don't give a flying crap.
People for some reason don't acknowledge that the second half of the Pats-Colts game used the proper balls and Brady played better in the second half than the first. It's the biggest non issue ever. Not unlike spygate.
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What annoys me the most about the whole DeflateGate thing is that Ray Rice KO'd his girlfriend in an elevator, caught on tape and everything, and potentially deflated fooballs are still apparently a bigger deal in the eyes of the media.
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Okay, as a Ravens fan, I will tell you that deflategate hasn't caused nearly as much of a stir as Ray Rice did.
What's crazier though is that Ray Rice's thing was considered a bigger deal than Aaron Hernandez.
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^ I just made the observation because my university always has the news on in the dining area, and almost every time I go to eat I see them doing a story on the deflated football. I've seen it at least once a day without fail since the game. Up here I only saw them talk about Ray Rice on ESPN and I believe twice on the news.
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Probably because you live in New England. I wasn't living in Baltimore for the Ray Rice thing (well not the second half of it), but when you have a ton of talking heads calling for the commissioners head over the elevator tape, then it's a much bigger story. On top of that, the Ray Rice thing happened in like March initially, so there was basically an entire offseason to take it in, whilst the deflategate thing happened before the Super Bowl whose result is going to easily trump this joke of a scandal.
fyi /r/nfl is part of the media, and there is no deflategate megathread. There were MULTIPLE Ray Rice and even Adrian Peterson megathreads. Those were definitely a much bigger deal than deflategate.
EDIT: TO ADD TO THAT... you also didn't get numerous women's rights groups and everything involved with the investigation, saying that Rice should not have gotten 2 games but way more instead... and on top of that you also didn't see the commissioner backing out of his own proposition and instead of increasing the suspension to six games he indefinitely suspended Rice based on the same evidence he suspended Rice for 2 games, then trying to lie his way out of it. This was a major issue with respect to the NFLPA.
This flimsy scandal is really nothing compared to what happened with Ray Rice.
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feels like with the way espn is going at it, if new england wins than its going to be completely tainted in their eyes. wish those guys had half of a brain lol
also josh gordon fails another drug test, keep it up your team doesn't need you or anything
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I think we should wash our hands of Josh Gordon. I know he's talented and all, but he's been more trouble than he's worth. We need to draft someone and cut Gordon.
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Seattle will win again
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I'm pulling for New England, mainly because I don't like Seattle anymore because everyone's bandwagoning on the them and the 12th man thing. It was probably there before, but now it's just crazy.
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Seattle will win again
let us hope
o/u on what time reddit first crashes, i'm guessing 7 EST
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someone hold me
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Super Bowl was insane. Hats off to the Patriots.
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I lasted until 1am with Radio 5 live coverage of the Super Bowl (not too long after Patriots got the first touchdown). Woke up to find that said Patriots won. Fair game, best team won I suppose ^^
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Haha, you missed the ending! The ending was so god damn ridiculous and also infuriating. Massive choke, and a fight broke out.
Bruce Irvin made history as the first player ejected from a Super Bowl.
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I woke up to the result that the Pats had won. I'd stay up to watch it but I find televised American Football to be frustrating to watch. Thirty seconds of play followed by people dissecting that thirty seconds for about ten minutes.
Or maybe I'm too used to English Football being 45 minutes of flow.
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There's a flow to the game, but the plays are like 10 seconds and theres a 40 second playclock so instead of televising players entering and exiting the huddle, waiting for the playcall, they dissect the play that just happened unless there isn't a huddle. They try to immediately cut to the formations if possible so the audience has an idea of whats going on presnap. It would be terrible if there wasn't a play breakdown, and the play breakdowns themselves are interesting because you tend to lose a lot of the game from the angle you watch it on TV.
Watching it at the game you can see the play develop better, but it's nowhere near as bad as you're thinking. The flow of NFL is smooth but very different, and the best comparison is a turn based game (or a chess match) where teams are trading possessions instead of turns... I'm sure you already understand that, but you're downplaying the game a lot like most Europeans do.
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I'm not downplaying it- I do like American Football I think because of the way sports are televised here it's just not what we're used to. The closest thing I can think of is the broadcasts of the cricket. At the end of every six balls (every 'over') they change ends and do their little analysis bit. This isn't really helped by the fact cricket is BORING AS HELL.
When it's shown on the BBC though it's great. No adverts for the same product over and over again and they help people new to the sport understand it better.
Next time the Pats are at Wembley I might try and go. It's definitely a sport I'd enjoy more while there than watching on the telly.
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Yay patriots! The win breaks my 2 year losing streak to my brother. However, anyone else see that guy in the patriots secondary trip Lockette (I think it was lockette) on that pass? That was shady as heck.
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Told you the Patriots would win ^^;
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Haha, you missed the ending! The ending was so god damn ridiculous and also infuriating. Massive choke, and a fight broke out.
I know, I saw the pick at the end I was yelling at the TV to give MVP to that guy.
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Yay patriots! The win breaks my 2 year losing streak to my brother. However, anyone else see that guy in the patriots secondary trip Lockette (I think it was lockette) on that pass? That was shady as heck.
That happens a lot - looks like incidental contact but the DB tried to get away with one to prevent a completion that couldn't been six if he was hit in stride. Overall probably the worst case scenario is you don't surrender a ton of yards and get a PI right there, but the best case scenario happened.
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I missed a lot though so yeah [D
Heard it was pretty dramatic towards the end, but oh well. Suppose I'll have to keep in check with NFL more, I'm getting more interested in it Oo
inb4 I settle back to soccer and forget that the NFL exists.
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I'm still in denial over Kearse's catch was tipped in the air, bobbled off his legs and body and he caught it.
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i think it was mccourty that jumped over him, wish he had just kicked it away oh dear
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Throwing the ball that close to the end zone to win the game? He was just asking for it.
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They kinda did, didn't they? Lockette actually had a good chance to catch it, but Malcom Butler just made a play on the ball.
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If Wilson throws it sooner then the Patriots would be trying to make a comeback. He released it a little too late and Lockette didn't go for it strong enough. He pulled a Lee Evans and assumed he caught it before he kept it in control.
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butler still made a good play on that idc what anyone says lol
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Well, Shady McCoy was traded to the Bills for Linebacker Kiko Alonso. Thoughts?