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General Category => General Pokémon Discussion => Topic started by: SirBlaziken on June 12, 2014, 02:15
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This is where you tell about the moves that pokemon should know but don't have. You can also say moves that seem odd for a pokemon to have.
For me, why does Xerneus not have earth power? I mean you're going with the geo theme here, plus it would cover weaknesses. It makes so much sense.
Edit: *Realizes title is typed wrong* *Facepalms*
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why doesnt latias get aromatherapy just ughhhh why
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Why doesn't Magikarp learn Roar of Time? It just makes sense.
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Why doesn't Carbink learn any decent fairy moves? I hate it when Pokemon don't learn any good moves from their own type.
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Why doesn't Carbink learn any decent fairy moves? I hate it when Pokemon don't learn any good moves from their own type.
Carbink learns Moonblast, the best special Fairy type move there is (Hyper Voice is Normal, get out trolls D:<)
But on the topic of Fairies not getting Fairy moves... WHY doesn't Dedenne get Moonblast, or even Dazzling Gleam?! Dazzling Gleam even makes contextual sense with it being an Electric type ._.
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Yeah but that's not v.useful when you want to use it IG and it's only like level 19 and you just want a move with about 15-20 PP without 60 power and 100 accuracy.
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It also gets Dazzling Gleam via TM, so there's that. But overall, Carbink attacking is about as threatening as throwing feathers xD
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Even though haunter and gengar both have arms, explain to me how gastly uses sucker punch please. Same with murkrow and honchcrow.
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How come Inkay and Malamar do NOT get Octazooka? I mean they are in the same Egg group as Octillery and are both squids WHICH also produce ink naturally.
All the feline type Pokemon should have access to Pay Day.
Hitmonchan should get Meteor Mash since it technically get a boost from Iron Fist.
Powder should be given to all the moth and butterfly type Pokemon with the exception of Volcorona in which case Fire moves are pointless to be used on it.
Machamp should definitely have access to Arm Thrust.
Camerupt should have Heat Crash.
Sharpedo should get Beat Up.
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Why doesn't Sableye learn destiny bond? It's like the ultimate dirty trick which would suit is so well contextually.
Also Gyarados needs Crunch. Is it really only capable of a 'bite'?
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Sludge Wave should be an Egg Move for Gastly as all the special Dream World moves on their respective Pokemon.
Sableye should get Beat Up
Gallade should get Sacred Sword
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Hitmontop should have Topsy-Turvy since, like Inkay, it battles upside-down.
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Hitmonchan learns Hi Jump Kick, yet it doesn't get Sucker Punch? Last time I checked, it was the punching pokemon, not the kickboxing pokemon.
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Sucker punch means "an unexpected punch or blow". It does not literally have to be a punch.
EDIT: I just looked it up and it doesn't even count as a punching move for Iron Fist.
This for example prevents Hitmonchan from getting the Iron Fist bonus when using Sucker Punch via Metronome or Mimic, or if a Sucker Punch Pokémon acquires the Iron Fist ability through Skill Swap or Role Play. Otherwise, there are no Iron Fist Pokémon that learn Sucker Punch.
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Hitmonchan SHOULD get Poison Jab since the move CAN be used as a punch attack as shown by Croagunk and Toxicroak in the anime.
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I know Drowzee and Hypno get access to Dream Eater through TMs or Move Tutor, but what, it's been six whole generations and it still has no access to it via level-up? I don't get it.
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Erm.... how does Lucario use water pulse? Anyone?
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don't think anyone mentioned Haxorus not being able to learn a decent fire attack.
With the except of Dragonite and Altaria, I always use my dragons as back-up fire types on my teams and I was so profoundly disappointed with Haxorus. At least Flamethrower... but no.. although I see now that in gen VI they made Incinerate a slightly stronger attack but still.
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I know Drowzee and Hypno get access to Dream Eater through TMs or Move Tutor, but what, it's been six whole generations and it still has no access to it via level-up? I don't get it.
That's probably because Nightmare is on Hypno's level-up move list (though you'll need to use the move relearner) and they didn't want to put both moves on. On the other hand, the Pokédex entry says that it eats dreams, so this does seem to be a glaring omission.
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Why would Herdier and Stoutland have an Ability that works ONLY in a Sandstorm and NOT be able to use the move? Seems a bit pointless to have in a single battle since Lillipup's most useful Ability in my opinion is Pickup. (More useful for getting Rare Candies, Moon Stones, Sun Stones, and other rare Evolution items in BW)
Blaziken should get V-Create based on its forehead shaped like a V and as an Event or Move Tutor.
Vespiquen should get Beat Up since it has minions as seen in all of its Order moves
This may seem odd but Banette should get Baby-Doll Eyes since it IS a doll and Dark Pokemon pose some of Mega Banette's biggest threats. It should also get Cotton Guard in its moveset line up either by Level Up or Move Tutor
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This may seem odd but Banette should get Baby-Doll Eyes since it IS a doll and Dark Pokemon pose some of Mega Banette's biggest threats. It should also get Cotton Guard in its moveset line up either by Level Up or Move Tutor
It gets it. There was a dream world event for it back in Gen 5.
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^Yes, but he said as a MT or level up move. That's why he included it.
I'm a bit surprised that shiftry doesn't learn Leaf Blade, and I don't think that Quilladin or Chesnaught get needle arm as a level up move iirc.
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Ambipom should get Tail Slap either by Egg or Level Up.
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Ambipom should get Tail Slap either by Egg or Level Up.
But why? Its tails function as hands.
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You SLAP things with your hands AND Ambipom has access to Skill Link and it would be a STAB for it.
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I went to my standard "Flareon should get Flare Blitz ;_;" moan and then I remembered.. I love remembering <3
I don't think that Quilladin or Chesnaught get needle arm as a level up move iirc.
They do, Quilladin learns it at lv 26.
Also on the Sucker Punch thing, it's probably a case of translators not doing their research - in Japanese it's effectively called "Ambush", which makes a lot of sense! And a sucker punch is kinda an ambush so they went with that, despite things like Murkrow learning it.
Agreed on Gyarados getting Crunch. I'm sure there are others I frequently bemoan, but I'll have to have a ponder o:
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I think Blissey and Chansey should get moonblast and fairy typing. It would make a lot of sense.
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I think Blissey and Chansey should get moonblast and fairy typing. It would make a lot of sense.
I agree. I was actually surprised that they along with Audino and Happiny, were still Normal! Audino looks like a Fairy type!
And on a sidenote, Flareon DOES learn Flare Blitz.
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Thought of something else. If the Pokedex is constantly saying that Arbok's markings vary from region to region, why doesn't Game Freak give it different markings for each country like Vivillion?
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Why doesn't Gengar get Shadow Force?
Yes, I know that:
A) Its exclusive to Giratina
B) It would be totally useless
But look at this
(http://i.imgur.com/187YNKQ.jpg)
It is literally the SHADOW POKEMON.
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^I have always thought that Shadow Sneak was essentially the same thing as Shadow Force but weaker in power and without most of the additional effects.
How can Stunky and Skuntank learn Explosion and the Munchlax found on the PokeWalker Route Winner's Path learn Self-Destruct? It doesn't make sense to me at all.
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How can Stunky and Skuntank learn Explosion and the Munchlax found on the PokeWalker Route Winner's Path learn Self-Destruct? It doesn't make sense to me at all.
I think it's a case of eating too much and then exploding.
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Stunky and Skuntank emit gases, which they could probably control into blowing up.
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I have always thought that Shadow Sneak was essentially the same thing as Shadow Force but weaker in power and without most of the additional effects.
Well.... it's not. Shadow Force is a 2 turn move and goes through protect, Shadow sneak does none of that but has priority.
A bit surprised about the many things that learn Thunder Wave, like Liepard. How would that work?
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Well.... it's not. Shadow Force is a 2 turn move and goes through protect, Shadow sneak does none of that but has priority.
A bit surprised about the many things that learn Thunder Wave, like Liepard. How would that work?
I think he meant more in terms of what it is, like as in what the move would entail the pokemon doing. He acknowledged that in terms of mechanics they differ a lot.
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Well.... it's not. Shadow Force is a 2 turn move and goes through protect, Shadow sneak does none of that but has priority.
A bit surprised about the many things that learn Thunder Wave, like Liepard. How would that work?
I meant Phantom Force. i keep getting the names Shadow Sneak and Phantom Force mixed up.
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Why doesn't Heracross have Fly? I saw Heracross fly in the anime. Plus it would be so much easier if at least one Pokemon on my Emerald team could Fly me to the Battle Frontier. I'm tired of going to the PC and putting Rayquaza in my party every time I wanted to Fly somewhere
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^With the over abundance of Bug/Flying types out there, you think at least ONE could learn Fly namely Yanmega. The ONLY two Bug type Pokemon capable of learning Fly aren't even Flying types!
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^With the over abundance of Bug/Flying types out there, you think at least ONE could learn Fly namely Yanmega. The ONLY two Bug type Pokemon capable of learning Fly aren't even Flying types!
Yanmega has spiky fins on the top which would make it hard to ride, and while it is over 6 foot long, it is still quite slender and might not support the weight of a human while in flight. Compare this to Volcarona, which is just over 5 foot but is a lot wider and rounder and is one of the 2 that does get Fly. The remaining bug type that gets Fly, Genesect, is also quite bulky.
As to those 2 not having the flying type.. Volcarona would clearly be a flying type if it could be 3 types. Older Pokémon such as Flygon were simply given the Levitate ability, but for newer Pokémon they would rather use a more "interesting" ability (examples are Mega Charizard X and Mega Altaria from OR/AS). Genesect doesn't have wings, but it would probably use a jet pack or something.
My biggest issue with Pokémon that learn Fly are the lowest evolutions of the bird Pokémon, such as Pidgey, Spearow, Fletchling etc. At one foot long, how on earth are you supposed to ride those?
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The chikorita line can't naturally learn giga drain. Not even through breeding. WHY? You have to teach them it through move tutor in BW2, that's stupid.
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My biggest issue with Pokémon that learn Fly are the lowest evolutions of the bird Pokémon, such as Pidgey, Spearow, Fletchling etc. At one foot long, how on earth are you supposed to ride those?
Surf can be like this too - how the hell does one surf on a Psyduck? xD
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Why doesn't Electrode get rapid spin? It's like.... A ball... That spins xD
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I will combo break this whole topic by asking...
Why don't the Eeveelutions get any moves!
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Just looked up Eelektross. It's can't learn any water moves except aqua tail!? IT LIVES IN THE OCEAN. Bloody Emboar can learn scald but not Eelektross?
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My biggest issue with Pokémon that learn Fly are the lowest evolutions of the bird Pokémon, such as Pidgey, Spearow, Fletchling etc. At one foot long, how on earth are you supposed to ride those?
probably something like this
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4FBKsOPQdeg/ThvT6C1PByI/AAAAAAAAAEA/ZS0-gtucIfA/s1600/spearow-fly.jpg)
or you get ti to try to carry you i guess? it's weird. fly me to the moon tiny birb
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Surf can be like this too - how the hell does one surf on a Psyduck? xD
Probably on one foot?
Why doesn't Electrode get rapid spin? It's like.... A ball... That spins xD
Maybe it doesn't like spinning? Might make it explode perhaps.
Just looked up Eelektross. It's can't learn any water moves except aqua tail!? IT LIVES IN THE OCEAN. Bloody Emboar can learn scald but not Eelektross?
Well, it is a pure electric type. It does get Rain Dance though, which is technically water type.
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The elemental monkeys get Play Nice but not Play Rough. I'd say it has something to do with Play Rough's Japanese name ("Frolic", apparently) but then how do you explain something like Skrelp getting it as an egg move? The monkeys probably have better things to do, anyway, but Play Rough isn't on nearly enough Pokemon as it is. Frolicking monkeys ftw?
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Just found out Garbodor can't learn Poison Jab, forcing it to rely on gunk shot. That makes no sense. it even has a massive arm for jabbin'.
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Why doesn't Togetic learn Moonblast?
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machamp should get close combat. not that it needs it, it just makes sense
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Why doesn't Togetic learn Moonblast?
It's a bit of a loose reason, but I'd say it doesn't have a connection with the moon, same reason it doesn't learn Moonlight. Also, I don't think they wanted to change this Pokémon too much when they added the Fairy type.
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Why can't Charizard learn Fly?
It has wings so it is likely that is could be able to learn it, isn't it?
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*States Generation I can not be hated*
*Does not know that Charizard can learn Fly in Yellow, Gold, Silver, and Crystal (the three latter by transfer)*
All right... why can Regirock not learn, at least, Recover? In its PokéDex entry (Ruby), it is stated the following:
Regirock was sealed away by people long ago. If this Pokémon's body is damaged in battle, it is said to seek out suitable rocks on its own to repair itself.
WHY!
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Why can't Charizard learn Fly?
It has wings so it is likely that is could be able to learn it, isn't it?
Here's a clearer explanation: Charizard can learn Fly in all games except Red/Blue (Green?), but even in those games it can obtain Fly by trading from Yellow, Gold, Silver or Crystal.
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Here's a clearer explanation: Charizard can learn Fly in all games except Red/Blue (Green?), but even in those games it can obtain Fly by trading from Yellow, Gold, Silver or Crystal.
Yes, I was talking about Red/Blue
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Yus, I was talking about Red/Blue
I'd call it a mistake that was corrected in later versions.
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Maybe it doesn't like spinning? Might make it explode perhaps.
But it, like, rolls around, all the time (If you've played PokePark: Pikachu's Adventure, you'll meet a Voltorb in the Haunted Zone and you'll see him rolling around inside one of the rooms in the mansion). Rolling is kind of like spinning forward, instead of spinning around. And Electrode's super fast, so it probably spins at fast speeds.
Oh yeah, speaking of Electrode why doesn't Electrode learn Overheat? I mean, if you've ever played Super Smash Bros Brawl, when Electrode appears on the stage it starts heating up until it finally explodes. It should learn the move then, plus it would be nice if Electrode had at least one Fire type move if it doesn't already
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But it, like, rolls around, all the time (If you've played PokePark: Pikachu's Adventure, you'll meet a Voltorb in the Haunted Zone and you'll see him rolling around inside one of the rooms in the mansion). Rolling is kind of like spinning forward, instead of spinning around. And Electrode's super fast, so it probably spins at fast speeds.
Ok then, I'll say that its spin is not capable of providing the effect that Rapid Spin gives.
Oh yeah, speaking of Electrode why doesn't Electrode learn Overheat? I mean, if you've ever played Super Smash Bros Brawl, when Electrode appears on the stage it starts heating up until it finally explodes. It should learn the move then, plus it would be nice if Electrode had at least one Fire type move if it doesn't already
I imagine that's just part of the Explosion process.
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Ok then, I'll say that its spin is not capable of providing the effect that Rapid Spin gives.
Oh okay. Rapid Spin is when the pokemon spins at super speeds to get out of Leech Seed, etc. I guess since Electrode is round with no appendages it can't wriggle any body parts out of a binding attack. Since it's round and even it's probably easy for a binding attack to grip it
Parasect should learn Cotton Spore.
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I'm surprised that Volcorona doesn't learn Attract. I mean you'd think it could since it is a Fire type and burning fire draws attention which is pretty much what Attract does.
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^Especially since practically everything else learns it
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^ I know, right? I mean even Crygonal can learn Attract and it's GENDERLESS! Also a bit surprised that Staryu and Starmie can't learn it either since they can have the Ability Illuminate which is ALSO for attracting Pokemon but they get a free pass since they don't have genders. The only OTHER gendered Pokemon that don't get to learn Attract are the much weaker Bug Pokemon like Caterpie and Combee.
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The only OTHER gendered Pokemon that don't get to learn Attract are the much weaker Bug Pokemon like Caterpie and Combee.
Wobbuffet says no to that.
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^Wobbuffet isn't nearly as strong as you would think. I mean if you keep using status moves on yourself or attacks like Poison Powder or Leech Seed and slowly make it lose HP and don't use any attacks that do direct damage, Wobbuffet can't do a thing. I mean sure it has Safeguard but a few Toxic Spikes won't protect Wobbuffet if it switches in. Also Crunch makes fast work of the blue blob.
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^Wobbuffet isn't nearly as strong as you would think. I mean if you keep using status moves on yourself or attacks like Poison Powder or Leech Seed and slowly make it lose HP and don't use any attacks that do direct damage, Wobbuffet can't do a thing. I mean sure it has Safeguard but a few Toxic Spikes won't protect Wobbuffet if it switches in. Also Crunch makes fast work of the blue blob.
I never said anything about it being strong, just its inability to learn Attract (while having a gender), which are completely different things.
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Jigglypuff, Raphetty has a point here.
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Wobbuffet is usable though, don't hate <3
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I'm not hating Wobbuffet. I agree it DOES have it's uses but it isn't that great competitively. In order to win online or locally with friends, Wobbuffet needs to wait for a move that directly hits it in order to cause damage. The problem is that most people would see right through the plan and use status moves until Wobbuffet is forced to use Mirror Coat or Counter. And unless you have Encore and Charm from when it was a Wynaut, your moveset is predictable.
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I mean even Crygonal can learn Attract and it's GENDERLESS!
I know and I have always wondered - which gender does it work on? :???
Does it work only with other genderless Pokémon or something? :o
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^Attract on Mew and Crygonal works on other Genderless Pokemon like Shedinja and Palkia.
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I thin Unown learning Secret Power could kinda make sense because of Hidden Power, if it's hidden, it's likely a secret.
But that's just my thinking.
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For some reason, Emolga can't have Fly.
He's a FLYING SQUIRREL. He's not supposed to FLY!? He's even FLYING type!
All the butterflies and bees should also have Fly.
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For some reason, Emolga can't have Fly.
He's a FLYING SQUIRREL. He's not supposed to FLY!? He's even FLYING type!
All the butterflies and bees should also have Fly.
If a Pokémon can learn Fly it implies that the trainer can ride the Pokémon while it's flying, if that would not be possible for whatever reason, it won't be able to learn Fly. Yes, this calls into question Pokémon such as Pidgey and Pidove since they are so small, but on the whole it is not right to assume that all flying types should learn Fly.
Also, some Pokémon are better at flying than others, I would say that Gyarados and Emolga have less flying ability than say Pidgeot, though the flying insects are an exception to this.
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If a Pokémon can learn Fly it implies that the trainer can ride the Pokémon while it's flying, if that would not be possible for whatever reason, it won't be able to learn Fly. Yes, this calls into question Pokémon such as Pidgey and Pidove since they are so small, but on the whole it is not right to assume that all flying types should learn Fly.
Also, some Pokémon are better at flying than others, I would say that Gyarados and Emolga have less flying ability than say Pidgeot, though the flying insects are an exception to this.
In short, the only Flying type who CAN'T fly is Gyarados.
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How about a reverse one? How exactly does Dodrio use Tri-Attack? I've never understood that move. It's cool, but like... nothing else about the bird other than it having three heads implies an ability to shoot fire, ice, and lightning. For that matter, Magneton as well. Nothing would imply it can use ice (as it gets no ice moves naturally). Dugtrio gets it as a tutor move as well and can use none of those types of attacks.
It's always just been a weird move to me. Makes it seem like grouping three things together gives them the ability to fire off ice, fire, and lightning, no matter what those three things are, as long as they're all the same.
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In short, the only Flying type who CAN'T fly is Gyarados.
What about Mantine? It has been shown to soar out of the water and into the air before.
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Buizel and Floatzel with Razor Shell. Am I the only one that sees Buizel and Floatzel striking with a watery blade extending from their elbow (where the fins are). Isnt Razor Shell the water type equivalent to Leaf Blade?
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Also, some Pokémon are better at flying than others, I would say that Gyarados and Emolga have less flying ability than say Pidgeot, though the flying insects are an exception to this.
On this note, how the hell does Dodrio even fly? Like, is it just me or does it look kinda flightless? xD
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And, for some reason, Emboar can have SCALD.
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I wonder why Trubbish/Garbodor learn Stockpile and Swallow but not Spit Up.. maybe whatever it stockpiles becomes part of its body..
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I think the Gardevoir line should get Aura Sphere. I get that it was pretty much exclusive to Lucario and a few legendaries at one point, and I know it's still not particularly common but now we have water-types of all things launching Aura Spheres about. A handful of psychic-types should be in on that action for sure.
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I think the Gardevoir line should get Aura Sphere. I get that it was pretty much exclusive to Lucario and a few legendaries at one point, and I know it's still not particularly common but now we have water-types of all things launching Aura Spheres about. A handful of psychic-types should be in on that action for sure.
Plus if a male Ralts/Kirlia learned Aura Sphere and then evolved into a Gallade, it'll get a STAB.
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I'm sure that it has already been said, but Excadrill desperately needs to be able to learn Iron Head by some means other than via Tutoring, because come Gen 7, he'll be stuck without it again.
I mean at least via breeding!
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I think that Roar of Time should be an event move for Celebi due to it being able to traverse through time with ease. Plus it is basically the ONLY move that deals with the concept of time itself. Also Machamp NEEDS Arm Thrust. I mean that thing is basically made for the attack considering Arm Thrust is just the user launching its arms and hands at full speed and Machamp can apparently pull over a hundred punches per second.
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I think that Roar of Time should be an event move for Celebi due to it being able to traverse through time with ease. Plus it is basically the ONLY move that deals with the concept of time itself.
It's the ROAR part of the move that Celebi has trouble with.
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Jigglypuff needs to learn Hyper Voice and Echoed Voice. Maybe even Relic Song since it likes to sing. Or Boom Burst.
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Jigglypuff needs to learn Hyper Voice and Echoed Voice. Maybe even Relic Song since it likes to sing. Or Boom Burst.
In 6th gen it learns Hyper Voice by level-up and Echoed Voice by TM.
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You know, let me check to see if Goomies can have Flash.
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They CAN'T. They should be able to use those antenna things on their head like Seabreeze used his (lighting up darker places).