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Title: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Stmacl on October 17, 2013, 14:21
SPOILERS FOR THE END OF THE GAME! IF YOU DON'T WANT TO RUIN IT DON'T READ THIS POST!!

So I finally completed X and after enjoying that ending I started thinking back on the game and asked myself this question;

With Lysandre and the rest of Team Flare likely to be immortal (what with the ultimate weapon granting immortality to those around it and Lysandre trying to use it on you (I did say spoilers)) is there going to be a sequel like there was with Black and White? Or will it go back to the classic third version like before?

What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Webby on October 17, 2013, 16:18
I was under the impression that Lysandre used it as a weapon - therefore killing himself and all the members of Team Flare still in the building.

If that's the case, then I don't see any reason for a direct sequel to happen. So I think they'll go back to a third version again.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Stmacl on October 17, 2013, 16:42
I remember him saying something along the lines of "If I can't make this world a better place, I'll make you live through it all as it collapses into chaos" before he fired the weapon at himself. He wanted to make you immortal so you'd live through the world which, in his opinion, is destroying itself.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Liam on October 17, 2013, 19:41
Pokémon XY and YX you saw it here first.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: JSM on October 17, 2013, 20:34
No no no it's Pokémon X² and Y² obviously.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: quack98 on October 17, 2013, 20:40
^That would be brilliant if they came out with that xD

Or maybe they'll go all stylish with X2 & Y2

But I think it'll either be Z or XZ/YZ. I don't see why they wouldn't use Z when they have Zygarde and XYZ represents the axis on a 3D plane, without Z it would represent 2D...
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Specstile on October 20, 2013, 22:42
pokemon O for origin
and
pokemon z
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: ShiraBliss on October 21, 2013, 06:08
Probably Pokemon Z. That way the 3D exclusive games become X, Y, and Z - DIMENSIONS
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: quack98 on October 24, 2013, 21:08
I think Drasna will be involved in the story. She's the only elite four member to stop you as you leave, and also she seems reminiscent of the elder in Celestial town. Furthermore, she says she was told about time and space dragons, obviously Dialga and Palkia. Now, this is either that shiny event they did, or maybe it's tied to the Z story?
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Kdintranet & Scizau on October 24, 2013, 21:16
Having not finished the game (and not caring about spoilers because I will finally get to the end anyway. hahah!) I'm putting my bets on Z. It's the most logical.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: DragonOfTheDepths on October 26, 2013, 18:45
I think Drasna will be involved in the story. She's the only elite four member to stop you as you leave, and also she seems reminiscent of the elder in Celestial town. Furthermore, she says she was told about time and space dragons, obviously Dialga and Palkia. Now, this is either that shiny event they did, or maybe it's tied to the Z story?

Yes. I just caught Zygarde, and to my huge surprise, inside the cave of Zygarde are 4 items: A Griseous Orb, Lustrous Orb, Adamant Orb, and a Big Nugget. I think those are tied to the events. Definitely.

Oh, and based on the Torchic event time, since it ends on Januray 24, 2014 (I think), either they are going to release a new game before then so you can still get the Torchic on that game, or they are just giving kids a chance to get the game for Christmas.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: quack98 on October 26, 2013, 18:50
I don't think they'd release Z so soon after XY to be before the torchic events finish, but it's certainly interesting that the three orbs were where Zygarde is... Maybe they'll skip gen III remakes and go straight to DP  :o
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: DragonOfTheDepths on October 26, 2013, 19:20
I thought that might be a bit early too, but then again: what could they put in Z that would so drastically change things besides a whole lot more legendary pokemon? A whole new story? The epic ability to go to different regions (probably not)? I just don't know... with all the new features and places and pokemon, there are so many things they could do, yet so much they couldn't (and wouldn't) ever change.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Kdintranet & Scizau on October 26, 2013, 19:25
They would do the same as what they've done with all the previous 3rd game of each generation. New Sprites. An adaptation to the story line ect. They usually take a year as well.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Spriter on October 26, 2013, 21:17
Z. Xerneas = X, Yveltal = Y, Zygarde = surely Z. Simple logic really.

Look at the Dex entry for Zygarde though. It says, iirc, that it monitors those who destroy the ecosystem. With Xerneas representing Life and possibly Nature and Yveltal representing death and destruction, you can definitely work a plot for that to put into the next game. Kind of like Emerald too, with Kyogre, Groudon and Rayquaza.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Stmacl on October 26, 2013, 21:58
Remember though in the same idea Kyurem is grey meaning we should have had a Pokemon Grey and NOT Black 2 and White 2. So that logic isn't entirely sound anymore.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Lord Raven on October 26, 2013, 23:01
Difference was that B2/W2 made sense even with the information we were given prior to the news of its release.  Z makes sense with XY and I don't see any scenario where we have Zygarde doing to Xerneas/Yveltal what Kyurem did to Reshiram and Zekrom.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Spriter on October 26, 2013, 23:05
Remember though in the same idea Kyurem is grey meaning we should have had a Pokemon Grey and NOT Black 2 and White 2. So that logic isn't entirely sound anymore.

Errrr...that's COLOUR, not something sensible like...the legendaries having the first letter of their name from the versions they are obtainable in? The XYZ axis thing? All of this logic is far better logic than basing it off of colour. And who said "Kyurem is grey so we'll get grey but no we got BW2?"

(not a personal attack btw)
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: quack98 on October 26, 2013, 23:08
Plus X2 is likely copyrighted by Marvel, for there film xD

In seriousness though, Z does look the most likely. Zygarde even looks like a Z. Of course, there is the possibility of him getting two megas, after all his BST is lower than the other two, I believe.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Stmacl on October 27, 2013, 00:07
Errrr...that's COLOUR, not something sensible like...the legendaries having the first letter of their name from the versions they are obtainable in? The XYZ axis thing? All of this logic is far better logic than basing it off of colour. And who said "Kyurem is grey so we'll get grey but no we got BW2?"

(not a personal attack btw)
How's the logic of 3 things matching up to in game things different?

I mean the colour argument stood up in generation 3! Ruby. Red. Groudon, Sapphire. Blue. Kyogre. Emerald. Green. Rayquaza.
And plus pretty much every pokemon forum I visited around B/W's release and before BW2's announcement was pretty much singing the idea of a Grey version.

I'm personally seeing a few too many plot points left open in X and Y for a Z version to exist anyways, least of which is this massive plot point of Team Flare itself. Sure they got hit by the ultimate weapon, they could very well be dead. But the same could be said for the ultimate weapon giving them all immortality, I mean that's why Lysandre fired it at himself since he wanted YOU to become immortal. The fact that I've yet to see closure on what happened to Lysandre and the fact that the game pretty much tries to push it out of mind and glosses over it with a "yay you defeated the bad guy" ending to the ark seems quite weak from my perspective.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Lord Raven on October 27, 2013, 07:43
And plus pretty much every pokemon forum I visited around B/W's release and before BW2's announcement was pretty much singing the idea of a Grey version.
You haven't been around as much.  There was a *lot* of contention about the version name and mascot throughout the fanbase.  Just because gray was obvious after BW doesn't mean it wasn't the only opinion; and there was a lot of basis for other things, and there were a ton of other theories.  They were much more various than DPP (people were expecting Girasol or Platinum for the third version there) or RSE (people were definitely expecting an emerald version), but BW wasn't immediately obvious as BWG at all.

XYZ is super obvious, and I don't see an X-2 or Y-2 happening.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: DragonOfTheDepths on October 28, 2013, 01:43
I just hope that in the next game, be it Z or something else, Yveltal, Xerneas, and Zygarde have mega evolutions. It would also be nice if they made other mega evolutions too, but mainly mega legendaries would be epic. That being said, they did disappoint me quite a bit with a couple of the mega evolutions (Aggron, Gardevoir). I hope they don't disappoint with the mega legendaries.

For those of you who question the mega legendaries theory, I ask this: If the whole goal in-game is to figure out stuff about mega evolution, why don't the legendaries have a mega evolution? (besides being OP)
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Joe_Pokemon2015- MEGA RAYQUAZA! on November 19, 2013, 01:08
Z. Xerneas = X, Yveltal = Y, Zygarde = surely Z. Simple logic really.

Look at the Dex entry for Zygarde though. It says, iirc, that it monitors those who destroy the ecosystem. With Xerneas representing Life and possibly Nature and Yveltal representing death and destruction, you can definitely work a plot for that to put into the next game. Kind of like Emerald too, with Kyogre, Groudon and Rayquaza.

I incline to agree here. I mean, Pokémon Z would probably be the third version.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if Game Freak would continue what they did to the fifth generation of Pokémon- split the third version into two and give Zygarde some new form. They did it to Kyurem, and they did it to Giratina.

Perhaps there would probably be some Mega Evolution of Zygarde in the third version? Who knows? It could probably be the first legendary Pokémon to have their own evolution.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on November 24, 2013, 01:18
^Actually Phione/Manaphy sort of are the first Legendary evolution line when you think about it. Manaphy is considered Legendary where Phione is questionable due to where it comes from. But both have similar characteristics and have similar movepools even though Phione's is smaller. I also think the games are still hiding new Pokemon that'll show up when no one literally expects them to.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Volkner on December 08, 2013, 14:07
People thought there was going to be Pokemon Grey because of Kyurem, but instead we got Black 2 and White 2. I dunno if Game Freak is going to to return to having a third title. They did the sequels of B2 and W2 so well I think they're gong to do it again.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Sappy on December 12, 2013, 19:59
You haven't been around as much.  There was a *lot* of contention about the version name and mascot throughout the fanbase.  Just because gray was obvious after BW doesn't mean it wasn't the only opinion; and there was a lot of basis for other things, and there were a ton of other theories.  They were much more various than DPP (people were expecting Girasol or Platinum for the third version there) or RSE (people were definitely expecting an emerald version), but BW wasn't immediately obvious as BWG at all.

XYZ is super obvious, and I don't see an X-2 or Y-2 happening.

People considered Heatran and Cresselia instead of Giratina I remember. I didn't think "Platinum" version was an obvious choice for a name either. And BW had the idea of Rainbow version floating around as well as "Grey".

I thought this video was interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJU4yY5r0K0

While, I still think the guy's still borderline speculating and you can't say it's definite proof it raises issues most fans forget. In particular the idea of downloading new Pokemon.

If the idea of a new region is true it's definitely to the east. Clearly taking the assumption Kalos is effectively France could the next region be based on Germany, especially as its mentioned in the video the war (WW1 or WW2 possible references) and the fact the reverse waterfall. Courriway Town has waterfalls and right outside that is Terminous Cave. (Possibly encouraging the Z theory).

I personally believe there won't be any more Pokemon revealed, apart from the event Pokemon hidden away. However, I would really like the Germany theory. I mean Germany's huge. I'd love the sequel game to be there. This also would be a lot better than repeating Kalos, the problem with the sequels.

The 3DS allows a lot more to happen, updating new Pokemon to X and Y if they want (something I don't think they'll do to brand new Pokemon, but possibly Mega Evolutions).
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Joe_Pokemon2015- MEGA RAYQUAZA! on December 18, 2013, 07:17
Perhaps Z might be the third version that will be a sequel to X and Y? I mean, why not have a compromise between "sequel to X and Y" and "third version of X and Y in the style of RSE and DPPt"?

It sounds more logical to have Z as not just a third version, but also as a sequel.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Awkward Squirtle on December 20, 2013, 13:00
No no no it's Pokémon X² and Y² obviously.

What if they combine those and make pokémon O. Cos it's a circle. With centre (0,0)

But seriously, surely Zygarde means it's going to be Z. And the dimensions thing.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on December 26, 2013, 21:46
What if they combine those and make pokémon O. Cos it's a circle. With centre (0,0)

And obviously Zygarde would evolve into the 'Omega Pokémon' to rival Arceus (the 'Alpha Pokémon) xD
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Lion Demon on December 27, 2013, 20:48
Honestly, I think they're going to create a Pokemon Z after the Ruby and Sapphire Remakes. And I genuinely believe that the speciality of Z is that Zygarde will have access to 2 MegaStones. One to transform him into Dragon/Fairy and the other to transform him into Fairy/Dark. This gives Zygrade its own 2 form niche without completely copying Mewtwo and Kyurem.

I thought this video was interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJU4yY5r0K0

While, I still think the guy's still borderline speculating and you can't say it's definite proof it raises issues most fans forget. In particular the idea of downloading new Pokemon.

I believe that Junichi Masuda stated that he will not be providing downloadable content like that. The only downloadable contents currently released for X and Y were glitch and software updates. However, I'd be more than happy for new pokemon release to happen like this!  :D
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: kazimo on December 29, 2013, 05:34
Honestly, I think they're going to create a Pokemon Z after the Ruby and Sapphire Remakes. And I genuinely believe that the speciality of Z is that Zygarde will have access to 2 MegaStones. One to transform him into Dragon/Fairy and the other to transform him into Fairy/Dark. This gives Zygrade its own 2 form niche without completely copying Mewtwo and Kyurem.

I believe that Junichi Masuda stated that he will not be providing downloadable content like that. The only downloadable contents currently released for X and Y were glitch and software updates. However, I'd be more than happy for new pokemon release to happen like this!  :D

In all honesty, I think I have to agree with everyone who has state Z. Like them, I think that's the most likely conclusion, though it's just speculation at this point really. I can't see them doing X-2 and Y-2, neither can I see the whole 2 megastones thing. Maybe it's just me, but them giving legendaries megastones don't seem possible at all. But I must agree, Zygarde is not much of a legendary in my opinion, them improving him in his own remake sounds plausible, though not sure if it'll be a megastone like people want.

As for the whole BW2, I think they did that specifically because Kyurem had two versions of itself. Unlike with Giratina, Kyurem has 2 extra forms besides his main one, while Giratina only had 1 extra one. I'm not sure if they split his forms to only allow Black to get white Kyurem and White to get black Kyurem, since I didn't get to play any of the fifth generation games. So this is just my opinion on how they decided to make BW2 instead of making a game simply for just Kyurem based on his coloring.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on December 29, 2013, 13:47
Maybe it's just me, but them giving legendaries megastones don't seem possible at all.

Mewtwo is a legendary =/


I think Zygarde will have a mega, because look at it this way:
Zekrom & Reshiram = BST 680
Kyurem = BST 660
Kyurem-B/W = BST 700

It improved the awful legendary.

Xerneas & Yveltal = BST 680
Zygarde = 600
Mega Zygarde = 700 (megas are always +100)

It seems very coincidental that Zygardes stats are exactly 100 under what Kyurem-B and W were.

I still think it'll be Z, but I also think the mega Zygarde will be a thing
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: kazimo on December 29, 2013, 19:43
True, Mewtwo is a legendary, but he's not a super big legendary that holds the fate of the world in his hands like the others are.

With one wrong move, other legendaries like the ones you have listed, could easily take out half, if not most of the world with a single move alone. Though I can definitely see where you're coming from with the Mega Zygarde idea. I mean they did make him kind of crappy not only in stats but looks, compared to the other two legendary for this region. Maybe he will get another form, that will be revealed in the next one that has nothing to do with Mega Evolution. It's hard to tell at this point though.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Spriter on December 29, 2013, 20:30
Errr...I'm sure Mewtwo is actually regarded as the most powerful of all legendaries. It could probably destroy the world but not with columns of fire and such.

Still, Mega Zygarde would probably look like something out of a horror film if it ever exists. I'm up for that.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: kazimo on December 30, 2013, 01:30
Errr...I'm sure Mewtwo is actually regarded as the most powerful of all legendaries. It could probably destroy the world but not with columns of fire and such.

Still, Mega Zygarde would probably look like something out of a horror film if it ever exists. I'm up for that.

Actually he's not the most powerful legendary, I always thought the god of all pokemon who created many legendaries is the most powerful, you know Arceus. I'm a big Mewtwo fan so don't let my comments fool you, he is really powerful and I think he's most likely referred to as the most powerful psychic legendary besides Mew. Though I don't think he could destroy the world, maybe cause some mayhem but not destroy it. I think besides Mew, he's one of the only psychic legendaries, though not sure about the mini cuties(aka lake guardians, celebi, and so on).
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on December 30, 2013, 02:45
^And then there is Deoxys which I always thought of as a rival of Mewtwo. Both have a powerful signature Psychic type attack each and were created from DNA. They also both have similar shapes.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: kazimo on December 30, 2013, 04:49
^And then there is Deoxys which I always thought of as a rival of Mewtwo. Both have a powerful signature Psychic type attack each and were created from DNA. They also both have similar shapes.

Deoxys is Boss! 8)

If it came down to Mewtwo or Deoxys, I'd be so losing my mind over who to choose. But in the end, I think I'd definitely choose Deoxys above all else.
Though back on track, so far I think it's hard to say whether or not they'll even continue with the megastones after X,Y, and what I think will most likely be Z. I mean, you'd think it would be likely, but Nintendo always tends to do a certain new theme for each pokemon and not all of them tend to carry over into further games.
It's safe to say that they most likely will be going alphabetically, I mean they even went through the trouble of making each of them look like the letter they represent. So 3rd game in this gen, has the more likely chance of being just the letter Z.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on December 30, 2013, 11:55
The only other known legendary Pokemon with Mega Evolutions are the Lati. They are programmed in the coding of the game as people have discovered just like how hackers discovered that Kyurem had two form changes in BW but there were no images of it in the games. That is when Game Freak announced BW2. Plus there was unfinished business with Team Plasma and N with Ghetsis escaping from police custody.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Joe_Pokemon2015- MEGA RAYQUAZA! on January 18, 2014, 06:24
The only other known legendary Pokemon with Mega Evolutions are the Lati. They are programmed in the coding of the game as people have discovered just like how hackers discovered that Kyurem had two form changes in BW but there were no images of it in the games.

Perhaps the third version of the game might have the Latios/Latias Mega Evolution. And then there will probably be some plot involving them as well as Zygarde.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: ShinyNinetales on February 21, 2014, 04:11
Remember the AZ guy? It would be cool if the sequel was Pokemon AZ Version, seeing how A and Z represent the beggining and start of the Alphabet.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Danse Macabre ( 6,6) on February 21, 2014, 07:20
Personally I think they'll release a new continent as DLC, there are lots of NPCs on the game that discuss going to a whole new land... which I personally think means add on content rather than a new game. I think it's Shauna who says " I think next I'm going to visit a whole new place" or something along those lines.

Also, following on from the glitches that needed fixing, we know that the ability for the game to be updated already exists, maybe we'll be seeing 2.0 rolling out within the next 12-18 months? Expandability must have been added into the game otherwise we wouldn't have got the patches.

If I am wrong through, I doubt it's going to be Pokémon Z, Zygarde just seems to be more of an afterthought in the game & have very little canon attached to it outside of it's own description. At least with other thirds (Emerald, Silver etc.), the pokémon they've been based on has had an effect on the story itself.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on February 21, 2014, 07:32
Kyurem didn't do anything in B/W that I can remember. Just kinda sat in an icy cave. Giratina literally did nothing in D/P, it was just in a weird maze cave. Rayquaza just sat in a tower in R/S. Suicune just ran around G/S. Pikachu sat in a forest and power plant before Yellow.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Danse Macabre ( 6,6) on February 21, 2014, 09:37
Kyurem didn't do anything in B/W that I can remember. Just kinda sat in an icy cave. Giratina literally did nothing in D/P, it was just in a weird maze cave. Rayquaza just sat in a tower in R/S. Suicune just ran around G/S. Pikachu sat in a forest and power plant before Yellow.

If I remember correctly, Kyurem is mentioned a few times in relation to Reshiram & Zekrom, it also gets it's own mentions in the story. Giratina pops later on in Black & White once you've captured Reshiram/Zekrom, plus he has an entire dimension to himself. Rayqauza I believe is mentioned to have stopped the fighting between Kyogre & Groudon BEFORE you actually catch him (you get the see it happen in Emerald of course). Pikachu only ever got the starring role in Yellow because of a certain animé. Zygarde however is completely absent from the game up until appearing in the mines, I wouldn't have known he existed if I didn't watch YouTube.

As for Suicune, he seems to be the one bit of evidence that there doesn't have to be a trio for there to be a third game. It's quite possible Xerneas & Yveltal are a duo (the Mortality Duo as stated by Wiki) and that Zygarde is not the third member.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on February 21, 2014, 10:20
If I remember correctly, Kyurem is mentioned a few times in relation to Reshiram & Zekrom, it also gets it's own mentions in the story. Giratina pops later on in Black & White once you've captured Reshiram/Zekrom, plus he has an entire dimension to himself. Rayqauza I believe is mentioned to have stopped the fighting between Kyogre & Groudon BEFORE you actually catch him (you get the see it happen in Emerald of course). Pikachu only ever got the starring role in Yellow because of a certain animé. Zygarde however is completely absent from the game up until appearing in the mines, I wouldn't have known he existed if I didn't watch YouTube.

As for Suicune, he seems to be the one bit of evidence that there doesn't have to be a trio for there to be a third game. It's quite possible Xerneas & Yveltal are a duo (the Mortality Duo as stated by Wiki) and that Zygarde is not the third member.

None of those things did any of those things before the third game, was my point. Zygarde will have a bigger role in Z.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on February 21, 2014, 10:54
Zygarde's Ablility Aura Break is able to nullify Xerneas and Yvetal's Ablilities and I think this means it has a bigger role than we currently know about. I mean why would it have such a power to cancel out Fairy Aura and Dark Aura if Zygarde was an afterthought?
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Awkward Squirtle on February 21, 2014, 13:15
As for Suicune, he seems to be the one bit of evidence that there doesn't have to be a trio for there to be a third game. It's quite possible Xerneas & Yveltal are a duo (the Mortality Duo as stated by Wiki) and that Zygarde is not the third member.
So the X Y Z and Zygarde being shaped like its letter like the other two and just happening to act the same as previous third legendaries is just coincidental?
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Joe_Pokemon2015- MEGA RAYQUAZA! on March 08, 2014, 10:58
So the X Y Z and Zygarde being shaped like its letter like the other two and just happening to act the same as previous third legendaries is just coincidental?

Yeah, pretty much.

And what about Diancie? Or is that some Pokémon that will be a promo only for the third version?
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: Richard and Blaziken on March 08, 2014, 11:33
Diancie is an event Pokemon. To think it'll be the mascot for Z is beyond silly.
Title: Re: So... X2 and Y2, or Z? WARNING SPOILERS!!!
Post by: inskyninja on March 09, 2014, 22:56
Well like someone said: X=Xerneas Y=Yveltal Z=Zygarade it IS simple logic.
However, anyone think about the X axis Y axis and the Z axis? Or XYZ in the alphabet? It all makes too much sense. It is also possible that GameFreak is gonna throw another curveball with Pokemon A and Pokemon B. In my opinion Game Freak is coming back with the 3rd game gimmick. Black and White? That was kinda hard to think of a name besides grey cause that is what everyone was thinking.
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Post by: HeraCrymz on April 07, 2014, 00:42
ha if they went with gender related titles ?

Pokemon XX (Xerneas does look feminine)
Pokemon XY (Yveltal looks masculine)
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Post by: SirBlaziken on April 07, 2014, 00:49
How about just giving us the hoenn remakes first then worrying about this?
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Post by: HeraCrymz on April 07, 2014, 21:27
How about just giving us the hoenn remakes first then worrying about this?

If they are making the Hoenn remakes, we're hoping to see those next year I will assume :3 True that X/Y haven't quite reached a year yet so it's kinda soon to be expecting sequels or a 3rd game.
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Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on April 07, 2014, 21:51
^But BW2 were announced a little over a year after BW came out outside of Japan. XY were announced months after BW2 was released outside Japan. So a third game being announced isn't too Farfetch'd. (Couldn't help myself!)
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Post by: SirBlaziken on April 07, 2014, 22:02
I just want hoenn remakes. Is that too much to ask?
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Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on April 14, 2014, 11:03
Just figured out how Zyngarde fits in with Xerneas and Yveltal! Zyngarde is classified as the Order Pokemon in the Pokedex. Xerneas is the Life Pokemon and Yveltal the Destruction Pokemon. Zyngarde must be the balance of the two as the former two have typings that is immune to one of Zygarde's typings and it would also explain Zygarde's Ability Aura Break which cancels out Xerneas and Yveltal's Abilities.
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Post by: Mew King on April 15, 2014, 02:15
So how about dem Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves...

Two ground typed moves with 90 BP and 100 Acc.

Thousand Arrows hits floating/flying Pokemon
Thousand Waves prevents grounded Pokemon from fleeing.

That sounds like two signature moves of a new version of Zygarde to me.
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Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on April 15, 2014, 02:30
^I agree. The Pokedex also says it watches the ecosystem which Xerneas and Yveltal can REALLY mess with. Xerneas not so much but with it giving off life energy, it could probably cause an overgrowth of plants that would cause harm to the area since the plants wou;ld overtake anything in their path.
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Post by: Spriter on April 15, 2014, 21:23
Also, those moves are speculated to be for two FORMES of Zygarde as well. One could assume that the upcoming movie could involve Zygarde, where it changes into forme 1 and 2 to try and deal with Xerneas and Yveltal respectively - but it cannot handle both because it cannot be in two different formes.
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Post by: Delicious_Scout on April 15, 2014, 21:27
Let me think...

Volcanion is Water/Fire... and the mixture of those two can be Ground...

And Volcanos come from Ground...

Yes, those two Ground moves can be a semi-exclusive, if that logic is followed.
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Post by: Awkward Squirtle on April 16, 2014, 13:09
Just based on the way things are going I think it's more likely that it will be 2 mega stones rather than formes. I wouldn't be surprised if the stones are formed from/emerge from Xerneas and Yveltal somehow.
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Post by: Raphetty on April 27, 2014, 10:13
Well I'm going to go with ZX and ZY. Kinda more interesting and original perhaps? And a nice way to keep the Z but still have 2 more versions.
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Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on April 27, 2014, 10:26
I think there's almost definitely two new versions, mainly because of the moves Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves.

Much like Ice burn + Freeze shock, these moves are in the games coding but no pokemon can learn it. The animation looks very Zygarde-y with hexagons and the like for both, and both are ground type moves identical to Land's Wrath, bar a secondary effect (Arrows hits flying types and levitators, Waves traps pokemon). For this reason, I believe there will be two 'Z' versions, and at a guess I'd say Zygardes two formes will be built to combat Xerneas and Yveltal respectively. Xerneas being a deer thing, it would be trapped by pray (thousand waves), and Yveltal being a flying type would be hit by Thousand Arrows, so it makes a bit of sense in that respect too.

Edit: ignore like the first two sentences of the second paragraph - just noticed someone's already said their effects
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Post by: lets all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes on April 28, 2014, 15:28
(trigger warning: my usual incomprehensible schizophrenic pokemon rantings)

i know this has probably been theorised before but the third legendary always turns up and owns the other two both in general and plotwise, so with all these big powerful destruction-y techniques im thinkin it's basically gonna be a ragnarok situation in the third game??? (you can't drench the game in norse mythology and avoid doing ragnarok)
like zygarde just turns up and goes "you know what ive had enough of the both of you" (can't kill them cos they're life and death) so its all Hidan style instead and it just literally buries them both and turns to humanity and goes "r u next?????"


like Ginger Cyrus was going on about humanity being unsustainable and scarcity and all that, so im guessin its gonna be one of those apocalyptic platinum style "oh no the big enemy is gonna literally total the entire planet" things 
(sadly its probably just gonna be some stupid "zygarde recognises ur pokemon loving heart, young trainer, with ur faith in the pokemon u saved the world, thanks trainer, thainer" ending) (as much as i'd love for previous gens boxfront legendaries to come in and do something they probs wont)   

to be total turbonerd handwaving wild "there'll be a digital type!!" theorising about prev. gens tho, like i'd love for kyogre/groudon/rayquaza to be the ones that trashed the ecosystem?? by warring over the land and the sea again but that wont happen either


altho! they could throw us all a total curveball (unlikely) and have "z sapphire" and "z ruby" somehow? why else did the gen III legendaries get mega forms?????????? (i hope i get some nerds hopes up only for them to be dashed when they reveal its "pokemon ZZ top" and ken sugimori himself goes "cos you nerds went on about it too much im not allowing a gen III remake, u blew it, stop asking about the one time we did 16 gyms in gen II, stop writing me letters, i want to go to bed forever")
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Post by: Spriter on April 28, 2014, 16:55
Doesn't what RR said basically point to X2 / Y2 then? Considering they tried it last gen  (and not a lot of us expected B2W2 afaik), it wouldn't be a surprise if they tried it.

Grey was expected last gen but we got B2W2, and Z is expected but...could X2 Y2 be made instead?
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Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on April 28, 2014, 17:04
Doesn't what RR said basically point to X2 / Y2 then? Considering they tried it last gen  (and not a lot of us expected B2W2 afaik), it wouldn't be a surprise if they tried it.

Grey was expected last gen but we got B2W2, and Z is expected but...could X2 Y2 be made instead?

I wouldn't say X2 and Y2, but I do think there'll be two 'third versions'. Perhaps, as other have suggested, XZ & YZ (or maybe AZ and ZZ?)
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Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on April 28, 2014, 22:19
^Or go with Alpha and Omega except using the actual Greek Letters.
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Post by: Joe_Pokemon2015- MEGA RAYQUAZA! on May 18, 2014, 10:05
^Or go with Alpha and Omega except using the actual Greek Letters.

What about Phi and Theta? They're symbols used for angles in a Cartesian plane. It goes well in keeping a math theme here- X and Y are the names of axes.
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Post by: Spriter on May 18, 2014, 11:56
What about Phi and Theta? They're symbols used for angles in a Cartesian plane. It goes well in keeping a math theme here- X and Y are the names of axes.

Knowing Nintendo, I doubt they'd use that, because how many fans of Pokémon know about Phi and Teta?
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Post by: Delicious_Scout on May 18, 2014, 12:01
Knowing Nintendo, I doubt they'd use that, because how many fans of Pokémon know about Phi and Teta?

Most Spaniards know about Tetas, especially Serena's.

How many of us made a correct prediction regarding the names? No one. Kanto Remakes? Nobody. Johto's? Nope. Unova Sequels? Unexpected as heck.

But I wish the names were "Pokémon X-tra" and Pokémon "Y-so serious?".
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Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on May 18, 2014, 14:20
I only suggested Alpha and Omega as the representations of Yveltal and Xernas with Xernas as Alpha (Beginning due to it being the Life Pokemon) and Yveltal as Omega (End for the Destruction Pokemon).