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2016 Presidential Elections

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Lord Raven:
whats wrong with socialism, everything is basically socialist

Kpyna:
i gotta say bernie's socialist views... not that big of a problem. if by some stroke of luck he became president there would be SO much red tape to stop him from progressing us too far.

and people tend to think he's socialist because of his views on income inequality... i honestly feel like if you're at the top, and making more money than you know what to do with, then you should be able to afford to give your employees who helped to make you a wage that they can live on... people every day in the US go without health and dental care, struggling to keep a roof above their heads, and just doing what they can on food stamps. and those food stamps -- republicans love to complain about people taking food stamps -- are just the middle class footing the bill of those CEOs lack of care through taxes.

i agree, i do find the republican party kind of strange... just a very very strange overreaching attitude but at the same time "muh guns!" even though the gun control anyone is pushing for in america is VERY slight... just wanting longer waiting times to approve the mental health of some people i don't think is obnoxiously crazy, and as for the far left wanting to ban "assault weapons" (most broad, useless term ever, not to be confused with assault rifles), well, that's some stupidity we have to be vigilant for. i have no issues with keeping guns, i feel most people are very responsible with weapons, if i wanted to buy a personal gun i doubt i'd find myself in a situation where i would need one to buy instantly... like you can at a gun show. whats a few days extra wait if we can stop a few shootings imo. they don't see it like that though i guess. just keep protecting the unborn

Turner:
Yeah I'm personally undecided on gun laws. I'm fine with how they are in the UK but the situation in the US has its roots so much deeper that there's no way I'd suggest they just suddenly ban guns or something.

I think though when the main hook of your political campaign is to protect gun owners then there's clearly some first world problems going on. Surely even if you're right wing there must be more pressing issues to care about than the sanctity of guns. If I was a nutcase republican it would still be medium-low on my priority list.

Also I generally don't take any American cries of "But socialism!" seriously. A lot of things that I've heard Americans throw the dirty S word at just actually seems like common sense/equality to me, but maybe it's just because they've been raised in a hyper-capitalist society.

Milsap:
I get why America has guns. I get that once upon a time you wanted to form individual militia should the govermnent turn on you or if we ever decided to come back for round two, but it's never going to happen. I've been to America a couple of times: Once when I was nine the other when I was thirteen. We visited relatives in Oklahoma and one of them showed me his .308 rifle that was bigger than I was. Being in OK and holding a massive gun for me at the time was feeling like I was in the 'real' America. But then I ended up in a Wal Mart the second time round and seeing how you could walk into a supermarket and buy a shotgun or a 9mm pistol along with your milk and bread was terrifying. Okay, you can't just chuck 'em in the trolley and walk out, but it's the concept of being able to do it. From this side of the Pond, the fact that the ability to still easily acquire guns for a government revolt that will never happen is being prioritised over universal 'free' healthcare like we have is just mental. I'm hoping to visit New England on honeymoon for history purposes and I wouldn't mind visiting a range to have a go. Just to experience it.
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Memes like these were made for people like him. Makes Nigel Farage look normal...

The rest of the world can see that Obama or whoever doesn't want to take guns away (which it seems the NRA is convinced will happen) but just make it much, much harder for people who clearly should not have them to get one (Aurora shooter, the Charleston shooter, Sandy Hook etc); so why can't the gun nuts see that?

After the Dunblane school shooting we said "okay, this is never happening again" and banned all guns except shotguns which are now regulated to two shells only. Pistols were sold for competition use only and even then we had very few shootings. Maybe it's the differing attitude to guns here. We say "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" while amongst the right wing gun nuts it's "I can have one, therefore I will... And not just one... I'm starting my own munitions bunker"


--- Quote ---"assault weapons" (most broad, useless term ever, not to be confused with assault rifles), well, that's some stupidity we have to be vigilant for.
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Isn't an 'assault weapon' anything that uses 5.56 NATO ammo and above or something like that? Or fires at a certain rate?


--- Quote ---Also I generally don't take any American cries of "But socialism!" seriously. A lot of things that I've heard Americans throw the dirty S word at just actually seems like common sense/equality to me, but maybe it's just because they've been raised in a hyper-capitalist society.

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Socialists were their big enemies for nearly fifty years during the Cold War. Anything that gives everybody equality is sharing and sharing is too close to Communism for some.

Kpyna:
i'm too lazy to update the first post, but i think its pretty funny jeb really doesnt exist anymore. he keeps running but i think deep down he knows he won't win.

and donald and cruz are pretty neck and neck for first place now, i think i've seen donald between 36% or 44% of republican favor. i never thought trump would stand a chance but he has a really rabid following of crazy americans.

and my man bernie is neck and neck with hillary, and it looks like in my home state of NH he's gonna beat her. i'm getting my ballot to vote tomorrow since i won't be home on the 9th when bernie takes it in our primary... he came and spoke at my school a couple days ago and i went and listened and he was SO confident he was gonna win NH and i agree!

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