Topic: PKMN.net's Tier Lists

[Zy]

If we're going to go by Smogon from now on, I'm not confident what the purpose of this thread will become, but if you're interested regardless, the Smogon OU banlist has been up for a while now. I can provide a link to the announcement which has the full list, but if frowned upon, I'll list only what's really important here;

• Moody is banned on all Pokemon.
• Swift Swim and Drizzle cannot be used on the same team.
• Blaziken (all iterations), Deoxys (Attack), Deoxys (Normal), Garchomp, and Shaymin-S are the only real notable banned Pokemon. Most other Pokemon previously in the Ubers tier are still there. Zekrom and Reshiram have joined them.
• Latios, Latias, Mew, Victini, Salamence, and Wobbuffet are not banned.

[Enigma]

so Blaze Blaziken can't be used?

And Mew is OU?

loooolllll

I say we make our own tiers. Who's with me?! *raises pitchfork*

[Afro-Disiak]

Based on what? And Mew is UU actually.

[Reshurott Inferno]

Why is Mew Under-Used?

I know that I don't usually pay attention to this kinda thing, but it'd be interesting, since Mew is a Legendary and (probably) my 2nd favourite Kanto Legendary.

[Afro-Disiak]

Because it isn't used enough..that's what the term means. Probably due to a combination of general power creep (ie stuff hits harder than in 4th gen), speed creep, mediocre typing and the fact people want to use new stuff. That said, it's still very threatening even in standard play.. particularly Baton Pass and stallbreaker sets.

[Spriter]

Why is Mew Under-Used?

I know that I don't usually pay attention to this kinda thing, but it'd be interesting, since Mew is a Legendary and (probably) my 2nd favourite Kanto Legendary.

Basically, just because a Pokémon is legendary, doesn't mean it's automatically Uber, just to clarify.

[Legacy]

Why is Mew Under-Used?

I know that I don't usually pay attention to this kinda thing, but it'd be interesting, since Mew is a Legendary and (probably) my 2nd favourite Kanto Legendary.

The Regi's say hi from the UU tier and below, as do Moltres and Articuno.

I do disagree with it being UU though. It can learn (almost) every move, and it has 100 in each stat, meaning it is still quite a threat if used correctly (which isn't overly difficult). But while it doesn't have a stat worth cringing at, Mew doesn't particularly stand out in any stat either. OU would be better if we're still working on our own tiers.

[Liam]

How can you disagree with something's placement? The key is in the name, overused, underused. It doesn't matter if the Pokémon's got all the tricks in the book, if nobody uses it it won't be put into the OU tier. =P

[Legacy]

My point was that despite what smogon has said, I've seen it used more times than I can actually count. Although you're right since what I've seen is not necessarily what others see. I didn't think about that XP

I still personally feel that Mew should be OU, but as I said, personal view.

Blaze Blaziken shouldn't be banned either. It's never been banned before, so why now? Speed Boost Blaziken I agree with, but Blaze? It's crazy D=

[Liam]

They say they don't want complicated bans, although I never saw what was so complicated about it. s.s

[Spriter]

When they say complicated, they mean that they won't ban one ability, they'll ban both when only one of them is threatening...

[Legacy]

They say they don't want complicated bans, although I never saw what was so complicated about it. s.s

How difficult is it to understand? It's only one thing to remember O_O I never understand Smogon sometimes. Probably never will.

[Lord Raven]

Because if we are allowed to have one Pokemon who is banned only with a specific ability, we can start banning other moves and abilities on Pokemon to make them legal.  Imagine Lugia in UU without any moves above 60 power and no non-damaging moves; it simply allows a double standard which makes bans extremely complicated.

Sirlin has a good description on how bans (should) work here.



fyi Smogon updates every so often and they have tools to detect matches over, I believe, multiple servers and much of the data is on its own server.  Pokemon is simplistic in design but in terms of tiers it's very complicated and difficult to create an objective tier list.

[Legacy]

But they didn't have to ban moves, so how is lugia with banned moves relevant to a banned ability on Blaziken? Didn't they ban Shadow Tag Chandelure? Or did they just ban that altogether as well? I haven't had chance to check yet.

[Spriter]

^They banned Shadow Tag, but you can use Flash Fire / Flame Body Chandelure.