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Title: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 26, 2013, 02:55
Here, you can talk about the upcoming NFL season. Right now, all I can say is, my favorite team, Cleveland, is going to 6 wins tops.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on August 26, 2013, 05:58
Ravens look ridiculous this season

Clark/Furstenburg/Dickson/Bajema on TE
McKinnie (LT)/Osemele (LG)/Gradkowski (C)/Yanda (RG)/Oher (RT) (Oher's the weakest by a longshot, and he's the only question mark here but we survived with him)
Torrey Smith X, Stokely Z, Marlon Brown Slot, Jacoby PR/KR and depth
Rice (RB), Pierce (RB), Leach (FB), Juzczyck (HB)
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOE FLACCO

And I'm not gonna get started on our defense.  Ngata, Webb, Suggs are healthy, Dumervil/Ihedigbo or Elam/Huff are upgrades at their positions, and then we have Canty and some fresh MLB talent.  Graham will be a CB again and Jimmy Smith is okay.  Our Dline and Linebackers are great and quick and can put pressure on a team all day

Hooooly crap this season will be great
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 26, 2013, 20:59
Probably, but you lost Lewis (retired), Reed (Texans), and others. The division is still yours, though. And the Browns once again, don't stand a chance. Oh well.

Texans take AFC south. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on August 26, 2013, 21:27
Ray Lewis is probably our biggest loss.  Dude was slower than he used to be but he's still one of the smartest ILB/MLBs in the history of the sport.  Ed Reed was the smartest FS but he whiffed too many tackles despite his intellect, and he always played with a broken something at all times.  Reed was not that big a loss because we drafted an SS and our CBs are revitalized (along with a generally faster set of linebackers).  Bengals can put up a strong fight, Browns may or may not be troublesome, and the Steelers are on a smooth decline due to contracts and age.

Colts have a decent shot of grabbing a wild card and the Titans have a good defense/running game with Trent Dilfer levels of play from the offense.  Historically this was a good mix in 2000...  And the Jaguars are in rebuilding mode but Gabbert was looking amazing in a preseason game earlier.  But that was preseason.  Andrew Luck also has a better offensive system to adapt to and all the rookies on his offense are no longer rookies either.  But Texans are far more balanced.  I still see them going far and messing up in the playoffs though.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 26, 2013, 21:48
Yes, the Texans seem to always screw up in the playoffs, like the falcons.

The Titans go around 6-10, again.

The Colts will absolutely get the wild card, the Bengals get the other. My team (The Browns), don't really stand a chance. The Steelers do not have much left, but the Bengels, may beat you one game, not both.

Well, we all know who gets AFC West.

AFC East, Pats, although, they are starting to age.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on August 26, 2013, 22:04
Yes, the Texans seem to always screw up in the playoffs, like the falcons.
Nope their secondary last year was just abysmal against New England.  NE's Oline is too good and Texans D-line can't break past it in time for Brady to find a good target.  Matt Schaub is also an above average QB that is more or less a serviceable starter.  But this team currently doesn't feel a force; it kinda feels like 2012 where they don't consistently play incredibly well.  We will see how they turn out.

Falcons have had so much bad luck in the playoffs.  The fact they made it to the NFCCG and the fact that the defense could not hold the 9ers on top of just a bunch of general bad luck (and a much stronger conference) really shows they don't choke or whatever.  Just shows they have bad luck.

Also doesn't help they're a passing team that has bowed out to the Giants in the playoffs in 2011 (in the playoffs their pass rush is unstoppable, which is why Brady seems like he chokes in the Super Bowl but in reality he just can't do much when he's getting attacked constantly).  2008 was Ryan's rookie year where he lost to a Warner-led Cardinals team.  The same Cardinals that went to the Super Bowl the year prior, for the record.  2009 was a 9-7 year where they didn't quality for playoffs.  2010 was a 13-3 year where they lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champions.  I'd hardly call that choking.

Part of the reason Texans blew the playoffs in the divisional round in 2011 was that Schaub wasn't playing, and instead they had to start a QB whose name I don't remember but he notoriously blew.  In 2012, they went against the Pats against who they were blown out towards the end of the regular season earlier in the year.

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The Colts will absolutely get the wild card, the Bengals get the other. My team (The Browns), don't really stand a chance. The Steelers do not have much left, but the Bengels, may beat you one game, not both.
Something I almost doubt.  I don't feel Andy Dalton can be that much better than Schaub at this point in time.  Bengals in my mind are like the AFC North's Texans, where they're pretty good on defense but not particularly stacked like other teams are.  Colts could have a losing record but they may still be better than last year's team who got into the WC through magic fairy luck and prayer or something ridiculous.  They may still get WC depending on how bad the rest of the conference is

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AFC East, Pats, although, they are starting to age.
Pats will dominate for the next 5 years.  They will make the Super Bowl maybe once more before Tom Brady retires and that's about it, though.  Afterwards it could be the Dolphins taking over again, or the Pats and some QB they draft in a few years with Tom Brady's level of dedication.

Can you post in a lot more detail and take time to analyze things before you start spewing out one-sentence points?  Only 2 teams make it to the Super Bowl and 4 make it to the conference championships, so that's effectively 8 teams that screw up in the playoffs.  The playoff atmosphere changes every single year, so nothing is ever set in stone.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 26, 2013, 22:21
Part of the reason Texans blew the playoffs in the divisional round in 2011 was that Schaub wasn't playing, and instead they had to start a QB whose name I don't remember but he notoriously blew.  In 2012, they went against the Pats against who they were blown out towards the end of the regular season earlier in the year.
Something I almost doubt.  I don't feel Andy Dalton can be that much better than Schaub at this point in time.  Bengals in my mind are like the AFC North's Texans, where they're pretty good on defense but not particularly stacked like other teams are.  Colts could have a losing record but they may still be better than last year's team who got into the WC through magic fairy luck and prayer or something ridiculous.  They may still get WC depending on how bad the rest of the conference is

Alright, first, I meant against the Ravens. My bad.


Falcons have had so much bad luck in the playoffs.  The fact they made it to the NFCCG and the fact that the defense could not hold the 9ers on top of just a bunch of general bad luck (and a much stronger conference) really shows they don't choke or whatever.  Just shows they have bad luck.

Also doesn't help they're a passing team that has bowed out to the Giants in the playoffs in 2011 (in the playoffs their pass rush is unstoppable, which is why Brady seems like he chokes in the Super Bowl but in reality he just can't do much when he's getting attacked constantly).  2008 was Ryan's rookie year where he lost to a Warner-led Cardinals team.  The same Cardinals that went to the Super Bowl the year prior, for the record.  2009 was a 9-7 year where they didn't quality for playoffs.  2010 was a 13-3 year where they lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champions.  I'd hardly call that choking.

Second, I know what happens in the playoffs to both teams. The Texans may get to the AFCCG, but fall to either the Pat or the Ravens. But it seems more likely that it will be like last years, Pats being slaughtered be the Ravens. Also, the Falcons always seem to have bad match-ups, I know that. However, I've seen them win tougher games in regular season, and I know you're going to say, "The post season is tougher than the regular season." and so on and so forth. I get that point, but the 49ers were a tough matchup, I give them that, and I like that the Falcons almost won that game.

Only 2 teams make it to the Super Bowl and 4 make it to the conference championships, so that's effectively 8 teams that screw up in the playoffs.  The playoff atmosphere changes every single year, so nothing is ever set in stone.

I also know that, but last season is the first playoff win with Ryan. Before that, they seemed to lose easier matchups. I also know how the tourney style works for the playoffs.

Can you post in a lot more detail and take time to analyze things before you start spewing out one-sentence points? 

I would, but no matter what, I always seem to be wrong. Hmmmm.... I wonder why? :dry:
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on August 26, 2013, 22:32
Alright, first, I meant against the Ravens. My bad.
I know.  Bengals are pushing to win the division and who knows what will happen from there.  Finishing second means they go against the Colts and Chargers which can be tough matchups too.  :/

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Second, I know what happens in the playoffs to both teams. The Texans may get to the AFCCG, but fall to either the Pat or the Ravens. But it seems more likely that it will be like last years, Pats being slaughtered be the Ravens. Also, the Falcons always seem to have bad match-ups, I know that. However, I've seen them win tougher games in regular season, and I know you're going to say, "The post season is tougher than the regular season." and so on and so forth. I get that point, but the 49ers were a tough matchup, I give them that, and I like that the Falcons almost won that game.

I also know that, but last season is the first playoff win with Ryan. Before that, they seemed to lose easier matchups. I also know how the tourney style works for the playoffs.
I'm not sure how the Pats will do against the Ravens this time.  I think the power is shifting towards the Ravens in that matchup because now we have the offense to take advantage of the turnovers our defense gets against Brady.  But our cast of MLBs may not be as smart as Ray Lewis was, because I'm not sure if they could adjust formation enough to counteract whatever Brady's about to do.  The D-line could have the speed to fluster Brady again, and Webb and our secondary are much faster even though they're not Ed Reed-esque and are a little more like to be picked apart.  (I'm surprised people still feared him last year).

What tougher games did they win in the regular season?  Their 3 losses came from their division, and everyone in their division save the Falcons went 7-9.  Their schedule was not that bad.  They also went 13-3 twice in Matt Ryan and their HC's tenure, but they made it to at least the divisional round when that happened.

Ryan doesn't win these games btw.  The team does.  The fact is that their defense is that lame "Bend but don't break" type that allows points on the board but mainly goes for turnovers is an issue, and the fact that the 49ers came back from a deficit and picked apart their defense is a result of their scheme ultimately.

A good book for you to read is called "Keep Your Eye Off The Ball."  Will really open your eyes to how the game works in terms of the strategy involved and all that, and why you see weirdness like 49ers comebacks in the third quarter and things to that extent.  What makes QBs and WRs elite and all of that stuff.  It's pretty great.



At any rate the point was ultimately to think critically instead of spitting out the same lines you see in the media.  Falcons continuing to "choke" in the playoffs is dumb as anything because only 4 teams can ever have a shot at winning any sort of trophy and only 8 teams can win divisions with only 4 teams having a first-round bye.  And the fact that reaching the divisional round via first-round bye doesn't count as a playoff win or doesn't count for anything is incredibly stupid, too.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 26, 2013, 22:38
Ryan doesn't win these games btw.  The team does.  The fact is that their defense is that lame "Bend but don't break" type that allows points on the board but mainly goes for turnovers is an issue, and the fact that the 49ers came back from a deficit and picked apart their defense is a result of their scheme ultimately.

I know Ryan does just win the games, I meant the first playoff win with Ryan on the team. That defense style is a problem, isn't it? They have the players, but that kind of defense isn't gonna cut it. Their offense is good, with players like Jones, Gonzolez (Who is in his last season), and others, the offense seems good.

And thanks for the recommendation. I'll see if I can.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on August 26, 2013, 22:50
That kind of defense *can* cut it but the other part is the way the WCO works which ultimately caused the Falcons to lose (and it almost got the better of the Ravens - thankfully they were so afraid of our Red Zone Defense that they passed for 3 plays straight because Gore was not going to break past our line).  They run one game plan for the first 15-20 snaps and don't deviate from it even if it's not working.  They adjust it formally after those 15-20 snaps because by then they have diagnosed the defense properly.  Which is why you see these ridiculous comebacks by the 49ers at times.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 26, 2013, 23:18
Oh, thanks. God, I need to find that book.

So, what are your predictions for the NFC division winners? Please, after you make the predictions, we can go into an argument a discussion about it.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on August 28, 2013, 21:00
NFC South - Toss up between New Orleans and Atlanta with Tampa Bay and Carolina able to give them some trouble.  New Orleans and Atlanta have very similar offensive styles but Atlanta is less extreme than New Orleans.  Atlanta's defense is quite a bit stronger but its offense is not quite as strong (but both do have very strong offenses and average-below average defenses).  Their schedules are about the same difficulty (only differences are that Atlanta is up against Green Bay and Washington whereas New Orleans is up against Minnesota and New York) so it's a toss-up.

NFC North - Green Bay or Detroit's division.  Minnesota squeezed their way into the playoffs last year over Chicago, and Minnesota have a QB with great intellect but terrible aiming skills and other terrible qualities in general that place their QB situation in peril.  Chicago have a new coach and staff so it can take a little while to get used to them, and Cutler still gets stymied and sacked constantly.  Their defense is younger but has lost a step generally, and their HC is Marc Trestman who worked well with CFL offenses and their defense may not run as well as last year.  Detroit and Green Bay both have explosive offenses that added many, many new pieces (in the form of RBs and healthy WRs) and they are already set with what they've got.  Detroit is almost at Green Bay's offensive levels but Detroit's defense is quite a bit better right now.

NFC West - Seattle or San Francisco.  Arizona and St. Louis will give them lots of trouble, and SF never won against STL last year (tied once and lost another time).  Arizona was a powerhouse in the division until they lost Kolb, and then their QBs after Kolb combined for 3 TDs and 18 Ints the rest of the game.  In fact it was statistically shown that it was better for them to Punt than continue giving Jonathan Skelley the ball.  Now, Carson Palmer is their QB so they could make an 8-8 season if they're good, and they can give many teams trouble because their defense was absolutely ridiculous last season.  STL is the same way but not as extreme; Bradford has things to throw to (as opposed to quality receivers having no one to throw to them) and their defense is generally good.

NFC East - I don't care who wins this division and frankly they can all go screw themselves.  Maybe the Giants are okay but I hate the other teams with a passion.  I don't care to predict this and nothing I will say is about to be accurate because this is perhaps the most inconsistent division in football.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 28, 2013, 21:05
Once again you're right about them all. Especially the NFC east being inconsistent. There, I'd say New York or Washington.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on August 29, 2013, 14:01
except Dallas and Philadelphia will always make a solid push to get into the playoffs no matter what.  Philadelphia collapsed last year early on, but now they have a new HC that is turning their offense into a really weird, unconventional and fast paced offense that maybe they could use Vick's strengths to utilize.  Vick just needs to stop fumbling.

Last year, New York/Washington/Dallas came down to the wire.  Washington went 10-6, New York 9-7, and Dallas 8-8 and they were all in the running for the playoffs up until the last game last year.  This year all three teams are not that much different than last year so I don't expect much less of a difference in controversy and the final push to the playoffs.  Add to that how Philadelphia could be really good and how unpredictable all of their intra-divisional games are (remember, it was only 3 years ago that Philly knocked New York out of the playoffs by going from 31-10 to 38-31 in 7 minutes).
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 29, 2013, 20:20
That is true, so, it's anyone's game. I have no idea, so much for a prediction....
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Mr. Apple on September 06, 2013, 12:29
broncos > all

manning got 7 tds and i didnt start him in my fantasy league
oh well
stunning performance, 7 tds, 0 ints, blew the ravens out last night
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on September 06, 2013, 14:44
0_0

Woah, Lord Raven will not be happy about this. I would've watched it but I was at my HS's football game.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Mr. Apple on September 06, 2013, 20:50
yeah, his QBR was about 1 million
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on September 06, 2013, 21:00
If someone wants me to tell you why this happened and why like only 20% of it is the Ravens fault (and why this probably won't represent our season coming up) then remind me to type of a rant later.  It's very interesting and freak accidents like this won't really happen again this season (ideally).
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on September 06, 2013, 21:03
^ As long as you don't come up with another of your famous rants to use on me, fire away.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Mr. Apple on September 07, 2013, 00:32
we know it wasnt much the ravens fault, the broncos are just THAT good. welker, thomas, decker, and manning is gonna be tough to beat, and i dont think anyone stands much of a chance

swami sez brown win this weekend  :p
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on September 07, 2013, 00:48
Nope, because the score was 17-14 going into halftime and we lost one of our receivers and a right tackle going into the third quarter.  The implications of this lead to the rest of the game.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on September 07, 2013, 01:42
Huh, for the last 2 seasons, the super bowl champs lost their first game.

I like the way Swami thinks, by the way.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Mr. Apple on September 09, 2013, 13:16
boldin seems to have made the right choice moving to sf, about half of kaepernick's yards through the air were to him, they'll be good with crabtree back
we get to see chip kelly tonight, i'm curious to see how he does
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on September 09, 2013, 20:27
Dammit, browns lost, 23-10.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Mr. Apple on September 18, 2013, 21:18
RGIII seems underwhelming in the first 2 weeks, redskins are 0-2 maybe he's not really 100% like he said he was? i didnt expect him to come back so early, and frankly no one did either. i think he was rushing himself and maybe the knee isnt what we think it is.

seahawks are going undefeated at home this season it would seem, and if they have home field advantage throughout the playoffs, we could see the hawks in new york!

btw bruno mars at halftime :(
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on September 19, 2013, 01:17
I saw a post in this thread and expected someone to bring up the Trent Richardson news.  I'm about to come out disappointed.

Also, the only solution for RG3 is to keep him in and have him continue to play.  He'll get used to it, and pulling him out is bad for the long term because they need him to break past the mental block he has to playing the game.  Which he will do in some time, but I don't particularly care anyway since RG3 is my least favorite new starter from last year by far.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on September 19, 2013, 01:37
Richardson traded, these goes half the offense.

Kidding, but he was a good player, at least we got a first round draft pick of it.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Mr. Apple on September 19, 2013, 13:11
I saw a post in this thread and expected someone to bring up the Trent Richardson news.  I'm about to come out disappointed.
i hadnt heard,  sorry haha

no chance for the browns anymore, not quite sure what theyre doing. richardson is most of their offense and he's gone
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on September 19, 2013, 20:51
Not happy about this at all ^
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Mr. Apple on September 20, 2013, 13:14
is it too early to jump on the chiefs' bandwagon? no turnovers in 3 weeks, seems legit
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on September 20, 2013, 16:02
you should never jump on any bandwagon
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Mr. Apple on September 21, 2013, 02:04
you should always jump on every bandwagon
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on September 21, 2013, 17:36
I'm on the brown's very small bandwagon.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Mr. Apple on November 19, 2013, 12:10
soo anyone see the pile of bullcrap that happened last night on the last play of the pats @ panthers game? nfl referees are idiots
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on November 19, 2013, 21:16
please describe how it was bullcrap lol, if you watch it closely enough Gronk wasn't able to make a play on the ball
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on November 19, 2013, 21:19
Raven, I'm surprised the Bears won.

Sorry that I'm off topic. Anyways, I didn't see the game last night, who won?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on November 19, 2013, 21:32
seems the apple guy wont be telling you how it was bullcrap, ill try my best to replace him?

its hard to make a play on anything when youve been pushed back a few yards, which is blatantly defensive pass interference.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOiskmMPgql3nk9c9y2B1u1cjVbjMnhITJEvntORkvdkSoXzhUXQ)

if that isnt pass interference, i dunno what is.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on November 19, 2013, 21:35
Well it may be, likely is.

However, if is isn't PI, it's likely because the guy turned around and could see the ball already.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on November 19, 2013, 21:55
seems the apple guy wont be telling you how it was bullcrap, ill try my best to replace him?

its hard to make a play on anything when youve been pushed back a few yards, which is blatantly defensive pass interference.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOiskmMPgql3nk9c9y2B1u1cjVbjMnhITJEvntORkvdkSoXzhUXQ)

if that isnt pass interference, i dunno what is.
The ball landed way in front of him, and Gronk was turning around like he was planting to catch it.  There was no way it would be repeated.

You're telling me the best tight end in football right now can't push away an MLB that's like 4 inches shorter than him?  Give me a break.  And if he were to keep going, then he'd probably interfere in the defender that WASNT holding him, so it would be OPI.  It was a good no-call, and most refs are good about acknowledging they blow calls sometimes but this is one they've felt confidently about.

Raven, I'm surprised the Bears won.
smdh one bad snap away from scoring a touchdown with 10 seconds left.  Forreal, if that snap weren't so low and if we tried to pass it three times instead of running it in, we'd have won that game easily.  And if Tandon Doss didn't drop it on third down, and instead of punting we went for it, and they didn't put one CB on Martellus Bennett (really?  our tallest corner is like 5'10" or something) then we would not have lost that game.  Hoping for a bounceback against the jets.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on November 19, 2013, 21:57
Raven, the Jets?

Shouldn't be too hard. We've got the Steelers going up.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on November 19, 2013, 22:18
luke keuchly probably not how to spell it but you get the idea is one of, or arguably the best middle lb in the league. hes no pushover. 235 isnt too much, but its not easy im sure.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on November 19, 2013, 22:40
A tight end was primarily a guy with the blocking ability of a full back with the hands/athleticism of a wide receiver, meaning that they have to be incredibly strong.  Gronk is actually incredibly strong and he's one of the best blockers in the league for Tight Ends (contrast to Jimmy Graham and Julius Thomas, who are amazing receivers but they cannot block worth a damn).  He makes a living off of manhandling linebackers and linemen if he needs to.  He is *definitely* able to fight off Luke Kuechly, regardless of whether or not Luke is one of the best linebackers in the league.  At least a little bit, because the way it looked Gronk kept moving backwards and the ball was underthrown by at least 5 yards or Gronk stopped and somehow didn't even move forward.  In other words, it didn't look like Gronk was playing the ball correctly at all.

Either way, I can't see a single way in which that penalty gets overturned because I don't think they'll put that time back on the clock; it was definitely iffy with a ton of different possible results (for instance, Gronk was double covered on an overthrown ball where another receiver was likely to get it) if the supposed holding didn't happen, so the safe route was to call the game over because time had run out anyway.

Raven, the Jets?

Shouldn't be too hard. We've got the Steelers going up.
The same Jets that beat the Patriots and the Saints?  Okay.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on November 19, 2013, 22:50
The same Jets that beat the Patriots and the Saints?  Okay.

Wait, what? God, I need to pay attention to mare teams than Cleveland.

Speaking of Cleveland, they were good when Hoyer played.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on November 19, 2013, 22:50
jets have had a pattern with wins and losses this year, one week win, next week loss, week 3 win, week 4 loss, so on. they beat the ravens if the 'trend' continues, as they lost last week.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on November 19, 2013, 22:54
That would make sense.

Your opinion on Hoyer?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on November 19, 2013, 22:56
i havent payed attention to browns football because GAH THEIR LOGO IS AN ORANGE HELMET
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on November 19, 2013, 22:59
Games Hoyer started: Weeks 3-5

Games won where he started: 3
Games won where he didn't start: 1
Games lost with Hoyer starting: 0
Games lost without Hoyer starting: 6

Hoyer tore an ACL against the Bills and is out for the season. Curses/
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on November 20, 2013, 02:08
That would make sense.

Your opinion on Hoyer?
Played all of two and a half games, and is probably better than Campbell but Campbell's exactly the type of QB a team like the Browns needs.  Checks down, is capable of putting together incredibly length drives to keep their defense off the field, and is generally a good game manager.  Hoyer can make plays and progress through reads quickly, on top of being a byproduct of New England and its backups, so idk.

jets have had a pattern with wins and losses this year, one week win, next week loss, week 3 win, week 4 loss, so on. they beat the ravens if the 'trend' continues, as they lost last week.
If they lose to the Ravens though, then the Ravens are back in the wild card hunt.  In fact, all of the potential wild card teams would be like between 4-7 and 5-6 next week if the Dolphins and the Jets lose...  jesus the AFC wild card is tight.  Every team that isn't the Bengals, Chiefs, Broncos, Patriots, or Colts are either 4-6, 4-7, or 5-5 (and even then only the Jets/Dolphins are 5-5, and the Bills/Raiders are 4-7).  Houston and Jacksonville are pretty close to being eliminated since they're at 2-8/1-9 (respectively) with a pretty difficult schedule coming up.

NFC's not even in stone.  #4 is really unstable, #1 is kinda guaranteed, and #2, 3, 5, and 6 are between Detroit, Green Bay (sorta), Chicago, San Francisco, Arizona, New Orleans, and Carolina.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on November 20, 2013, 02:12
Played all of two and a half games, and is probably better than Campbell but Campbell's exactly the type of QB a team like the Browns needs.  Checks down, is capable of putting together incredibly length drives to keep their defense off the field, and is generally a good game manager.  Hoyer can make plays and progress through reads quickly, on top of being a byproduct of New England and its backups, so idk.
If they lose to the Ravens though, then the Ravens are back in the wild

If the Browns get rid of Hoyer and/or Campbell, I swear I'll become a Bengals fan. They do stuff like this, yet they sometimes keeps players like Weeden.

Weeden had better be handed the pink slip at the season's end.

Anyways, if the Jets win, the Ravens are cooked for the most part. The loser of Browns vs. Steelers are out as well.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on November 25, 2013, 12:12
holy hell what a game last night :D
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on November 25, 2013, 20:23
We lost. Goodbye playoff chances.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on November 25, 2013, 21:17
Meanwhile, a Ravens win over the Steelers gets us the sixth seed...

holy hell what a game last night :D
The first half was really atrocious, the third quarter was really bad Denver defense, and the fourth quarter was odd.  The OT period was really close to a tie.  I wouldn't say it was a good game lol
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on November 25, 2013, 21:22
'what a game' doesnt imply it was good, it was really exciting
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on November 25, 2013, 21:25
Meanwhile, a Ravens win over the Steelers gets us the sixth seed...

Hm.... Browns fan here. Lost to Steelers, lost playoff shot (that we would've lost to NE anyways.). Hate Steelers and Ravens (Bro like Ravens, I don't like him)


Go Ravens!
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 03, 2013, 01:05
anyone else question that we are in the year 2013 and we use chains to measure the downs

two thousand thirteen people

nfl is a billion dollar industry

chains.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 03, 2013, 01:53
^ It's figure of speech.

Anyways, I'm not happy, lost 3 QB's and now we have #4 who no one know about with a road game against the Pat's coming up. We have horrid luck.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 03, 2013, 02:15
i dunno about the figure of speech.
if its not a chain, what is it in between the sticks that keeps them 10 yards away or however long?
whatever it is, 2013 could do better.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 03, 2013, 02:24
A string, I think. It still works.

Anyways, Seahawks vs. Saints is interesting.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 03, 2013, 02:35
oh gosh darnit thats tonight
sobs loudly in pillow
i havent seen a bloody sehawks game all season
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 03, 2013, 04:41
anyone else question that we are in the year 2013 and we use chains to measure the downs

two thousand thirteen people

nfl is a billion dollar industry

chains.
How else do you suggest they do it?  Chains make it a pretty quick process, considering they have like 10-15 refs on the field per play it's easy to see where exactly it was spotted.  Hash marks help a ton too, and they have a ref whose sole purpose is to follow the ball.  Refs are fairly efficient too with it (although the first down marker isn't bad and if a spot is necessary they it's easy to see the chains in a replay).

Anyway, lol Saints are getting absolutely destroyed...
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 03, 2013, 11:36
The Seahawks are in my top 3 favorites.

On the fumble return for the TD, their fans registered on the Richter Scale. lol
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 03, 2013, 17:50
Cardinals are my favorites from that division (even last year with that almost historic level of offensive ineptitude after Kolb went down) but Seahawks aren't far behind.  I lump them in a group "Victims of Pittsburgh."
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 04, 2013, 02:36
Raven, your thoughts on the Steelers game please.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 04, 2013, 02:48
Dolphins have a great front 7, but they also suck.  Steelers can take it.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 04, 2013, 11:18
I should've been more specific. I meant the one on Thanksgiving day, although that info is helpful.

I'm not even gonna ask about my game, we're gonna get blown out.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 04, 2013, 12:06
if we lose i will hide my face in shame for at least a week

Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 04, 2013, 20:37
Oh

I don't care that Tomlin cluelessly put his foot on the field, I care that the ref blatantly missed it.  I was mad when we started running the prevent with 6 minutes left when they needed a TD/2Point to tie it, and I was mad when they put Corey Graham on Antonio Brown.  What the hell is that?  Graham's best against the slot receiver and sometimes the #2 (Webb's the smartest guy on our secondary too so if someone like Welker were in the slot then we'd put Webb on him).  And he missed a very blatant assignment that allowed Pittsburgh to get a TD, and then we had to put in Chykie Brown who I forgot existed until that game.  At least Minnesota is super one dimensional as a defense, just stack the box; Cassell (I think Ponder's out) is easy mode and worst case there's Freeman lol...


Toothless Hawkins - who is your team?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 04, 2013, 21:20
the patriots

julian edelman was my sig for like 2 days you didnt notice/take a hint???
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 04, 2013, 22:00
So, in other words, you're not happy about that game. Figured. I'm not sure whether or not Ponder is out, though.

Hawkins, if your team somehow loses to us, I'm gonna laugh.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 04, 2013, 22:09
and ill make rubbish excuses and we can laugh at those too
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 04, 2013, 23:03
Good.

I think Weeden my be ok to play. I've heard things.....

Although, the other guy is probably better. :tongue2:
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 05, 2013, 00:31
is the 'other guy' brian hoyer or something?

edit woo 100th post whoopty doo is this at all important?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 05, 2013, 01:54
hoyer's out with an acl tear, campbell has a concussion...  the other guy is caleb hanie, who sucks.  and alex tanney, who's a UDFA rookie...
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 05, 2013, 02:11
i recognize hanie's name from somewhere... was he a backup for other teams in recent years? chicago maybe? and udfa's are no good... looks like the browns wont be passing much.
this is why they shouldve kept richardson, for games like this, where he can run all over everybody
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 05, 2013, 02:22
this is why they shouldve kept richardson, for games like this, where he can run all over everybody

Um.... The pats defense are no slouches. Also, Richardson wasn't very productive in the 2 games before.

I wish we had Hoyer.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 05, 2013, 02:36
i recognize hanie's name from somewhere... was he a backup for other teams in recent years? chicago maybe? and udfa's are no good... looks like the browns wont be passing much.
Yep, he played backup for the Bears in this game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gakkGoN4v0M)

Quote
this is why they shouldve kept richardson, for games like this, where he can run all over everybody
richardson sucks though, if someone offered me a first rounder for him i'd take it.  Browns FO knows what they're doing, they just were dealt a bad hand with Weeden from the previous FO.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 05, 2013, 11:18
Sorry to ask, but what is FO?

Anyways, just because Richardson got all that hype, it doesn't mean he's good. Tebow is a perfect example of this.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 05, 2013, 12:03
i hought he was good  :ohmy:

another perfect example of me not folowing browns football...
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 05, 2013, 20:50
Oh, and following an overhyped team is something to cheer about?

No offense Lord Raven
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 05, 2013, 21:24
Sorry to ask, but what is FO?

Anyways, just because Richardson got all that hype, it doesn't mean he's good. Tebow is a perfect example of this.
front office

Tebow and Richardson are different in so many ways.  Tebow wasn't overhyped so much as had a big following; most football fans knew for a fact he was awful by virtue of his lack of ability to read a defense, his throwing mechanics, and general lack of instinct for the game.  Richardson has a lot - and I mean, A LOT - of raw talent.  He runs like a 4.40 40yd so he's about as fast as Jacoby Jones.


As for the Browns football thing, Richardson wasn't necessarily regarded a bust but an RB taken at #3 is dumb unless you have AD levels of talent, which Trent sorta had but not really because he still didn't exactly display a good instinct for the game at the time of drafting.  He played incredibly mediocre his time in Cleveland, and he's not doing any better (in fact, worse) in Indy.  Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron are way better players, and the Browns would be dumb to get rid of them; getting a first rounder for Richardson is definitely a steal for them.  Browns will be good in a year or two once they actually get a QB and an RB in the draft.

As far as overhyped...  Every single year since 2008 the Ravens weren't predicted to go any better than 8-8.  The only year that this wasn't true was in 2012, and even then halfway through the season there were huge doubts.  People underrate Harbaugh as a coach because he's not a media darling like Payton, Carroll, McCarthy, or even his younger brother.  He was a special teams coach before coming to Baltimore, so he wasn't a defensive or offensive coordinator like any of the coaches that currently have a position.  I've never seen a more hated team get a Super Bowl win.  I don't think people liked that we won Super Bowl 35 the way we did, and I certainly think a lot of the nation hated Baltimore even when they won Super Bowl 47.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 06, 2013, 00:00
^ Good God (or whatever he is called to any of you all out there if you are religious.) Raven, you're smart.

Gordon and Cameron are good receivers, best on the team obviously. Our run defense isn't half bad either. However, we to go to NE this Sunday, who doesn't run as much because of Brady and we'll get burned on passing. We need a QB and an RB like you said.

Also, the way Cleveland works, neither Gordon or Cameron will be resigned. Yet, magically, Weeden is still on the team.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 06, 2013, 04:19
The way Cleveland works now is different from way back when.  The new owner is dead set on reforming the team, and he realized that the old FO (front office, I don't think I answered this question before) were abysmal so he hired new guys.  The new guys know how to build a team and know what they're in for, and they have to stick with Weeden because the other QBs are getting smashed.  Gordon and Cameron WILL be resigned.

As for passing, I wouldn't worry THAT much but that CB the Browns have (god I should remember his name, he was all over us in the Ravens game) is pretty good.  Their pass defense is good and their defense would be better if Weeden weren't awful and McGahee were like 25 years old again (there's a reason Baltimore AND Denver cut him).  They're always on the field because the offense punts it away all the time.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 06, 2013, 15:18
That CB is Joe Haden, by the way.

Weeden is actually expecting to be cut at the end of the regular season, or the end of the Brown's season, for that matter.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 06, 2013, 20:45
Um.... The pats defense are no slouches. Also, Richardson wasn't very productive in the 2 games before.


pats run defense is 31st in the league according to the play by play guy on CBS
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 06, 2013, 20:57
Kubiak just got cut...  I was expecting this, just not during the season.

And it was Joe Haden, thanks
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 06, 2013, 21:42
just goes to show what a season its been in houston
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 06, 2013, 23:42
pats run defense is 31st in the league according to the play by play guy on CBS


Well looks like we may actually put up more than 3 points!
And it was Joe Haden, thanks

No problem.

Breaking news, Campbell to start @ NE.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 07, 2013, 00:17
3+ points is a given, you can do anything in the first half vs ne
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 07, 2013, 01:33
you can do anything in the first half

There's your answer.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 07, 2013, 01:39
answer to what
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 07, 2013, 06:50
just goes to show what a season its been in houston
Losing tons of close games, a few blowouts, calling predictable plays leading to the apparent regression of Schaub, that defense becoming crap all of a sudden, and the coordinators realizing how much their defense actually blows when Brian Cushing goes down.  Let's not forget the fact that he can't stick to one quarterback in the game, and that magically now he's letting Schaub run a no huddle and Keenum not do that.  He never allowed that before.

Pretty much the way the Texans have been playing is the musings of a doomed man trying to hold on to whatever remains of his job.  Touching, but they are headed from a 12-4 season that was going beautifully until Brian Cushing went down again to the gunning for the #1 overall pick - and being two games down from third place in the division.

If the Texans kept it up, they'd easily go like 14-2 or 13-3 last season.  But the team somewhat selfdestructed towards the end, and it lead to them winning only 4 times since December 2012.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 07, 2013, 19:55
^Hey, at least we have 4 wins over here in Cleveland.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 08, 2013, 21:42
CLE 26 - 27 NE

oh sweet potato casserole
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 08, 2013, 22:03
^ You only won because we missed the GW FG.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 08, 2013, 22:05
i know, i wont rub it in anymore because it was close
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 08, 2013, 22:08
The Pats should've lost.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 08, 2013, 22:42
Billy Cundiff doesn't ever kick game winning field goals, don't go complaining to a Ravens fan when the Browns are out of playoff contention and the Ravens were a game TYING 27 yarder away from taking an AFCCG into overtime.

Anyway,

(http://i.imgur.com/38kxO6h.jpg)

Because haters gonna hate
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 08, 2013, 23:01
billy cundiff is da best yo
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 08, 2013, 23:36
^No, Dawson is infinitely better

 
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 08, 2013, 23:44
it was sarcasm...
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 08, 2013, 23:46
Still, facts are facts.

(http://i.imgur.com/38kxO6h.jpg)

Because haters gonna hate

Fine. I hate. :tongue2:
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 09, 2013, 00:12
jacoby jones, man... what a returner. 0 play, 0 yard drive hahaha
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 09, 2013, 00:16
He's a good deep burner too, not Randy Moss levels but definitely serviceable.  He doesn't fight for catches which will remain his issue, but he does get TDs deep.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 09, 2013, 01:03
^ Deep TD's? Yep, that's him. Well, him or Josh Gordon.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 09, 2013, 04:17
Josh Gordon's skillset is far different than Jacoby's.  Jacoby is unpolished but can beat coverage by his speed alone, doesn't have talent anywhere else except his hands which have learned how to hold onto a ball.


Also;

(http://dailysnark.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/joeflaccoscramble.gif)

He still has doubters after this game.  He lead his team 80 yards in 40 seconds without a Hail Mary, which hasn't been done since 1981.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 09, 2013, 20:28
^This is also true.

Jacoby is unpolished but can beat coverage by his speed alone, doesn't have talent anywhere else except his hands which have learned how to hold onto a ball.

Um.... I think I know what you are saying, but after speed alone I lost you.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 09, 2013, 20:48
speed and hands is a good start; better than some
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 09, 2013, 21:07
Yes, but some just have a different skill sets as Raven said.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 10, 2013, 02:45
But he said what I said, basically.  He has good speed, good hands, but that's it.  He doesn't fight for catches at all, he can only burn coverage on routes, but the fact is that if it were that easy then he'd see a lot more receptions.  Fact is, we have nobody that can fight for the ball except Pitta, who was a blessing in that game.  His dislocated hip was a freak accident thankfully, because he made some really ballsy catches this game.

I think of him as Mark Clayton with better hands and a better QB throwing to him, but I bet you dont know who that is...
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 10, 2013, 20:59
No I do not, sorry.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 10, 2013, 21:56
wr from about 10 years ago iirc
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 11, 2013, 00:39
he was a ravens first round wr that could burn coverage better than Jacoby Jones but had drop issues
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 11, 2013, 01:23
Ok. I need to watch more NFL. And play it.

Anyways, the NFC East is still confusing, WSH is out, as is NYG. It's DAL vs. PHI for the title. I'm going with Phili, because after November, Romo is trash. Well, when not in November, Romo isn't good, still....
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 11, 2013, 06:09
Romo isn't trash in December, the whole team just falls apart on him.

NFC East isn't confusing, but NYG is mathematically eliminated as of today.  31 fanbases breath a sigh of relief.

(I should also say here now that Clayton looked much better when Flacco threw to him than when Boller threw to him, because Boller was overall awful too even though sometimes he had some incredible games)

At any rate, Clayton was drafted when you were like 4 or 5 years old (I was like 12 or 13)
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 11, 2013, 21:42
The NFC East is still not clear, because Dallas and Philadelphia and near each other. So, when Dallas falls apart, the Eagles will likely be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 11, 2013, 23:06
on the note of nfc east

mike shanahan could be gone
hes like the 8th coach under snyder
washington is a wreck  :P
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 12, 2013, 01:31
Washington's a wreck? Not only in the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 12, 2013, 01:38
plz no politics maybe?


yeah its bad.. kirk cousins starts next week
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 12, 2013, 01:40
It's that bad?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 12, 2013, 01:45
yeas, although its a bad move on shanahans part. RGIII is your franchise player, and benching him doesnt help much. its only his second year, he needs to continue developing.

if shanahan is fired and they bring in baylors head coach as the hc in washington, i wouldnt be suprised...
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 12, 2013, 02:07
Honestly, I would. Baylor's coach is having such success there. Why leave? Bryce Petty is doing well. Plus, Baylor is top 10.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 12, 2013, 02:36
theres always money to consider though... he would likely get paid a lot more in the pros than in college. griffin excelled at baylor with him, so why not do the same thing? and even if he doesnt work out in washington, he could probably go back to college and do fine. he could even lure in recruits with the 'i have pro credentials' card
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 12, 2013, 06:17
Shanahan's mentality for benching RG3 was really really clear if you sifted through the crap on the internet.  Basically, his entire reasoning was that RG3 didn't have a full offseason and the season is now lost, so they'd rather not injure RG3 again and prevent him from sitting out yet another offseason, and they'd rather get Kirk Cousins the experience and perhaps see if other teams can be interested in him, therefore boosting his career.  They're putting Grossman as backup so RG3 can keep healthy, and then they plan on using him in the offseason as starter and hopefully he'll be the same RG3 that took the league by storm last year.  That was his reasoning.  They didn't feel he could get anything more out of the rest of the season considering how often he was getting hit, and they didn't want to risk him losing another offseason, being as young as he is.  It's because RG3's the franchise player that he's being benched.  They're not tanking either, so much as giving Kirk Cousins a chance to start.

I'll link the video upon request, but these words did come straight out of Shanahan's mouth.

They wouldn't bench RG3 without the future in mind.  Bear in mind, they don't have a first round pick this year and I believe next year as well, and they lost a second round pick last year for RG3.  They have no reason to tank because their first round draft pick goes to the Rams, who they will inevitably face next year if both teams finish last in their division (which is looking likely).
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 13, 2013, 21:08
^That's what I thought, about Cousins getting experience. Plus, Shanahan is smart for doing this, as you said Raven.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 13, 2013, 21:10
I mean he's done in Washington no matter what so whatever
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 13, 2013, 21:13
Didn't think of that one either. Well, how would you say your season is going in Baltimore?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 13, 2013, 23:04
I'd say it's going better than the people who said we'd be cellar dwellers predicted, considering we haven't had an offense this season and our defense chokes
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 14, 2013, 00:26
RG3 was also given "special privileges" from snyder (dunno what they consist of) so he could be more free and whatnot, and shanahan was showing him "hey you, you dont get whatever you want all the time"
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 14, 2013, 01:40
I'd say it's going better than the people who said we'd be cellar dwellers predicted, considering we haven't had an offense this season and our defense chokes

We have a goodish run defense, we get burned deep and give up shorter passes in the secondary. Also our offense isn't bad. But 4-9 is not good in Cleveland.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 14, 2013, 08:08
RG3 was also given "special privileges" from snyder (dunno what they consist of) so he could be more free and whatnot, and shanahan was showing him "hey you, you dont get whatever you want all the time"
I have no idea how much of that is media hype, how much of that is Shanahan leakage.  Basically, I don't trust anything Washington media has to say about this, none of these stupid second hand anonymous sources.  I'm going by what's going on now, what their future is like, the fact that they had a huge cap penalty and couldn't get a defense, not having a first round pick this year or next year, and what Shanahan is saying straight from his own mouth.

I don't think Shanahan wanted RG3 either and he heavily preferred a pocket passer, but that leak doesn't completely make sense to me because he had John Elway as a QB when those Broncos teams won 2 Super Bowls...  and Elway wasn't exactly a pure pocket passer either.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 14, 2013, 18:45
^That is true as well. Oh (insert name of prefered deity) Raven, I'm turning into your yes man.

I don't exactly trust Washington myself.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 15, 2013, 01:51
cant trust any organization with dan snyder running it
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 15, 2013, 01:55
Well, speaking of Elway, Denver has their playoffs spot locked.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 15, 2013, 02:03
but not the 1 seed anymore... pats own the tiebreaker, have to see how things play out in the AFC
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 15, 2013, 03:01
Yeah I'm actually hoping that the AFC doesn't go back to its 80s/90s levels of incompetence seeing this playoff race play out
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 15, 2013, 17:37
I'm just hoping PIT doesn't make it to the post season, they're my aunt's team.

Doesn't look like PIT's making it though. CIN is likely to win the AFC North.

AFC West: Denver
AFC East: New England
AFC North: Cincinnati
AFC South: Indianapolis
WC 1: Kansas City
WC 2: Miami (Being a bit bold here. Likely to be Baltimore, however.)
 
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 15, 2013, 18:57
Miami isn't being bold at all.  If Ravens and Dolphins lose weekend, then they're the 6th seed cause of a 3-way tie which somehow goes to Miami.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 15, 2013, 19:06
Ok. I'm watching the Browns game. 3 INTs altogether from both teams. 1 Pick 6. Cutler has 2 picks, one pick 6.

Cle 10-3 Chi
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 15, 2013, 19:07
cutlers playing? thought he was injured
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 15, 2013, 19:09
He's playing like it. Not in yards, but picks. On the first drive of the game, he threw a pick in the endzone
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 15, 2013, 20:06
He's still a better QB than McCown though lol

It really sucks when your first game back is the Browns.  McCown would be doing a lot worse against them.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 15, 2013, 21:13
That is true. And it looks like we lose.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 15, 2013, 22:22
pats only lost because of gronk being gone please dont take this post seriously im just making crap excuses
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 16, 2013, 00:06
Ravens are only 7-6 because Dennis Pitta was out until recently, so it's a legitimate excuse.  Your receivers are about as poor as ours, and the main difference between the Ravens and the Patriots this season is that the Patriots have a run game
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 16, 2013, 00:20
pats rungame isnt the greatest though
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 16, 2013, 00:47
At least you don't have a run game like ours.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 16, 2013, 01:59
i cant even name the browns halfback so yeah guess thats a good thing
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 16, 2013, 02:00
pats rungame isnt the greatest though
i hear what you're saying but i would kill to have your run game (http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/2948/ravens-run-game-on-historically-bad-path)

Let me put it in perspective; Joe Flacco and Ray Rice have the same number of 20+ yard runs, at 1.  Joe Flacco was our leading rusher in the Browns game.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 16, 2013, 02:08
7-6 is a miracle when your averaging 2.7 yards per carry oh dear god thats awful
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 16, 2013, 02:12
I think it's gotten to like 2.8!

7-6 is a miracle when we've had 1.5 red zone receiving targets, awful awful awful receiver corps with awful playcalling, and our defense blowing a lot of fourth quarter comeback attempts by allowing like 6 minute drives.  I don't think people realize just where the Ravens struggles lie, but at least it's not on Flacco and I know our future is safe with Flacco at QB.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 16, 2013, 02:58
Cleveland blows a lot of fourth quarter leads. Our defense in passing is poor at best. We have no QB identity. Our coaching sucks.

Just some of the problems. Doesn't help that we face really good teams every season as well.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 17, 2013, 12:11
you dont even need a run game when you have this guy though he just completely makes up for it
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/11/25/justin-tucker.gif)
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 17, 2013, 20:58
6 field goals and win a game. Haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 18, 2013, 00:24
think he went 5/5 a week or two ago too
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 18, 2013, 01:52
Against the Steelers he went 5/5

I think he's made around 3-4 field goals per game on average
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 22, 2013, 22:44
patriots 17 - 0 ravens in the 2nd quarter ahahahahahahaha i probably shouldnt speak so soon though...
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 24, 2013, 01:50
Go ahead bread. You destroyed them fourty-something to 7 and help CIN get the AFC north.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 24, 2013, 02:25
i feel bad about it, though, because tyrod taylor went to virginia tech (my favorite college team) and got beat down :(
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 24, 2013, 02:28
Ok......

I have no idea what you're talking about. I follow the Big 10, not the ACC. Also, this is an NFL discussion, not an FBS chat.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 24, 2013, 02:32
tyrod was the ravens backup, which you would know if you watched it??
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 24, 2013, 02:33
Yeah and 41-7 was misleading cause 14 of those patriots points were garbage time...  but our fourth down playcalling was awful.  pretty much an all around awful game for the ravens

but DM;WSB

and why be so uptight about college football lol?  I hate college football but i dont mind it being in this thread

At any rate...

(http://i.imgur.com/g2UXSXM.png)
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 24, 2013, 02:48
DM WSB? i googled it and got some aircraft data stuff lol


trying to understand that picture & its giving me a hard time :P
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 24, 2013, 04:49
doesn't matter; won super bowl

basically the four teams in the AFC that have a shot at the playoffs are the Steelers, Ravens, Dolphins, and Chargers.  The remaining games are Steelers @ Browns, Ravens @ Bengals, Chargers @ Chiefs, and Jets @ Dolphins.  The winners of each of those four games dictate who makes the playoffs; the above chart lists who makes the playoffs based on who wins each of those four games.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 25, 2013, 00:10
People actually think that Cleveland's gonna win? That's a funny joke.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 25, 2013, 02:12
didnt see the 6th seed bar at first, helps now :P

people actually think the steelers are gonna win? thats a funny joke
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 27, 2013, 03:11
^Well played sir.

Seriously, the Browns are toast. Our secondary, scratch that, defense is good at first, but 4th quarter, we play about as good as Romo does in Q4.

Anyways, got a Jim Brown jersey plus 3 other Cleveland jerseys for Christmas to bring my grand total of CLE jerseys to 5.

Haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 27, 2013, 07:09
I have a Torrey Smith Nike SB47 jersey, Ed Reed and Joe Flacco reebok jerseys, and a Deion Sanders jersey from like 2005 on clearance
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 27, 2013, 16:13
i have tom brady and clinton portis jerseys, nothing more
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 28, 2013, 00:07
I have the following Jerseys:

Jim Brown (Cleveland)* (So gonna be framed and put in my room)
C.C. Brown (Cleveland)*
Tim Couch (Cleveland)**
Winnie Miginist (Cleveland)*
Charlie Frye (Cleveland)*
Percy Harvin (Minnesota)***

*Brown
**White
***Purple

The only reason I have Harvin's Viking's jersey has because of a great deal. It was retailed for $100, one huge sale later I got it for $30.

So.... Panthers or Saints for NFC South?

I'm going with.....

Panthers!


Edit: Just found out Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron are going to the pro bowl!
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on December 29, 2013, 20:56
ravens and browns both seem to be toast

gg tho
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on December 30, 2013, 01:15
I wonder how black monday will go, especially in terms of Ravens coordinators.


Also, the AFC everyone!

1 - DEN (13-3)
2 - NE (12-4)
3 - CIN (11-5)
4 - IND (11-5)
5 - KC (11-5)
6 - SD (9-7)

And surprisingly, this is sorted by record!  I think CIN AND IND have tiebreakers over KC anyway.

the NFC is locked up save the 3 seed;

1 - SEA (13-3)
2 - CAR (12-4)
3 - PHI or DAL (10-6 or 9-7)
4 - GB (8-7-1)
5 - SF (12-4)
6 - NO (11-5)

Wild Card:
SD (6) @ CIN (3)
KC (5) @ IND (4)
NO (6) @ PHI (3)
SF (5) @ GB (4)

Divisional:
IND (4) @ DEN (1)
CIN (3) @ NE (2)
SF (5) @ SEA (1)
PHI (3) @ CAR (2)

Championship:
CIN (3) @ DEN (1)
CAR (2) @ SEA (1)

Super Bowl:  Seattle

The Championship rounds will be some of the best football we will ever see.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 30, 2013, 14:25
Annnnnndddddd....

There goes Rob after season one. Yet they gave Shurmer a second season.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 01, 2014, 17:09
bill obrien in houston? didnt see that coming, thought hed stay at penn state
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 01, 2014, 18:28
Same. Word on the street is that we're interviewing my HS's rival's QB that started (and thankfully lost) in that game. Josh McDaniels.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 01, 2014, 20:28
Josh McDaniels lololololol, that sucks
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 01, 2014, 20:39
i was about to ask who josh mcdaniels is and make a fool of myself

but i remembered haha
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 01, 2014, 23:25
It's literally come to that. They only lost by one in OT though.

I'd rather have Ken.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 03, 2014, 05:26
Hopefully his is him being a competent coach now and not him being an idiot butthole like every other coaching gig outside of NE he's had

EDIT:  I can't be the only one here who saw that comeback...
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 06, 2014, 21:46
Your not. That was amazing football played by Indy in the second half! I saw at least a part of every game this weekend. I have a bracket going to keep track and to decide who to root for in the Super Bowl.

AFC

SD (6) at DEN (1)
NE (2) vs. IND (4)

NFC

SF (5) at CAR (2)
SEA (1) vs. NO (6)


Notice how both 6 seeds made it.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 06, 2014, 22:04
SD @ DEN
IND @ NE

SF @ CAR
NO @ SEA

Explanations upon request
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 06, 2014, 22:17
you guys are doing it so...

SD @ DEN
IND @ NE

SF @ CAR
NO @ SEA
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 07, 2014, 00:57
Alright, even if I am in no position to question your opinions, I must say that SD over DEN is a tad bold, although Rivers and the Chargers beat them in the Regular season. I'm also kinda surprised I was the only one going with San Fran over Carolina.

Raven, bestow your wisdom upon us.








On a lighter note, I got Madden 13 for the Wii U, so I get to see Weedan suck in HD! :D
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 07, 2014, 01:08
i needed an upset somewhere ok
i just think phillip rivers and the rest of the chargers are playing some fantastic football at the moment, and they seem like the 'cinderella' this year (like the giants, i guess... (or were they the 5th seed? idk))
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 07, 2014, 01:25
Gaints were seed 6. And we all know how cinderella twams end up. Looking at you FGCU! (Florida Gulf Coast University)
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 07, 2014, 06:31
The reason the Chargers beat the Broncos last time was because the Broncos couldn't score on every possession.  Denver defense could also never get a third down stop at all - it looked like a very boring game on the surface but it was exciting because San Diego's gameplan was executed to perfection; keep Manning off the field, and the no huddle dies down.  It's what the Giants did to the Bills in Super Bowl 25 and it's exactly how you stop a powerful no huddle offense.

However, Denver also had Bubba Caldwell working the slot instead of Wes Welker.  Bubba Caldwell isn't nearly as good as Welker, and I'm fairly sure Julius Thomas was also out the last time they played.  It was Thursday Night Football, and you're missing two of your best weapons; do the math here.  Denver could not really win that game very easily, especially on the shoulders of that defense.  So the Broncos also kept themselves off the field by having to punt.  (This is also why Thursday Night Football is a terrible idea).

Bengals lost yesterday because Mathews was just finding his stride in the game, and the Chargers employed largely the same tactics they had been employing.  Dalton also had one of the worst meltdowns I have seen a quarterback have in football.  I feel bad for him, but if you're playing like that with the receivers you've got access to then you deserve to lose like that.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 07, 2014, 20:18
Alright, I get what you're saying. That makes sense.

Next, IND at NE
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 13, 2014, 23:05
woo i was wrong (twice!)


the patriots game was fun to watch if you were a runningback coach haha...
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 14, 2014, 05:31
On the contrary, when the Chargers tried to run the ball the Broncos stopped them in their tracks.  The Broncos receivers, meanwhile, may just lose them the game...  they should've scored 28 points in the first half and another 14 in the second half but drops to PERFECT passes were rampant.  Jesus.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 15, 2014, 00:28
If it's niners vs. Pats in the SB, I'm not watching it. Just saying....
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 15, 2014, 01:06
dont call yourself an nfl fan if you say you wouldnt watch the super bowl
 
niners-pats sounds great imo
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 15, 2014, 01:13
I mean it's just even though every QB left is overhyped, Seattle and Denver have worked the hardest to get to this point, or at least to me.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 15, 2014, 01:25
Manning and Brady are overhyped?  Kaepernick is I agree, and I think Wilson is overhyped by ESPN but not by football fans.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 15, 2014, 12:17
manning and brady sure arent, both hall of fame for sure
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 16, 2014, 01:35
I'm just saying, it seems like a more interesting match up to me.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 18, 2014, 15:51
if i hear manning say omaha i am going to change the channel so damn fast
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 18, 2014, 19:29
You can't blame him for using a snap count that is both easy for the players to hear in case of noise and also what they're used to.  Not his fault it's been jerked around in the media.  It's the same as "hurry hurry" last year.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 18, 2014, 20:04
i know, but play after play it gets really annoying...  san diego had quite a few flags for offside last week, so it must work
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 18, 2014, 23:19
Also, it's the name of a play which is run differently depending on many factors, ranging from Home/Away to the color of the jerseys.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 19, 2014, 21:59
that eight minute goddamn drive just ended our season lol, gg
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 19, 2014, 22:04
I don't know, the 12th man my help Brady after all. And I don't mean the fans.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 19, 2014, 22:09
if youre speaking of the fact that they always come back, i dont think theyve enough time
losing talib KILLED them though, our secondary couldnt play if their life depended on it without him :-/

...injuries, man. lol
ive given up now im just sitting here and praying haha
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 19, 2014, 22:12
i wouldn't exactly give up hope, this Denver D is impotent and luck just came back from 28 points (and in reality had to score 35 points to keep up) in a little less than 2 quarters
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 19, 2014, 22:19
will be 27-3 soon with 15 minutes left though




GG
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 19, 2014, 22:26
23-3 you mean, cause the Broncos have had drop issues all season that came to light when they started losing a few games

on that note, Brady wont be getting high fives today
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 20, 2014, 00:09
Brady wont be getting high fives today

Come on Raven, he never gets any.

I got mai wish ~

And my mom took a bunch of stuffing (the kind in stuffed animals), a jersey and put the stuffing into the jersey and made a squishy, oversized pillow.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 20, 2014, 00:28
im not watching the super bowl even if you paid me it wont happen
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 20, 2014, 03:03
Yus!

Denver and Seattle!
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 20, 2014, 03:14
pulling for the hawks, have a seattle bobblehead from back when they were bad lol...

and i cant stand the omaha broncos anymore :P
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 21, 2014, 03:23
My bro won last years SB and picked first. He took Seattle.

Damn. Denver it is.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 21, 2014, 05:19
Nobody was mad about Peyton Manning when he obsessively yelled Hurry Hurry all the time last year, why did the Omaha thing attract so much attention?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on January 21, 2014, 11:44
i didnt pay attention to broncos football last year to be completely honest...

Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on January 22, 2014, 00:03
mmhm his snap count last consisted of him either saying "Hurry hurry" or "hurry set hut" or something similar.  Lots of players use Omaha too because it's a very distinguishable word (hard to confuse it with others when theres noise)

I also guess you didnt appreciate last years divisional round as much as most of the league did?  On top of it being the greatest game I've seen in my life and one of the best games ever, it was also a huge upset.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 22, 2014, 00:17
I like Omaha, it's the name of a play too. So, it's not completely useless.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on March 10, 2014, 03:50
(http://cdn03.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/brady-entourage/tom-brady-entourage-shirtless-04.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e65WYp6yn98/TjLKbZe3WOI/AAAAAAAAAAY/f9QDr4KMJgQ/s1600/adam+vinatieri.jpg)

bread how does it make you feel that your quarterback is less buff than a 40 year old kicker that used to be on your team???
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on March 23, 2014, 00:33
I'll be starting a thread for the draft soon. So, what grade would you give your team in FA and why?

Cleveland: B-

Positives: Ben Tate, although he's no AP, he's better than what we used to have and more reliable that what we have now. Front office changes, only Haslam (Correct me if i'm wrong) is left of what some have deemed "The Three Stooges". Hawkins is a slot receiver, which I heard we needed, Bess being a bust. Best part, say it with me: Weeden was released!

Negatives: Releasing D'Qwell Jackson and T.J. Ward, they were 2 of the best players in the team last season, period. They were replaced with Dansby and Whitner respectively (correct me if i'm wrong on the former). Whitner being thought of as not as good last season by some (true) and is now being payed more than Ward was. Campbell was a good backup, even if he only won a single game (Raven, not to sound like a jerk but, you mad bro?), he was released. Guess who we're going for, Grossman.

Smartest move: The signing of Ben Tate. Everyone seems to be liking this. Now instead of drafting an RB early in the draft (damn, no Cleveland x Carlos Hyde shipping), they can focus on other needs *cough cough QB cough*
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on March 23, 2014, 05:45
Campbell being released is a good move now?  He's a good backup.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on March 23, 2014, 12:37
That's the word, backup. You people in baltimore have a good QB, over here in C-town, Hoyer may be a good starter, but we don't know. Campbell was starting most of the season, and look where it got us. Then again, he's better than Grossman. Allow me a moment to switch some things.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on March 23, 2014, 12:56
dammit raven this page is long as hell know with your stupid kicker
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on March 23, 2014, 17:34
Speaking of kickers, I miss Dawson. He was one of the only reliable players on the team before he signed with 49ers before the 2012 season.
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: the bread dragon on March 23, 2014, 18:24
im happy to see revis and browner in the patriots secondary. revis should be as ever, and browner is from the defending champs, and nearly everyone in seattle is good
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on March 23, 2014, 18:29
Meanwhile in Denver......
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on March 23, 2014, 20:47
That's the word, backup. You people in baltimore have a good QB, over here in C-town, Hoyer may be a good starter, but we don't know. Campbell was starting most of the season, and look where it got us. Then again, he's better than Grossman. Allow me a moment to switch some things.

Point is that when your first string (Hoyer) or whatever rookie you draft goes down, you want someone to fill in the gaps between injuries.  Campbell is quite good at that for a few games.  It also doesn't help that the team as a whole had a huge meltdown halfway through the season.

dammit raven this page is long as hell know with your stupid kicker
You mean your Super Bowl winning kicker?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: SirBlaziken on March 23, 2014, 20:55
All I have to say is burn.

So, how'd FA treat the pats and ravens?
Title: Re: NFL 2013 Regular season
Post by: Lord Raven on March 23, 2014, 21:18
We re-signed Pitta, Monroe, Daryl Smith, and Jacoby Jones to 4-5 year deaps for relatively cheap.  Pitta was 6m/year, Jacoby was 3m/year, Monroe for 7.5m/year, and Daryl Smith for 4m/year.  Which is good, because Daryl/Pitta/Monroe are very versatile and Jacoby is a great return guy.  Also signed Steve Smith for like 3.5m/year, which is good because we need a receiver like that.

Acquired a Center from the Buccs just now (who is miles better than our current one - and our current one is worst than a couple backups) and signed a Free Safety to a ridiculously cheap deal even though we probably won't use him.  Lost Corey Graham who was a slot/nickel corner anyway (who I will forever remember for his picks against Peyton Manning in the playoffs last year), and Michael Oher who wasn't ever good.  (Corey went to the Bills, Oher went to the Titans).  Also lost Art Jones who is an above average 3-4 DE, was not a huge loss but wasn't particularly hurtful to us to lose him.