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GTI looks bad, not really exited for X/Y, B/W 2 wasn't great, even the anime is getting bad.

It seems like Pokémon is dying.

This is just my opinion, but it looks like everything is declining.

What do you think?

Quote from: king apple xi on May 11, 2013, 22:35
GTI looks bad, not really exited for X/Y, B/W 2 wasn't great, even the anime is getting bad.

It seems like Pokémon is dying.

This is just my opinion, but it looks like everything is declining.

What do you think?

Before X and Y I probably would've agreed with you. But it seems like X and Y are sparking some new sparks? I dunno I feel it's a lot more exciting than B/W was. And general feeling is; "X and Y aren't too bad actually ^^"

Yeah, x/y is looking meh

I hope it isnt as disapointing as bw and b2w2 though...

Quote from: king apple xi on May 11, 2013, 22:42
Yeah, x/y is looking meh

Each to their own really.

No, it's nowhere close to dying. GTI seems to be aimed at a younger audience, but that's to be expected. I don't know why you're not excited for X/Y, they look freaking awesome in my opinion. B/W 2 were in fact pretty good. They allowed younger fans to get into competitive battling easier, with the addition of Join Avenue and it's many ways of helping train pokemon competitively. And as for the anime? Have you seen Episode N? If not, go watch it. Right now. It's amazing, trust me.

And if Pokemon seems to be declining for you? Maybe your losing interest. Or maybe it's just a phase - everyone goes through a not-liking Pokemon phase, and a large number of people come back to it when they're older.

Quote from: king apple xi on May 11, 2013, 22:35
even the anime is getting bad.

Yeah that happened about 13 years ago, it's all repeating storylines and fillers now.

X and Y do look interesting, and the games sell in huge numbers, I don't think it's going to be dead for a while.

Let's face it and be realistic here, the anime has ALWAYS been bad. I love and always will love the anime all the way up to Hoenn, that's my sweet spot, but even when I've just marathoned a bunch of episodes right from the beginning it's been kinda like "This type of episode...again?" Of course I don't expect much because it's only supposed to be a supplement.

As far as sales go...well I personally don't think sales are indicative of success in anything, there are lots of underground hits. I do believe B/W sold the worst of any game so far...maybe R/S did a little worse IIRC.

In any case, I don't think Pokemon is dying but I think it needs to decide what it's doing with itself, Black/White was a reboot of the series and felt a lot more 'anime' influenced than previous games, not just from its visual style and in-depth plot, but also in the execution. With BW2 we saw more of a return to traditional Pokemon.

The thing is, we're being given a lot of callbacks to older stuff such as PWT, New Mewtwo etc. but then the games themselves seem to be heading completely away from that and starting fresh. I think Pokemon need to start tying up some lose ends and building on existing stuff rather than constantly starting over. There are so many mysteries that just get forgotten and never solved or explained and it's kinda sad. I honestly don't want to return to any past regions just yet, but it'd be nice if something in a new region poured fuel on the fire of an old mystery.

For example, Giant Chasm is supposedly where a meteor fell and Kyuurem landed. Kyuurem has the DNA theme - so does Deoxys which also fell from a meteor. And what Pokemon can be found around that area? Ditto (More DNA related Pokemon) and Clefairy/Clefable, which seems to hint further towards the Mt. Moon mystery of Pokemon coming from the moon, yet they never seem to explain it even partially. They just keep piling on new mysteries without wrapping up the old ones.

we all have our own opinions but the thing i'm gonna miss in x and y is the whole sprite thing. don't get me wrong; the graphics on it look amazing! i'm just gonna miss the whole sprite thing and such. otherwise, i highly doubt pokemon's dying out. i've had times where i got really bored of pokemon but i came back to it anyways; i don't know if that's happening here but in all, all the games were really great and you can actually see them improving on everything as the years have gone by.

No. Your tastes are changing. /thread

I think it is starting to fade, but X/Y should give a spark to start it back up.

I liked BW2. Granted, BW was betterm but I still liked them a lot more than Sinnoh. The bad guys ties to freeze you solid! It was awesome.

Quote from: king apple xi on May 11, 2013, 22:35
even the anime is getting bad.

The anime has always been bad, but before we were five and we didn't notice. Honestly, it has always been repetitive. Therefore, the only "good" season would be the first one. At least they're making Team Rocket an actual meanace as of Unova.

A lot of kids these day's think its embarrassing to play pokemon, and that it's only for babies. The sad part is that the so called "adult" game, COD, has more kids on it then adults, and the so called "baby" game, pokemon, has more adults/teenagers on it then kids. The generations aren't getting worse either in my opinion. Sure, I wasn't super impressed with the b/w pokemon line up, but it was still good and they completely improved the game, making certain aspects of it less annoying and more fun and cool in general. B2/W2 were the best third instalment's in a generation ever in my opinion.

Pokemon sure isn't dying, and I think gen 6 has more hype going for it than any generation I can remember. Like has been said, it's likely a personal faze, and we all go through them. X/Y look absolutely fantastic, in my opinion, and many feel the same way.

I don't think it's dying. I loved B/W, and while B/W2 were less my cup of tea, they were meant to be 'Third in the trio' games rather than new games altogether so I can forgive them that.

Also, while I agree with what Turner says about wrapping up mysteries, on the same level I kind of like having a few mysteries here and there. Throwing a line out to the speculators and the fanfiction writers, you know?

I am majorly, majorly hyped for Pokemon X/Y. The series evolves with every generation, and Nintendo are making a conscious effort to perpetuate this. And I'm excited.

I think a problem is the 5th Gen felt more like a pit stop or just something to tie us over until Game Freak came out with a 3DS duo of games. It's probably by far the shortest period for a generation (2 years-ish right?), it was released on the same console as the 4th Gen (DSi features or not, you still play both perfectly on a DS Fat) and even the anime accelerated at a much faster pace (Ash getting his badges faster) which resulted in filler arcs like the Melotta arc, N, and the one its on right now. I guess general feeling towards casual gamers or whatever was "Why arnt these on 3DS?". Even my nephew wondered the same thing till X and Y were announced.

I think the 6th has plenty to be excited for, it's stepping out of the sprites and into 3D at last, a whole new Pokemon type, and lots of other things I'm sure have yet to be announced. When you already see adverts on the back of Magazine for X and Y, you know this is going to be a big deal.   

Yeah Gen V felt like filler in a very long story. It reminds me of an 'alternate universe' episode of a cartoon or something. IMO Gen IV really opened up a lot of doorways for Pokemon, the connectivity, the legends, I feel like Gen VI is going to fill in that void once the smoke has cleared over 'woo 3D' buzz. I can't wait to see the story of X/Y.

Pokémon had just got more adult with Gen 5. I want that to continue to Gen 6, as X and Y had been hyped a lot and I hope it will be better than the last.

Also, no, Pokémon isn't dying. It's thriving. In fact, this image explains it all why Pokémon will not die out sooner or later:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/64a20d6bc3158bd90cee488360105153/tumblr_mgbduygLeH1qeablwo1_250.jpg)

Here, Pokémon is targeted to kids, but adults like it.

Not true.

Pokemon's primary target audience is the kids - but Nintendo listens very, very carefully to its secondary target audience, which is the faithful old fans who keep playing every generation. Without that, why in God's name would they have gone through all of the remakes? Those are specifically to appeal to older fans, or to let newer fans play their way through the series without having to go retro and thus bringing them into the field of the 'older fans'. Likewise, by opening up competitive gaming and keeping the balance there, they mantain the more complex side of Pokemon which appeals more to adults than kids. They also listen very closely to what their older audience requests, and try to appeal to that.

I love Pokemon, but it's not a game 'just meant for kids' that adults happen to enjoy. It's a game with more than one target audience, and I consider Nintendo very clever for being able to pull that off.

I kinda think it is, the X & Y pokemon look er kinda you know forced. Not very interesting looking. But who cares! I'm just gonna keep on playing until Ash wins the pokemon league. Of course Ash looks a whole lot different now.... :laugh:

Ash couldn't win a Pokemon League if they gave him an Arceus.

The anime sure isn't as good as it used to be, imo. I remember how it was shown more on CN every week.. What I'll say is that it's definitely less popular in the anime case. The games are good and only getting better (or worse in some ways)

The BW games (both sets) were darker and had one of the few times where a person deliberately attacks a Pokémon using their own body and not another Pokémon. I'm talking about the Plasma Grunt who kicks Munna in the Dreamyard. Jessie, in the Anime, is the only other human to do this intentionally when she attacked Seviper after it cut off her hair. Meowth doesn't count as she was more annoyed and it was more for comedic effect. The Grunt and Jessie attacked the Pokémon out of pure spite.

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Before X and Y I probably would've agreed with you. But it seems like X and Y are sparking some new sparks? I dunno I feel it's a lot more exciting than B/W was. And general feeling is; "X and Y aren't too bad actually ^^"
[/quote]i agree with this guy

Quote from: Richard and Blaziken on July 05, 2013, 20:32
Ash couldn't win a Pokemon League if they gave him an Arceus.

Yeah, ash is the worst pokemon trainer ever. He has like a level 350 pikachu, yet he still loses to the first gym leader in each region and even lost to some guys level 5 snivy. IF you've watched the original anime, as I have, he hardly even got any of his gym badges legit. For example, for brock, ash was losing, but pikachu's thunderbolt accidentally causes the sprinklers to go on, effectively dousing onix. Misty: Pikachu refuses to fight, but it doesn't matter, her sisters give ash the badge anyways without a fight. Erika: Team rocket sets the gym on fire and ash puts it out, Erika then gives him a badge in return. Sabrina: Ash loses twice and then makes her laugh with haunter, she then gives him the badge. Koga: even though all he talks about is using the dangerous toxic methods, he doesn't use any of them and only uses a friggen goalbat. The list goes on, and this is only the kanto league.

I wouldn't say it's dying, X/Y is pretty good but one thing is for certain - the anime is at the bottom of the barrel.

X/Y got me back into pokemon, a lot of pokemaniacs are getting back into it for nostalgic purposes so no i dont think its dying at all

Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 16, 2013, 05:10
Yeah, ash is the worst pokemon trainer ever. He has like a level 350 pikachu, yet he still loses to the first gym leader in each region and even lost to some guys level 5 snivy.

Hahahahaha....

No wonder why some call Ash's Pikachu "Godchu". A level 350 Pikachu being beaten by a level 5 Snivy? I mean, seriously?

Anyway, regarding the games, the kids that are Pokémon's primary audience will eventually become the fans as they grow up. I mean, Pokémon is a juggernaut. Nothing can stop it.

I'm totally nostalgic for the old anime and while I think the visual style is much better and some of the episodes had a less artificial atmosphere, it hasn't really changed in quality all that much. The only difference is that it's been the same formula for over a decade now.

I don't really care though, the anime was never supposed to make sense. It's just a animated component of the series.

Quote from: Turner on May 11, 2013, 23:03
Let's face it and be realistic here, the anime has ALWAYS been bad. [...]

Thus, the series is an excellent source for YouTube Poops.
And memes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRWzE2avleU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRWzE2avleU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipD93w1BVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipD93w1BVI) (The original)

No, Pokémon is not dying. Why I say so is because there are STILL trolls in Pokémon trades, and thus, there's interest in the game itself! TF2 is not dying because of scams! No! It is not dying because of the value given to those hats (Pokémons)!

"Pokémon Origins" might have been an attempt to approach an older generation to the anime, and this might be a sign of decadence, but it was well played and the new games are actually being enjoyed by a lot of people, as well as PokéDelayBank.

However, whenever those fresh changes start to fail...
-What do you say, Titanic? That it will be the same destiny as yours?

No, it's fainting. Better use a Hyper Potion.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Pokemon is neither dead nor alive. It's a lucrative zombie.

Actually, it's a cowboy, on the steel hose it rides. It's also wanted dead or alive.

Quote from: ShinyBlaziken2000 on February 08, 2014, 20:40
Actually, it's a cowboy, on the steel hose it rides. It's also wanted dead or alive.

I think that the BW games revived interest in Pokemon with older players who left the game for a few years and got back into it. The Unova games really sparked new life into the series not seen since Gen 3 when Abilities and Double Battles were introduced. Gen 4 was basically the same as the previous Gen except with Wi-Fi features and touch screen activities. HGSS also sparked some new interest but once Black and White came out, everything was changed. No older Pokemon until AFTER the Elite Four, version exclusive areas and Gym Leaders, and a much darker and more evil team leader that had never been done before in the games or anime. You dealt with brainwashing, kidnapping (to an extent), actually attacking an innocent Pokemon out of pure spite without using another Pokemon (only one of TWO instances ever to do this, Jessie attacking Seviper is the other), and depections of abuse made the 5th gen the darkest in terms of the story. And then BW2 introduced a new feature where you could make the game easier or harder was also very nice. So I'd say Pokemon will most likely carry on for many more years and even though players may come and go, there will always be enough interest in the series for Game Freak to make more regions and Pokemon.

Most people I spoke to said they skipped B/W and Gen V in general. Gen VI seems to be the game that has gotten all the nostalgic types out of the closet for another go. B/W brought something new to Pokemon but I'm not sure it was what Pokemon needed as we never really saw it again.

There's some kind of league at my town's hobby shop, gonna give it a go soon.

Quote from: MonsterMon64 on February 08, 2014, 09:09
Pokemon is neither dead nor alive.

Prime example of Schrodinger's Meowth