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Title: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 28, 2014, 17:19
Well, basically you tell what you like, don't like, wish hadn't or had been in, what you do and the like in the game.

I kinda hate that there are so many characters because with someone like me, it causes a lot of indecision. However, I do like greninja and duck hunt the most out of the new characters, and Lucario's final smash is awesome. I also loved that extremespeed actually damages others now.

My main is Lucario. I also use Ike, Falco, Fox, and Duck Hunt.

So what about you?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: the bread dragon on December 28, 2014, 17:56
pikachu is still gr8

really do wish I knew more of these characters lmao
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 29, 2014, 03:59
Better than Brawl.  Doesn't have as much speed as Melee, but it has a lot more than Brawl and it's enough that a misstep can be punishing.  Also much easier to edge guard.

I'm enjoying these buffs to Ike though.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on December 29, 2014, 08:32
Better than Brawl, but that isn't hard to accomplish considering what a pile of garbage that was. Smash 4 is fun, and probably the best overall, but it has a lot of problems. Defensive play, especially projectile spam, is rewarded much more than offensive play. If you're playing a character without some form of projectile, I feel sorry for you if you play competitive matches.

The kill edges are also a bit too far, and the characters are horribly unbalanced, though I don't think they were necessarily aiming for balance.

Overall though, lots of fun, I play pretty much every day.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 29, 2014, 22:22
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Defensive play, especially projectile spam, is rewarded much more than offensive play.
If you're saying it's better than Brawl and then saying this then I don't know how you can say it's better than Brawl, because I've still seen a lot of stuff contradicting this.

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the characters are horribly unbalanced
This is apparently not true...  we haven't seen much of any evidence to say that it's unbalanced yet (in fact we've seen it the other way) so this is really dumb to say especially this early in a metagame's development.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on December 30, 2014, 01:04
Well I'm glad you have an opinion.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 30, 2014, 01:20
Raven, he's got a point. The only matches I seem to do good in are ones where I have a projectile that can move at a decent speed since everyone's dodge rolling and playing very defensively online.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 30, 2014, 07:58
Well I'm glad you have an opinion.
Yeah and I'm glad you don't control the metagame, because this kneejerk crap that you seem to have towards every competitive atmosphere is really stupid.  Can't at least let a metagame develop before making sweeping and extreme statements that could have no meaning in a year?  Can't even take time to maybe acknowledge the fact that what you're saying is quite off and instead make a ridiculously condescending comment?

Raven, he's got a point. The only matches I seem to do good in are ones where I have a projectile that can move at a decent speed since everyone's dodge rolling and playing very defensively online.
Probably because you're having a tough time with your approach and you aren't able to punish a dodge roller.  I don't have the technique to do it but when I do it against online people I generally succeed, but if you do it against someone who actually has skill (and I've played competitive caliber people and not just online people) they can punish you easily and game you into things.  I definitely do not see defensive play rewarded in many of the higher level matches I have seen of this game either or based on things I have read, and I have not seen defensive play rewarded any much more than offensive play.  This isn't Melee where there is a huge emphasis on aggressive play and very quick thinking/instinct nor is it Brawl where defensive play is 100% preferred.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on December 30, 2014, 08:30
I forgot how non-condescending "stupid" is when discussing opinions in a topic called "What do you think of Smash ?", you're right. 2500 games of FG with a consistent 92.50% win rate is definitely kneejerk. I must be crazy!
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 30, 2014, 08:36
I don't think you really understood a thing I said in my post.  You're making a sweeping generalization of an entire metagame based on limited experience.  2500 games of for glory doesn't mean much in the grand scheme, especially because for glory is not guaranteed high level play or competitive play like you are claiming.

Besides, making sweeping generalizations that are actually factually incorrect as of the current state of the metagame is not an opinion.  I am not calling the opinion stupid so much as the notion you are portraying - which is the fact that you're making a kneejerk and sweeping generalization of a two month old metagame.  This is not an opinion at this point, this is a statement of fact, which is, as of my typing, incorrect.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on December 30, 2014, 08:47
I keep up with the metagame as well. I discussed what I think about Smash 4. If you don't agree, by all means, feel free to not. In my experience, and from what I know of the game mechanics, I believe defensive play is rewarded more than offensive play. You get so upset about opinions in topics about opinions. Do I have to preface everything I say with "I THINK:" in topics that are very clearly opinionated in the title of the damn thread?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 30, 2014, 08:53
I keep up with the metagame as well. I discussed what I think about Smash 4. If you don't agree, by all means, feel free to not. In my experience, and from what I know of the game mechanics, I believe defensive play is rewarded more than offensive play. You get so upset about opinions in topics about opinions.
Then I don't see where you're getting that from because that's exactly opposite of everything I have read and seen.  You must be sensationalizing things (it being imbalanced as "horribly imbalanced" and the fact that it's actually fairly balanced between offensive and defensive play as "rewards defensive play") if you are saying what you are saying.

It rewards defensive play in the same way that Pokemon Generation 3 rewards defensive play.  In other words, you're bound to see some defensive showdowns and you'll get a game that's over in a few turns because the offenses take over, but you'll also see a lot of balanced games.

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Do I have to preface everything I say with "I THINK:" in topics that are very clearly opinionated in the title of the damn thread?
You're not arguing an opinion at this point.  You cannot just sensationalize reality or state something very incorrect and somehow make it into an opinion.  A sweeping generalization also does not portray reality at all, which is another thing you have made.  Are you one of those people that think Dan Marino would easily throw 6000 yards and 60 TDs in the modern NFL too?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on December 30, 2014, 09:02
Game's okay, kinda dislike how Amiibo's don't seem to do much in it though.

Still adjusting to the Wii U controller atm, and haven't really played much since Greninja was nerfed (coincidentally, not because I didn't like the nerf or anything). Has the same problem as most smash games in that it's quite repetitive and you end up with a load of useless characters where the average player is not going to be able to win with them. Definitely agree with Rich in that the characters are unbalanced, but that happens in every game so yeah.

Loving the introduction of Master Balls though, can make for really fun battles when you only enable them and smash balls xD
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 30, 2014, 09:08
Just because the "average player" can't win with a character doesn't make them useless, and even then there aren't a ton of useless characters - very few pretty bad characters and everyone else is not trash.  The disparity between characters is not big enough that a good player of a worse character cannot beat an average player of a better character.  Same idea in Melee and Project M.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: MonsterMon64 on December 30, 2014, 12:54
I really liked Smash Bros. for 3DS, but I got caught up in other things (mostly life stuff at the time) and have since forgotten about it in favor of other games. Was thinking of picking it up again, but the thought occurs that I'd have to get that big update from a couple months ago (unless there was another one since?) if I wanted to play online/have Amiibo support (I assume?) or whatever else in the future, and I kind of am relucant to do so because that means losing the few battle videos I have. Wish I could just save and upload 'em...

I still have a lot of characters to try out, but my main is pretty much Ness. Donkey Kong is fun in Smash Run, though. I occasionally switch it up with Megaman, who I played as endlessly in the demo. Luigi and Kirby are still faves of mine. I like Mii Brawler but haven't really gotten around to trying the other two Mii Fighters.

Things I DON'T like? So many characters with COUNTER moves. Okay, so like five, but still. I know my complaint kind of amounts to "git gud" but it just feels like in Smash bros in particular, it seems like a lazy cop-out special to give someone imo. I dunno, maybe I'm just annoyed when Shulk does it, since it goes all slow-motion on you to rub it in your face. (inb4 jokes about how I'm not "really feelin' it" )
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 30, 2014, 16:04
Wow, another argument over a topic I started. Didn't see that coming at all. *Rolls eyes*

I honestly thought pacman would've been terrible, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be. The final smash leave something to be desired though.....
 
What do you guys think of streetpass?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: MonsterMon64 on December 30, 2014, 16:39
^The one time I got some Street Passes for this game, I lost terribly because it's been so long since I actually played the StreetPass minigame :-X

And yeah, Pac-Man. I thought he was gonna be boring, but I saw some gameplay of his a while ago and he actually looked kinda fun to play as. Should probably give him a shot, although I've always thought Pac-Man was an odd choice for Smash Bros. Not an unthinkable choice, just odd.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 30, 2014, 17:08
^You know that you can practice, right?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: MonsterMon64 on December 30, 2014, 17:29
^Yeah, but all I could think at the time was "Ooh, StreetPass!" and I wasn't sure if selecting anything else would get rid of the StreetPass challengers. Otherwise I totally would have practiced a bit...

Still, fun mini-game. If I ever get more StreetPasses for it, I'm sure I'll have fun, but most of my time and energy has been spent on the main game. Still trying to beat Classic mode on maximum intensity, unlocking all the achievements, stuff like that.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Sizacu on December 31, 2014, 20:14
Played it yesterday with a friend who owns it, and it's quite fun! I haven't played enough to know for certain who my mains will be, but I think it'll be [Dark] Pit (depending on which differences suit my style more), Little Mac and Ike.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: the bread dragon on January 02, 2015, 16:42
fox is annoying to play against
not because hes good or anything but he won't shut the hell up
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on January 02, 2015, 19:50
fox is annoying to play against
not because hes good or anything but he won't shut the hell up

This but with Shulk.

I mean, I love using him, but him yelling "back slash" and "air slash" repeatedly gets incredibly annoying xD
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: The Macintosh Ninja: SOH CAH TOA on January 02, 2015, 19:54
My brother and I play Smash Run a lot. It has the adventure of Subspace Emissary without all that "find a door to proceed" business. We also play regular Smash here and there, and are for the most part fairly evenly matched. I main Luigi, Mr. Game & Watch, and Jigglypuff.
Yes, some characters are much stronger than others (I'm looking at you Little Mac), but with a game as diverse as Smash Bros, you really can't expect it to be balanced. Project M balanced Brawl, but only after the game was out for 3 years. And even then it took them a little less than 3 years to "balance" all the characters.
So many characters with COUNTER moves.
Marth, Ike, Lucina, Shulk, Little Mac, Palutena (with Custom Moves). Greninja and Lucario have counter-esque moves. Though I agree: way too many counters.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 02, 2015, 20:24
If someone wants to hit me up for a match, let me know.

So, how about Robin, with his draining attack and tomes. What do you guys think of him/her?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Hahex and Oshawott on January 03, 2015, 00:07
If someone wants to hit me up for a match, let me know.

So, how about Robin, with his draining attack and tomes. What do you guys think of him/her?
are you on 3ds or wiiu?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 03, 2015, 00:47
For the record guys, when it comes to quotes, you can backspace it and just only quote part of the reply.

And Hahex, i'm 3DS only.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on January 03, 2015, 02:16
Hated the game. The Circle Pad was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too sensitive and they just HAD to put in the worst character of all time into the game which I refuse to name because said name makes me want to smash the closet thing to me.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 03, 2015, 02:34
^Pretty sure you can adjust that, and plus try saying something positive about the game for once. All we're heard from you ever since the game came out is "Oh, duck hunt's in it. So I hate this game and it makes me wanna throw up".

Back to what I was saying, it's interesting with what the developers did with Robin, making each tome and the levin sword only have a certain amount of uses before you have to cool it off. Wonder why they did that. I would think that it would hinder that character, but it's still cool that they decided to pay tribute to the series.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: the bread dragon on January 03, 2015, 02:47
This but with Shulk.

I mean, I love using him, but him yelling "back slash" and "air slash" repeatedly gets incredibly annoying xD
its not just that fox's voice actor was complete booty too.

i was going to make a what does the fox say joke but combining two annoying things does not make a funny thing.


aside from that its a great game i'm quite bad at it but still fun
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 03, 2015, 03:43
^Yeah, Fox's voice actor was horrid in this game, but it's really one of the only bad things about the game. However I love Lucario's voice actor in this game.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on January 03, 2015, 06:45
^That's another reason I didn't like the game. The voice acting for Capt. Falcon made him sound like Gingka from Beyblade Metal Fusion and way younger than what the guy is supposed be. And the computer AI is horribly broken and cheap even on the lowest difficulty level. I mean it took me about an hour to get Marth and yet it was stupid enough to make Wario fall off the stage literally five seconds into the match. I honestly tried to enjoy the game and found many disappointments. I understand not everyone will agree with me but you have to admit that the voice acting for some of the fighters and the AI are pretty bad. And you asked me what I thought about the game and I told you that I did not like it, so why are you acting like I never gave it a chance. I had it for a month and a half before I traded it in because I felt disappointed with it.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on January 03, 2015, 09:34
Falcon's is the same as Brawl, Falco's/Fox's are different.

The AI is dumb as balls, but it's nowhere near horribly broken.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Inferna on January 03, 2015, 12:49
Is the wii u version okay to play without a gamecube controller? I'm not a competitive player or w/e but from playing since melee i've always prefered the gc controller! The adapters are so expensive right now so it's putting me off getting it until they release more or aren't extortionate. I still have my old gamecube controller so i'm only really needing the adapter and the game.
I only have a wii u gamepad and a wiimote, so would the wii u pro controller be an okay substitute for the time being?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 03, 2015, 15:38
The AI isn't even close to broken. I mean i'm horrible with Kirby yet I got to the master core on 9.0 on the DS version. The AI is dumb as balls, and they will make many obvious mistakes, you just have to know when to exploit them.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on January 03, 2015, 17:11
It literally took me an hour to get Falco unlocked. And I had the game set on the easiest setting. Most of the computer controlled characters kept blocking and using shields on me on the easiest level setting and then suddenly do random stupid things like jumping off the stage. I am serious here. I would call that broken.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 03, 2015, 17:24
^If I remember correctly, they said that the AI would be harder to beat this time (which imo it isn't really). So if it's so impossibly hard to beat, you should be grateful that it jumps off stage, although it's probably not purposely. Plus it's at the lowest level, you should expect it to act stupid like that. Oddly enough, it hasn't done that to me, it has shielded, however.

Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on January 04, 2015, 06:11
Is the wii u version okay to play without a gamecube controller? I'm not a competitive player or w/e but from playing since melee i've always prefered the gc controller! The adapters are so expensive right now so it's putting me off getting it until they release more or aren't extortionate. I still have my old gamecube controller so i'm only really needing the adapter and the game.
I only have a wii u gamepad and a wiimote, so would the wii u pro controller be an okay substitute for the time being?
There is actually a version of the gamecube controller you can plug in via USB instead of having to using the adapter.  The adapter is for people with 4 GCN controllers already (like me) but a Classic Controller is also not a bad idea to use.

A few other things to look into:

http://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Nintendo-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Wii/dp/B00BS520SG
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on January 04, 2015, 10:42
^If I remember correctly, they said that the AI would be harder to beat this time (which imo it isn't really). So if it's so impossibly hard to beat, you should be grateful that it jumps off stage, although it's probably not purposely. Plus it's at the lowest level, you should expect it to act stupid like that. Oddly enough, it hasn't done that to me, it has shielded, however.

Well it kept acting random whenever I played the game. I mean one fight it'd be as gifted as a broken iPod, the next it does nothing but Shield and shoving me off the stage constantly and blocking and countering my every move even while set on the easiest game mode.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: the bread dragon on January 04, 2015, 15:08
AI is easy, i tore it apart and convinced myself that i might not be half bad, then got my face melted online u.u

Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on January 04, 2015, 23:24
The AI is relatively adaptive (as it was in Brawl) but it's definitely not broken.  Broken is like Soul Calibur 3 or 4.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 04, 2015, 23:36
Well then again, Captain Jigglypuff wouldn't know that because he got rid of it after about a month.

So, anything else you guys think is interesting about the new smash?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Heathcliff on January 12, 2015, 10:38
I personally love Duck Hunt, Lil Mac, and Greninja.

Duck Hunt dog has a very decent side smash (side+A; I don't ever play with Final Smash) range, and getting a triple-hit on that can just launch when your opponent has a decent percent. His combos are fantastic--I can pair anything with his Trick Shot to move it along and get a good deal of knockback. Only thing I don't like about him is his down B, since it doesn't ever shoot quickly enough but makes for a fair buffet, and the recovery time after firing the Clay Pigeon.

Lil Mac has bad recovery, especially on that side B fully charged, but the super armor on all his specials make up for that, not to mention his KO meter. When you're too far off FD form though, there's just a hope you can Jolt Haymaker back to the ledge. He's just a flurry of punches though, and I like that power.

I like Greninja mainly because I like Shadow Sneak. I like being able to control my warp. It's especially great for double or even triple KOs in a group smash, when everyone is preoccupied with fighting each other close-range and I slide in for the kill.



Other characters that I admire but have never really made a point to play often: Villager, Shiek, Shulk, Robin, Palutena, Rosalina

The Villager appears very versatile. He's a moderate float already so his double jump is high, if you're off the edge of the screen you can ride Llyod a good distance, then dismount and ride balloons with his up B. I find that to be great recovery. I can't say much because I don't like to float, so I've observed him way more than I've played him. I also like his whole down B system. I think it's creative, but I suppose online competitively it could be a time-waster for a very calculated knockback.

Sheik appears to be faster now. Maybe I never noticed this, but her Needles travel very far, practically the length of the map in FD form. Her down aerial and down B (if the arch is calculated properly) make for great edge guarding.

Shulk's Monado Arts really make it for him. Using each one properly makes him a formidable opponent. Only thing I don't like is Shulk's side smash delay, where I have to wait for the blade of the sword to extend to deal damage, leaving me open for a second when I prefer my smash to be instant when not charged. Or so that's what I gathered when I briefly fought with him.

Robin's down B is real useful. I like that wind meteor strike and it looks like it could make for a mean edge guard. I don't like his side B though, because unlike Ness' PK Fire where it shoots horizontally a distance until it goes off itself or hits a target, Robin blasts his fire magic at a downward angle, so it would take some positioning on my part. His healing down B is a clever dual-action, though.

Palutena has two defensive moves in her arsenal, her Counter and her Reflect. I'm not sure if that's unusual, but it sure is to me. Her Autoreticle (sp?) is pretty spot-on 1v1 as far as I can tell, but since it auto-targets the closest thing and doesn't fire when blocked by obstacles, playing a group and/or on normal stages could make it a bother for me. I like the vertical range of her up smash, though.

Rosalina and her star buddy are the next Ice Climbers, I take it. I think anyone who can manage to volley foes between two characters they themselves control has my regards.



The only character I don't like, both playing and playing against, is Jigglypuff. When that Rest hits you at a certain percentage, it's absolutely over and that's just cheap. It makes Captain Falcon's Falcon Punch look tame.



That's about all I have to say. I'm only "competitive" with my friends, so anything online is out of the question since even I can defeat the CPU on level 9 with my main. It's way different than fighting people who have been playing for years.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Hahex and Oshawott on January 16, 2015, 21:40
Only thing I don't like about him is his down B, since it doesn't ever shoot quickly enough but makes for a fair buffet, and the recovery time after firing the Clay Pigeon.
I think his down b might explode the can from a distance as well. So that could be useful in making setups, but I agree it's a little situational.

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Shulk's Monado Arts really make it for him. Using each one properly makes him a formidable opponent. Only thing I don't like is Shulk's side smash delay, where I have to wait for the blade of the sword to extend to deal damage, leaving me open for a second when I prefer my smash to be instant when not charged. Or so that's what I gathered when I briefly fought with him.
The main part of the blade still has an instant hit box. In fact, I think if you get them with that red part of the Monado they'll be put into hitstun until the laser shoots out.

Monado arts are great. Open up with Speed or buster depending on the weight on your opponent, then proceed to rack up damage. Switch to smash to knock them off the stage, jump to finish them off with a nice edge-guard and then shield when they respawn so you can safely continue racking up damage. That's generally my flow when I use Shulk.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 16, 2015, 21:48
My favorite new character is Duck Hunt and the amount of stupidly crazy Trick Shot KO's i've gotten is insane. Plus clay pidgon spam on a slow big character is fun. About the gunman setting off the can from far away.... I'll have to test that. Sounds pretty interesting.

Edit: It doesn't set it off from far away, but it blasts the can up farther.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Meowstic Royalty on January 17, 2015, 19:50
I've been playing SSB4 way too much recently, maining as Lucario, Meta Knight or the Mii Brawler.

So far, this game is kickass. The solo games are amazing, playing with friends is amazing, I kind of have a love-hate relationship with Smash Runs because they're fun but OH MY GOD THE FRICKIN METROID -

ANGRY SCREAMING

- Ahem -

But yeah, I already love this game. I'm pretty naff at it, can't use most of the characters, but with the Mii Brawler I actually leave a scratch on the opponent.

Even though Meta Knight got nerfed, he's still powerful when you get used to all the weaknesses Nintendo gave him. I do wish the old version of Shuttle Loop though. It was fun to glide, even if I never used it tactically but just for a bit of style.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 18, 2015, 16:56
^You main Lucario too? For me, I like Gunner and Brawler of the Miis. Lucario is still my favorite character, then it's Duck Hunt and lastly Falco. We should battle some time.

Wow, I tried using Lucina and i'm better with her than I am lucario, especially online. Looks like my top 3 is looking like:

1. Lucina
2. Lucario
3. Duck Hunt

In other words, I have a new main.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Hahex and Oshawott on January 25, 2015, 22:17
I hate lucario. Completely wreck him for the first 100% then all of a certain they all start rolling from one side of the stage to the other spamming aura spheres. It's really frustrating to deal with, not because they get good hits in, but because they take so damn long to KO. ES recovery is also completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 25, 2015, 22:53
^That makes me remember the time where I only dealt like 10% without a ko in an online match and I was on my last life and at 130% and I actually rallied and only took about 5% more before winning it.

Speaking of online matches, I was Lucina and faced a jigglypuff and used shield break while its shield was up and it died instead of just becoming dazed. It happened for both lives and I was swearing out like because I was so confused. I guess the other guy wasn't happy and left. Next day I show it to a friend and he tells me that if Jigglypuff's shield breaks, it's an auto ko. Is this true, and why Jigglypuff?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: The Macintosh Ninja: SOH CAH TOA on January 26, 2015, 01:18
…if Jigglypuff's shield breaks, it's an auto ko. Is this true, and why Jigglypuff?
When a character's shield breaks, they do a "shield jump". Ever since the first Smash Bros, Jigglypuff rockets upwards when his/her shield breaks. No real reason has been given though. As a Jigglypuff player, I've learned to avoid shielding against the characters that can poke well.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on January 26, 2015, 02:45
Because Jigglypuff was supposed to be a joke character.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Hahex and Oshawott on January 27, 2015, 17:50
Because Jigglypuff was supposed to be a joke character.
Emphasis on supposed. A good jigglypuff player is downright terrifying o.o
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on January 27, 2015, 18:30
I chose my words carefully, guy.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Spriter on January 27, 2015, 21:39
Got it a couple weeks ago, have really enjoyed it since.

Lucina is my current main; her attacks are pretty decent and she seems to be my best fighter for 8.0+ Classic. Lucario is another main of mine, I use a custom one for Classic which has 1.5x power at 0% as well as the speedy shield recovery - can't recall the other equipment. Shulk was my early main, but that went awry because Lucina's Counter was easier to pull off than Shulk's Vision.

Speaking of Classic, Master Core on 8.0+ is just...ouch. I have reached Master Fortress twice but I got juggled around in the Danger Zones. Other times, Master Edges finishes me off. I have also experienced the rage inducing combination of Crazy Hand's Grab which ends up burying me, before Master Hand spreads the rising platforms on the floor. Never reached further than Edges when I have lost 1 life to said combination.

Not much else I can say really, but I have enjoyed it so far (even though I'm fashionably late to the Smash party).
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: The Macintosh Ninja: SOH CAH TOA on January 29, 2015, 16:56
A good jigglypuff player is downright terrifying o.o
Case in point (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRoYF-p9eks)
Jigglypuff has some decent power, but is easy to send away. She has a nice air game, but with the metagame (let's say for Melee) consisting of mostly heavy characters or characters that have wide hitboxes in their air attacks, Jigglypuff suffers.
Still fun to use though. One of my mains since Melee.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 29, 2015, 20:56
Lucina is my current main; her attacks are pretty decent and she seems to be my best fighter for 8.0+ Classic. Lucario is another main of mine, I use a custom one for Classic which has 1.5x power at 0% as well as the speedy shield recovery - can't recall the other equipment. Shulk was my early main, but that went awry because Lucina's Counter was easier to pull off than Shulk's Vision.

My mains are Lucina and Lucario too. That's very odd. I also don't really use custom besides for Mii's and smash run. For me, Shulk's vision isn't really that hard to use, maybe because most of my top characters are counter characters? Lastly, I beat 8.0 using Kirby. I don't know why, it just happened.

Dr. Mario is actually pretty good this game if used right, because I faced a guy online who terrorized me with him. It was annoying as heck and I never beat him. Then I went to spectate and lost a 1000 coin pot on the last bet due to a sudden death match. >.<
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Spriter on January 29, 2015, 21:01
My mains are Lucina and Lucario too. That's very odd. I also don't really use custom besides for Mii's and smash run. For me, Shulk's vision isn't really that hard to use, maybe because most of my top characters are counter characters? Lastly, I beat 8.0 using Kirby. I don't know why, it just happened.

To clarify, I should have said I found Lucina's Counter to be superior (and more spammable, haha) than Vision.

I'm bad at Classic when it comes to the core, that's all it is I guess.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 29, 2015, 21:15
Wanna know what I find annoying? Palutana's Up A smash. It's so spammable if you can keep under the opponent.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Hahex and Oshawott on January 30, 2015, 15:12
Shulk's counter lasts a lot longer when it's first used though, which often messes up the timing against people who aren't used to playing against him. The grounded fast counter does tons of knockback as well.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on February 14, 2015, 19:41
Guys, you can now share photos, mii fighters and videos. If you find something by someone named Ds, that's me (if you didn't know already). I'm getting better at pictures.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: kindtocrows on February 14, 2015, 20:34
I haven't had the chance to play much yet, so I haven't even unlocked many characters, but so far Robin has been my main. I've tried several others, but not many so maybe that'll change once I unlock a few more characters.

I might have to share a few videos now. My friend and I were playing around with the stage maker and we ended up creating a stage that turned out to be a surprisingly effective deathtrap, so we just put a bunch of cpu's in and watched. It was a lot of fun, so we saved most of the videos.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on February 14, 2015, 20:45
^You do know that you can send videos directly to registered friends. So if we are, send me a few.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on March 15, 2015, 09:44
Was playing this with Richard earlier and we discovered Yoshi's Heavy Egg Roll is completely insanely OP (as in generally, I'm lucky to get rid of 1 stock on his Greninja with Yoshi, add Heavy Egg Roll and I can slaughter him xD It's got like Super Armour, insane damage and Knockback and it's hard to break)
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on March 16, 2015, 00:36
^If you wanna send me some videos, that would be great.

Don't remind me about Rich, the only time I faced him, it was cold blooded murder, and sharp water throwing stars and swords flew around in a blur. I got a couple counters and a dash attack, that's all I could pin on him, for a grand total of 40% damage. Since then, i've been obsessed with learning effective throwing (he used a lot of throws), but Lucina's throws aren't exactly great. xD
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Hahex and Oshawott on April 05, 2015, 15:14
^If you wanna send me some videos, that would be great.

Don't remind me about Rich, the only time I faced him, it was cold blooded murder, and sharp water throwing stars and swords flew around in a blur. I got a couple counters and a dash attack, that's all I could pin on him, for a grand total of 40% damage. Since then, i've been obsessed with learning effective throwing (he used a lot of throws), but Lucina's throws aren't exactly great. xD
Pick up the Crescent Slash Custom Up-B. It true combos from Forward throw up to around 70% and kills if your near enough the stage. It'll take a bit of time to adjust to it, since the recovery angle is dffierent, but it gives you some decent throw follow-up.

Otherwise, Down-thrown true comboes into U-air up to about 15%. Past that you can start setting up landing traps. As your opponent is about to touch the ground, short hop into U-air them then fast fall into the ground. Your opponent responds in one of two ways:
They air dodge into the ground and have landing lag. You should have enough time to grab/dancing blade/f-tilt/u-tilt/d-tilt whatever and get them back in the air. Rinse and repeat.
They get hit. Rinse and repeat.
Obviously, if you get hit by a falling aerial then this doesn't work so you need to be keen with your spacing etc. etc. but that's something you can do from throws.

Also your U-throw kills at about 150-170% depending on rage so there you go.

Lucy's Dash attack sucks.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on April 15, 2015, 22:12
Thanks for that, but i'm on Marth now. ^^;

Also, I got Mewtwo, and his forward throw is op. Without doing any extra damage with it (a grab and straight throw), it does 22 damage. Also, the smash attacks aren't half bad imo. Plus the final smash is pretty good too, but when I tested it, for some reason it does better when you have multiple opponents caught.

Edit: Up throw does 32. We're all doomed
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Hahex and Oshawott on April 16, 2015, 02:26
Thanks for that, but i'm on Marth now. ^^;

Also, I got Mewtwo, and his forward throw is op. Without doing any extra damage with it (a grab and straight throw), it does 22 damage. Also, the smash attacks aren't half bad imo. Plus the final smash is pretty good too, but when I tested it, for some reason it does better when you have multiple opponents caught.

Edit: Up throw does 32. We're all doomed
Everything I said applies to Marth as well. Forward throw can be DI'd to avoid a lot of the damage it seems. Smash attacks are nice enough, up-smash is definitely super cool. Up throw is disgusting, kills fresh at like 140% or something.

But he's always really light and feels weird in the air. I don't think I'll be taking much more time to learn him properly.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on April 16, 2015, 02:31
Thanks for the help. What do you people think about pokemon #150 joining the fight?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Hahex and Oshawott on April 22, 2015, 19:45
Thanks for the help. What do you people think about pokemon #150 joining the fight?
He's got potential but he doesn't really suit me. u-air and b-air have a very nice range to them but it feels like they dont have much knock back, and on the flipside f-air feels very narrow even though it's deadly when it lands. Very cool fighter though, lots of fun seeing combos thrown around with his specials.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on May 04, 2015, 00:03
The final smash is was too good, and the up throw is about as good as the Ness back throw, op as hell.

Anywho, I'm training up to regain my good standing online with Marth, and i'm getting more sword tip hits than I used to.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on May 04, 2015, 11:37
Mewtwo's up smash is fantastic too, just a little awkward to use because he's so tall haha xD combination of side-b, charged shadow ball and up smash can usually kill people from really low percentages
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on May 04, 2015, 21:11
Also, if that doesn't work, Disable + Smash should finish it, or just up throw. Mewtwo's up throw really is good.  :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Inferna on May 05, 2015, 10:42
Got smash for Wii u a few weeks back, didn't get an adapter for the gc controller at first but I hated the game pad so I caved haha.
Really enjoying it though! still like all my old favs like Pikachu, Toon link and Kirby but have liked Duck hunt, ZSS and villager. Not tried any online matches yet, not really that good lol. Had a quick play of most of the new characters, still haven't really tried Palutena, Robin or Shulk yet.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on May 06, 2015, 01:40
The only things I don't like about mewtwo are the lag on the smash attacks (miss with one of those and you're left open, wide open), the floatyness (easily KO'ed), and there's no customs.

What i'm wondering is why did they choose this guy to voice Falco? He's terrible compared to the guy who voiced him in Brawl.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: kindtocrows on May 19, 2015, 03:51
It's been a while since anyone's posted here, but I have a story.

So, my friend was over yesterday and we decided to play Smash for a while, but we both kinda suck at it, so we set up a match where it was just us and no computer players and just practiced. It was mostly just us experimenting with attacks and apologizing when we accidently hit each other. She described it as the most canadian match possible. We did this with a few different characters, but then, we noticed that Dark Pit blushes when grabbed, and things just went downhill from there. Long story short, she now ships Dark Pit and Shulk.

Also, turns out this game is great for getting reference pictures for poses. Not sure why we didn't think of that before. I'll import all the pictures and videos and post any interesting ones to show you guys. Eventually. (You can import pictures and videos via sd card, right?)

Yeah, we pretty much never play the game the way it's meant to be played, but we still have fun.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on May 19, 2015, 09:25
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11203165_1137801142912497_7091353320788343560_n.jpg?oh=bb0e3e9e851a559402b8bbb8eeff6258&oe=5600CEFA)

I think I'm pretty damn good at it.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on May 22, 2015, 00:54
Well, battling a friend at school who isn't near competitive. So it's pretty fun to watch her get a little frustrated when she blows herself up on accident as Link, for the 3rd time in a row.

Plus, just cleared Classic 9.0 as my original main, Lucario. I feel accomplished.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Mistral on May 26, 2015, 02:10
It's pretty good for a handheld, or at least I think it is. I haven't played the Wii U version 'cause I don't own a Wii U, so I can't really give much of an opinion on that. I've enjoyed the 3DS version though, though like any other Smash game, it seems to be more fun with friends once you get done with a lot of the single player stuff. n_n
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 14, 2015, 21:31
So I got the new stages and characters today. I'm really liking how Roy looks in this game and since I fight more up close, i'm probably going to switch my main to him instead of Marth. Ryu's really confusing for me though.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Clairefable on June 14, 2015, 21:46
I'm just going to complain now about how I was maining Roy before it was cool :V

Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 14, 2015, 21:48
It still isn't cool, everyone's probably going to main Ryu. Plus I didn't main anyone in melee because I was too young to really go competitive with it.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Delicious_Scout on June 14, 2015, 21:50
Ryu is more or less like Palutena and Greninja: they either break the meta or are very combo-dependent. The Shoryuken and the Tatsumaki are techniques that require a combo to be used or simply an opportunity, whilst the Hadoken, even being the slowest projectile, can chain a lot of combos. You should play Street Fighter II or IV to understand what I am saying in depth (not I because it is wrong, nor III because, although similar, is the most different from SSB).

I must say that just this addition will make me reconsider to buy a Wii U.

It still isn't cool, everyone's probably going to main Ryu.

I do not think so; Ryu requires the greatest level of skills to use in SSB to the fullest, and, apparently, he lacks a way to approach his opponents safely. We will see how his dodge and shield behave.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Clairefable on June 14, 2015, 21:51
It still isn't cool, everyone's probably going to main Ryu. Plus I didn't main anyone in melee because I was too young to really go competitive with it.

Good. Roy's MY boy.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 14, 2015, 22:05
Wait? Which Roy? Is it this one?

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4UHEFcTEz08RmQdfMeEZolXWwDyAA4D3-Voce2v8TaZ4Hk-lxNYrDdQw)
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on June 15, 2015, 21:12
I'm just going to complain now about how I was maining Roy before it was cool :V


roy is not only bad in melee but he was bad in his own game

thank god he's so much more fun now.  that fsmash is baller
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 15, 2015, 22:21
At full charge on all stars at point blank, his regular special does 140%, which is obscene. My brother has to have items on for him to be able to beat me with his best, Ryu.

I love Roy.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Kerou 犠牲 on June 15, 2015, 22:24
Roy was my main in Melee so if I ever get the chance to play Smash 4 I'll probably use him
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 15, 2015, 22:27
Alex, I used Roy a little bit in main. He's a lot and I mean a lot better now.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on June 18, 2015, 02:12
HA! I said it first that Ryu would be perfect for the game and everyone shot me diwn. Now that he's in the game, can we all agree Goku, Cloud, Riku, Sora, Sephiroth, Akuma, Spyro, and maybe even Crash Bandicoot may show up too?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 18, 2015, 02:17
Ok, FF maybe, but Riku and Sora are owned by Disney, so probably not. Goku would be op af and I dunno about the rest. Too bad you got rid of your copy, so now you can't get Ryu. Oh well, not my circus, not my monkeys.

To anyone who plays as FE Roy: If you can time it right, as the opponent falls towards the edge after you launch them towards the left or the right, charge your neutral special up and use it when they're in range but not grabbing the ledge. It's almost a guaranteed KO if you time it well.

And his critical hit is not an auto KO like Lucina and Marth.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on June 18, 2015, 02:21
None of those guys will show up, because Goku is an anime character first.  The rest of those guys are Sony characters first with almost no appearance in Smash, and I doubt they will make it in smash because Squareenix isn't that closely associated with nintendo.


Also, Roy is my least favorite lord, but he's so much fun.  His final smash is EXACTLY his critical hit animation with the Sword of Seals in FE6, which I thought was pretty awesome.

Quote
I said it first that Ryu would be perfect for the game and everyone shot me diwn.
Yes, and I'm still surprised, but it makes a lot more sense because Street Fighter 4 was a 3DS game.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on June 18, 2015, 02:21
Are you sure I don't have the game now REALLY sure? Perhaps I got another version. And Goku could be just normal Sayian with Spirit Bomb as a Final Smash. I mean Mewtwo could have become a psychotic nightmare with its power and Smash but the programmers toned it down.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 18, 2015, 02:24
They won't do it man. None of those guys are closely connected enough. I'd see Capcom sooner sell the rights to Mega Man over to Nintendo (I hope they do).

Muhed, if that's the exact animation, this game is sounding interesting. What system was it on?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on June 18, 2015, 02:29
Dragon Ball Z games are published by Bandai Namco and they need more of their characters in Smash Bros. Goku is just the second most recognized character they have after Pac Man. Ms. Pac Man would just be a gender swap of the icon and the Ghosts while widely recognized do not have much of a personality outside the 80s Pac Man cartoon or even attacks other than chasing you.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 18, 2015, 02:33
They're a third party company, so Nintendo wouldn't do it (otherwise Tails would be in the game already. Come on Nintendo, do it) Plus DBZ's main attraction is the anime, not the games. Lastly, like I said, even if they put Goku in and toned him down, he'd still be op/broken.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on June 18, 2015, 02:36
Then who else could Bandai Namco put in? They REALLY need someone else in the game now that Capcom has two fighters.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 18, 2015, 02:44
Wait a sec, Capcom has 2 fighters (name them for me)? If so, there's still hope for Tails!
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on June 18, 2015, 02:45
Capcom has Mega Man of course and now Ryu.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 18, 2015, 02:49
By george, I think you're right. There's still hope for us Tails fanboys.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on June 18, 2015, 02:52
It's easy to forget that Mega Man is owned by Capcom. He has so many games on the Nintendo consoles that people forget that he is also in several Capcom cross over fighting games.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 18, 2015, 02:55
I knew Mega Man was Capcom, I didn't know about Ryu. I don't really play Street Fighter.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on June 18, 2015, 03:04
Ryu and Mega Man are two of the most recognized Capcom characters. Chun Li and Akuma are also popular.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on June 18, 2015, 03:10
I don't really play Capcom games, so I don't know a lot about them. I like how Nintendo did the whole original command thing with Ryu, it was really cool.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on June 18, 2015, 04:54
Just because DBZ games are published by Bandai-Namco doesn't mean that Goku would be in by the simple fact that he was an anime character before a video game character.

Anyway, Fire Emblem:  Sealed Sword for GBA, it was only released in Japan.  Here's an animation list:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCePyRiqpyw
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on July 06, 2015, 19:11
^I must get my hands on that game. Even though Roy sucks in it, I want to play more Fire Emblem games.

Something else I love: Use Roy's down throw and it combo's right into a quick side smash or a neutral air. Wash rinse and repeat.

Going back to what dragoncat said, Dark Pit does blush when you grab him. Since Marth in shipping is shipped with every guy under the sun, Marth x Dark Pit is a great pairing.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Sizacu on July 08, 2015, 19:42
Just coming in to say that Dark Pit x Lucas is the way forward...

Also I enjoy playing as Jigglypuff.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on July 08, 2015, 20:13
I dunno why, but there's always a group of like 2-4 characters I cannot play as. Jigglypuff is first on the list. I just can't use jigglypuff, I don't know why.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on July 08, 2015, 20:45
I dunno why, but there's always a group of like 2-4 characters I cannot play as. Jigglypuff is first on the list. I just can't use jigglypuff, I don't know why.

Neither can I, I always shoot of the side of the stage because of his B move xD
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on July 08, 2015, 20:47
I can't really use Charizard or Olimar either. Oddly enough, i'm pretty decent with Rosalina and Luma.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: JSM on July 08, 2015, 22:43
Jigglypuff/Charizard are 2 of the characters I use the most. Palutena is probably my best character though. I should get back into smash I haven't played for a while now xD
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on July 08, 2015, 22:56
I play every day, but mostly just smash run. If anyone wants to face me, i'm up for it.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: JSM on July 08, 2015, 23:04
I'd be up for a game with anyone at some point, I'll probably lose though.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on July 08, 2015, 23:10
If you're fully updated and willing to, I can go right now.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: JSM on July 08, 2015, 23:14
Depends which version you want to play, if it's wii u I can go now, but if it's 3DS you'll have to wait a few days because I don't have my copy of smash with me.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on July 08, 2015, 23:15
Scratch that then, I can only do the DS version.

Meanwhile, i'm surprised at how good Rosalina is if you can get her and the luma in a rhythm.

Edit: I just beat 2 clubberskulls in a single round of smash run.

And a friend found this beauty:

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/2f4d7f3bb00024408d1d4232cf07edb0/tumblr_mpvwfpYyUr1sznmy3o1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Spriter on July 13, 2015, 22:29
I'm loving the variety I have in my mains now.

Ike / Meta Knight / Mario / Villager / Mega Man / Mewtwo / Duck Hunt Duo are all the ones I use right now.

Ike is just strong as hell. Meta Knight has been a favourite for a while, whilst Mario stuck with me after training to use his forward air to meteor opponents. Villager is the bomb - the side smash is stupidly strong, especially when you get it to full charge. Mega Man is just a fun character to use. Mewtwo has one of the best up smashes out there, it KOs a lot easier than most do. Duck Hunt Duo allows me to play with projectiles, whilst that side smash has amazing range.

Also, Toon Link is great.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on July 14, 2015, 16:04
Just had another 2 clubberskull kill smash run round, this time with game and watch.

Plus, I'm fooling around with Rosalina online for glory and i'm actually pretty decent with her.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on July 17, 2015, 10:36
I still think Bandai Namco needs to step up their game and add more of their own characters to the game. I mean as one of the game's main development company, so far only Pac Man represents them. The Mii costumes do not count at all as they do not give the Miis any added moves or significant changes other than appearance. Sega also needs more representation as does Capcom but the latter kinda gets a pass now since Ryu was added. My suggestions for additions for each company are as followed:

Sega- Add Tails with some sort of hovering involving his tails and his inventions, Knuckles with a gliding punch, Alex Kidd, Vectorman, and the guy from Comix Zone.

Bandai Namco- I still say add Goku despite protest from some people mainly due to he's the only other big name in the company's games after Pac Man and the cast of Tekken. Tekken is unlikely to have any representation other than as a Mii outfit. Also add some lesser known characters from the arcade games like Mappy the Mouse.

Capcom- Add Hsien-Ko. I'd say add Felica Morrigan but their default outfits are too provocative for Smash Bros and Hsien-Ko seems to fit better anyway. It would be nice to see a type of zombie in Smash Bros that isn't too scary looking for children playing the game and her grab/air move could be her Guillotine Swing. Think about it: Hsien-Ko falls off the stage and launches her chain which grabs the side of the stage. Her other moves could be juggling knives similarly to Circus Kirby in Triple Deluxe, tossing weapons, the spikes from the ground move she does, and her Smash could be her dropping the giant bomb or dropping large objects from the sky. BB Hood would also be fun to play as since she mainly pulls out unsuspecting objects that are really weapons in disguise. Hood's moveset could involve her giving opponents apples that explode, her Cheer Missle and flame throwers, and of course her basket swing. She could even have her dog attack as one of her Side Smash.

These are just ideas and suggestions
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on July 22, 2015, 17:28
That's dumb.  Stop trying to push this.  It's a nintendo mascot fighter, not a Namdai mascot fighter.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on July 22, 2015, 18:41
I'm with Raven on this one. If they want more of their characters in, make a game like that. Playstation did (although I think they got into some legal trouble with that one.)
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on July 22, 2015, 22:33
I'm just saying with more video game developers involved with Smash Bros, having a few more non Nintendo fighters would diversify the game a bit more and plus we could get some different types of fighting styles never thought of being in Smash such as Hsien Ko being a type of Zombie that actually is kid friendly looking and not as violent as say the Resident Evil zombies or the guy from Comix Zone having a moveset based on his game which would involve tearing a part of the background off as if it were paper. Paper Mario could do the se and nothing like that has been done yet in the series. And you people should be glad that as much as I love Pokemon, I am not making suggestions that say only Pokemon should be added  to the line up. I  actually trying to even out company representation and suggesting who I personally would like to see in the game and make it more interesting. I'd appreciate it if those of you who think I'm trying to spam the line up with "dumb" ideas. Others have thought the same way I have. There are already dumb ideas that are in the current games but no one is pointing those out so why do you keep shooting down my opinions? I do no appreciate that one bit and I haven't liked everyone's opinion here but I'm nice enough to to complain because I know it's a matter of personal opinions. And if I can't say what I like and would like to see in the ges, then why would the title ask for my opinion if it doesn't count? It REALLY hurts that most of my opinions are being tossed aside for being "dumb" and contrary to popular beliefs. Sorry for having my own mind but I think it's not too much to ask for some respect when it comes to my opinions and ideas.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on July 22, 2015, 22:42
They're opinions based on bad information/conclusions in the first place.  This is a nintendo fighter first, and anything non-nintendo is a glorified cameo.  Having more cameos means that you need a lot more nintendo characters to compensate.

We got Ryu alongside three DLC nintendo characters, for reference.  That makes only 3 non-nintendo characters in a cast of around 56.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on July 22, 2015, 23:54
Honestly, I think there's one a few reasons why they even put non-nintendo characters in. Money, popularity, and the fact that they can only put so many characters from nintendo in before they run out. From the looks of it, the latter won't happen make daisy a playable character 2015. Besides for more pokemon or FE characters, I can't really think of anything. So they've got to have something up their sleeves. There will be more nintendo characters, I know that's for sure. Just watch it be splatoon.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: the bread dragon on November 13, 2015, 03:04
make that 4 non nintendo characters!! cloud is here boi
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on November 13, 2015, 03:14
Now will you people just admit that Goku could possibly be included in the future and stop calling me a troll for it and saying it's "a stupid" idea?! I seem to recall that I said Cloud should be in and now he is and that makes TWO characters I suggested that got in even though people tried to make me feel stupid for wanting them to be included. I'm looking at YOU Lord Raven....
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on November 13, 2015, 06:43
I'm not going to dismiss the idea now but you don't need to be a dick and rub it in.

Especially since Cloud was surprising as hell to like 99.9% of the people who saw the thing and I don't know how I feel about it myself.  Nothing about the FF7 compilation has come out for nintendo in any way, shape, or form.  You can't just call us crazy for an idea that was crazy as hell to begin with.

I figured that the myriad of other FF Nintendo characters would be in the game before Cloud and I guess I am wrong.  But how about instead of being spiteful you look back and understand why we dismissed the idea in the first place instead of being trapped in your own little world?

EDIT:  I would like to add that nobody was mocking you.  They were simply dismissing of the idea for good reason.  There is a significant difference.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Del on November 13, 2015, 12:07
nice i bought Smash 4 as soon as I saw Cloud's character model I'm stoked what a day boys
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 15, 2015, 22:35
Bayonetta is in smash. I repeat. Bayonetta is in smash. This is not a drill.

And in other news, Cloud is released today and Corrin from the new Fire Emblem game is being released in February.

I want the lot.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Clairefable on December 15, 2015, 22:41
I am totally not salty about yet another Fire Emblem character when Geno is reduced to a Mii Fighter costume. I'm not upset at all.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 15, 2015, 22:45
My suggestion is a mii costume too. They're using Corrin to promote the new game mainly, I would've rather had someone new (no, not shovel knight. too many shovel knight fans at my school). Geno would've been cool as a character imo.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 15, 2015, 22:51
I am totally not salty about yet another Fire Emblem character when Geno is reduced to a Mii Fighter costume. I'm not upset at all.
one is advertising for a game that is coming out in february, ie more relevant

one is for like a 20 year old game for some dude that was in basically licensing hell for 12 years and most people buying it won't care for geno.  in fact geno wouldn't even be bought, so relegating him to a mii costume would include him in the game without having to use the necessary resources

i don't care for geno either so I'm glad someone else got in.  having that said, since i'm a snob, i wanted ephraim or something or maybe even like wolf but whatever, i'm not about to complain about more characters in a smash game especially when one is Cloud Freaking Strife and the other one has a chainsaw for a sword.  and the other is bayonetta


personally i wanted simon belmont or snake back but the issue is that konami can eat a ripe turd due to their treatment of their previously stellar franchises
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 15, 2015, 23:01
I didn't think Bayonetta would get in because of her......interesting choice of attire for the most part in her games, but looks like Nintendo found a way to solve that problem.

The people who wanted SK are now going to retreat to the depths of the internet to sulk. It makes sense that SK didn't make it because it's an indie game and I don't think Nintendo has ties with the developers of said game.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 15, 2015, 23:21
I didn't think Bayonetta would get in because of her......interesting choice of attire for the most part in her games, but looks like Nintendo found a way to solve that problem.
You're allowed to say it, although the only thing really suggestive about it is the back and I guess that it's tight.  But Bayonetta has been fairly popular on the wiiu and it's not like it's an M rated game being put into a T rated game.

I mean we could basically see the crack of Snake's ass in Brawl but nobody was surprised when he was included.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 15, 2015, 23:46
I'll give you that. I can't wait to try the new characters.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Spriter on December 27, 2015, 21:29
Gonna say I was pretty happy to see who was added. The salty-as-heck reaction was so disappointing though, honestly.

Been brushing up on techniques and improving my game on For Glory. I seem to be able to do much better, but every now and then I end up fighting someone who destroys me.

Maining Yoshi a lot more right now as well as Zero Suit Samus. Yoshi is a fun character to use, and has an awesome up aerial that is fun to combo into.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Clairefable on December 28, 2015, 21:26
one is advertising for a game that is coming out in february, ie more relevant

one is for like a 20 year old game for some dude that was in basically licensing hell for 12 years and most people buying it won't care for geno.  in fact geno wouldn't even be bought, so relegating him to a mii costume would include him in the game without having to use the necessary resources

i don't care for geno either so I'm glad someone else got in.  having that said, since i'm a snob, i wanted ephraim or something or maybe even like wolf but whatever, i'm not about to complain about more characters in a smash game especially when one is Cloud Freaking Strife and the other one has a chainsaw for a sword.  and the other is bayonetta


personally i wanted simon belmont or snake back but the issue is that konami can eat a ripe turd due to their treatment of their previously stellar franchises

Tbh I'm not particularly here nor there about Geno either but it's the principle. It's hard to justify yet another FE character which, unless you know much about the series, looks just the same as the other... five(?) FE characters already in the game.

And if Nintendo and Square are friendly enough these days that Cloud Strife can be in Smash, I don't think that getting the rights to a Super Mario RPG character would be too much of a stretch...

Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 28, 2015, 21:33
I think Super Mario RPG is much more obscure than Fire Emblem at this point.

Roy appeals to the Melee players (as does Mewtwo) and he was a fan favorite if only for that Flade Blade move and all the random pyrotechnics..  Ike was relevant in 2007 when Radiant Dawn came out and people loved him in Brawl.  Marth is a veteran and had a pretty heavy level of involvement in Awakening with Lucina/Robin.  Corrine will be released basically with his/her game, and he also looks way different than all the other guys.

Marth/Lucina are all too similar and I agree that Lucina did not deserve much of a place in this game (but she was also the best advertisement for FE13, because FE fans were wetting themselves with this idea of this mysterious Marth person in FE13, so it makes sense from that perspective) but Roy is far different from these two.  5 of the 6 FE characters are distinct from one another, so we're also getting another unique fighter.

There's also not many characters that are more relevant to newer games than Corrine.  Maybe like Toad...  Although, I'll put out there that FE Fans are pissed about Corrine being in it, so I'm pretty unique in looking forward to him/her.

Someone put forward the theory that Cloud was voted in by Japan (or America), Bayonetta by Europe, and Corrine was put in because Americans kept trying to vote in Goku or Shrek or some stupid crap.  I mean they did it ironically, but I think they were like "screw all this, we'll just put in an FE character cause their game is released in February in the states."  I mean, 15 years later and nobody in Japan's complaining about Roy in Melee despite Melee coming out before FE6.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Clairefable on December 28, 2015, 22:00
I think Super Mario RPG is much more obscure than Fire Emblem at this point.

I'm sure it is, but so what? Punch Out, Mother and Duck Hunt probably are as well. I'm just using Geno as an example; Nintendo have a wealth of IPs they can draw inspiration from. I get that Nintendo are obviously trying to promote FE but we already have three characters introduced in Sm4sh alone. Is that number going to continue to rise when Smash 5 comes along? In comparison, there are "only" nine Mario characters in Sm4sh (ten if you count the Koopa kids), which is the series upon which Nintendo was pretty much built so naturally will be heavily represented. Compared to other series, the ratio of FE characters just seems a little skewed.

My perspective on that one is probably a little biased when everyone knows that Mario is my most favourite games series of all time, but it's also arguably the most famous.

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I mean, 15 years later and nobody in Japan's complaining about Roy in Melee despite Melee coming out before FE6.

I'm sure they would be if there were already five other FE characters in the games already at that point.

I don't have an issue with the characters themselves (Roy's MY boy), I guess I was just hoping for something a little more... unexpected? I'm not even going to pretend I wouldn't love Goku in Sm4sh. The internet is crying out for Ridley. I would love to see Skyward Sword Impa, or Kumatora from Mother 3. It was just a bit disappointing to have what looked to be more of the same I suppose. But I will reserve final judgement until the character is released... Corin/ne would well be a new favourite!
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 28, 2015, 22:14
I'm sure it is, but so what? Punch Out, Mother and Duck Hunt probably are as well.
I don't know about Duck Hunt but Punch Out was re-released for the Wii somewhat and I think it sold well.  I guess Little Mac was also someone they could make unique.

Ness is a mainstay from the original and Lucas is a favorite from Brawl.

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I'm just using Geno as an example; Nintendo have a wealth of IPs they can draw inspiration from. I get that Nintendo are obviously trying to promote FE but we already have three characters introduced in Sm4sh alone. Is that number going to continue to rise when Smash 5 comes along? In comparison, there are "only" nine Mario characters in Sm4sh (ten if you count the Koopa kids), which is the series upon which Nintendo was pretty much built so naturally will be heavily represented. Compared to other series, the ratio of FE characters just seems a little skewed.
Yes, but are there many other Mario characters to choose from?  What about Zelda?  Wolf Link is the only other Zelda character I can think of that people would buy, Toad is the only other Mario character.  I don't think that many people played Super Mario RPG and it's also a game from the 90s that didn't really see anything in Melee.  Truth be told I think Melee was just about where Geno's window had passed.  Smash is part advertising in the end.

Contrast to Mother 3 which came out in 2006 in Japan.  I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some lobbying from IS to put in Corrine as DLC.

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I'm sure they would be if there were already five other FE characters in the games already at that point.
For Roy?  No. For Corrine, it partly makes sense because people aren't liking what they hear about Fates, because apparently Corrine is very Mary/Marty Stu-ish.

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I don't have an issue with the characters themselves (Roy's MY boy), I guess I was just hoping for something a little more... unexpected? I'm not even going to pretend I wouldn't love Goku in Sm4sh. The internet is crying out for Ridley. I would love to see Skyward Sword Impa, or Kumatora from Mother 3. It was just a bit disappointing to have what looked to be more of the same I suppose. But I will reserve final judgement until the character is released... Corin/ne would well be a new favourite!
I don't think Goku would fit in with the cast myself (besides doesn't Ryu have a Goku uniform anyway, come on ppl use ur imagination).  I don't think they could make Ridley really fit. Skyward Sword Impa would work but I don't know how different it would be from Sheik.  I think Lucas only got clamoring in the end because of his appearance in Brawl, so I don't think a Mother franchise would work here either.

Though truth be told, it's Lucina I personally have an issue with when all is said and done, the other 5 are fine.

I think they should've updated with costumes somehow.  Not like some five dollar DLC cause I really don't want to deal with that nonsense but you know, stuff like Ike with his Vanguard uniform, maybe give Sheik a SS Impa costume, etc.  I mean, we have like 6 different Koopalings, two different Robins (and Corrines by extension), two different Clouds, two different Olimars, etc.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 28, 2015, 22:44
Quite honestly, if they take 4 of Marth's costumes and pulled a Robin with Lucina, i'd be cool with it (as long as the yellow costume is one of the 4 that stays).

Either way, I'm really enjoying Cloud and i'm likely going to stop using Marth as much as I usually do and pick Cloud up in his place. Fox is still my top spot.

That leaves Fox and Cloud as mains with Marth, ZSS and Lucario as sides.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 28, 2015, 22:47
Ditto with Pit and Dark Pit.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 28, 2015, 23:02
The pits actually do play slightly differently to be honest.

Wait a sec, there's two pits? Better nerf greninja.  :laugh:

But seriously, greninja has been nerfed to hell and back. At least mewtwo got buffed up and can finally kill things with its up air, and the hitboxes finally got less broken (in the bad sense, not the godly good sense).
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 28, 2015, 23:24
Pit and Dark Pit only different in their ftilts and their specials.  Lucina and Marth differ in sword sweet spots.  Lucina and Marth are much more different than Pit and Dark Pit.

Also, Mario/Dr. Mario should've been that way too, although they have a bunch of other differences in what their moves do.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 28, 2015, 23:28
I see what you mean with that. I mean Dr. Mario and Mario are both pretty different. One can recover and the other has a PhD.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Lord Raven on December 29, 2015, 00:00
dr mario is a doctor of medicine, not philosophy
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on December 29, 2015, 00:04
I suppose you would know about that, I mean you are working towards that sort of thing.

What are your thoughts on Cloud?
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on January 30, 2016, 00:55
Cloud's pretty good, but his recovery is so bad that I just play him the same way as I play Little Mac; wait for his approach, throw him off stage, and gimp him.

Cloud is much better than Mac, of course, and has a ton of potential, but I think his potential to be gimped is too bad to allow him to be a top tier. Still a character to be prepared for.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on January 30, 2016, 01:08
Meanwhile back in Ohio, after playing a bit of Ike with my friend, I get over my delusion of Cloud's killing power. He can't kill well, and I can't play rushdown like I do with Fox, so yeah. Still using both. Plus my ds broke so I couldn't practice for a month until my friend got me a gamecube adapter for an early birthday present. Either way, I was will better off than greninja.

So in conclusion, fox and cloud are both lightish, one can combo and kill, the other knocks away, and I still lose to an air fighting little mac. Yes, you read that right. This is what happens when i'm rusty, and never fight a little mac. Still pathetic.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on February 04, 2016, 07:14
Bayonetta and Corrin are out today!

After spending 5 hours play-testing with a friend that does competitive Smash, Corrin is actually really scary. The lance into the ground gives them so many options.

Bayonetta seems complicated, it's really hard to determine how good she is at the moment. I feel like it'll be a Ryu situation where no one knows how good they are until someone masters them and starts dominating with them (Trela), so we'll see.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on February 05, 2016, 02:38
Here is my initial analysis of both characters. Please note that I haven't been able to play either of them due to the lack of money.

Corrin

Finally, a character with a decentish counter. As said before, the lance gives Corrin many options to follow up and almost provides a mix-up game for him (or her if you're using Corrine). The attacks are strong and the novelty of being part dragon is very cool in my opinion. Something that intrigues me is the standard special mouth cannon. The projectile paralyzes, but up close, the dragon mouth can do damage and even KO. That will be fun to play around with. If there is one thing that concerns me, it's that from what I have seen that the up special isn't great for recovery, so recovering as Corrin may be a tad more difficult that you would expect. I dunno, I could be wrong. Corrin will have a mid tier absolute basement in my opinion and easily be the best option from the Fire Emblem series if you're looking for something tiered a little higher.

Bayonetta

Now here's where things can get a bit hairy (get it?). Bayonetta seems like a character that will require precise timing (wow, there's another) and will be heavily combo based, a lot like what Ryu requires. She will have an extreme learning curve and is not for the faint of heart or for those with very little patience. Witch Time if used right will be better than any mere counter (looking at you Corrin), as it will allow you to basically get a free combo. No one will know how to use her until some steps up, puts in the hours and then turns around and murders most of the competition with her (as Trela did with Ryu. Hell, he had Nairo on the ropes in a 2-1 count before losing the next two to his ZSS). Then people will realize how great of a character she is and main her in droves. Something tells me that she will fight her way and knock Rosaluma from the S tier she was put in by the first tier list by Smashboards (which was released 2 days before Corrin and Bayonetta). Who knows, Sheik may finally have some competition.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on February 06, 2016, 19:32
I'm actually wondering where Shantae placed in the ballot? She would have been interesting to use in battle if they let her have a couple transformation dances for certain moves and the Pirate weapons as part of her Smash moves. Her Final Smash could have even been her using the lamp from Pirate's Curse to suck her opponents into the lamp where massive damage occurs or have Risky show up in a huge pirate ship and start firing large cannons at other players.
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: SirBlaziken on February 06, 2016, 19:42
Let me level with you real quick. Shantae wasn't that viable of an option, as before the Pirate's Curse, no one knew who she was. She would've been a cool addition, but she wasn't as much of a viable option as say, Bayonetta or even Ryu (who you stated would make it in the game. nice work on that prediction).
Title: Re: What do you think of Smash 4?
Post by: E.K.A.N.S. on February 21, 2016, 10:19
I like the game especially because of the Smash Run feature. However I don't have a Wii U and it's a shame that there are a few skilled players on 3ds for glory. Since the new characters came out everybody will be using them on for glory and won't be so good right off the bat.