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2016 Presidential Elections
lets all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes:
necroposting but how did it end up hillary .vs. trump?????????
i mean other than the fervent media storm on both sides (kinda suspect the millions of cheeky nandos memelords to not get it and give trump even more publicity) and the GOPs inadequacy to stop a reality tv star from destroying them all, again. so i guess we can look forward to trump covertly floating mines into a peaceful nicaraguan port in a couple years time and for cameron n trump to bffsies against Communism
fake edit: seeing mention of jeb in liz's last post makes me remember i actually felt a little bad for the dude when he dropped out early. "sorry ma, i hope ur still proud." poor baby.
SirBlaziken:
Kasich made a plan to let Cruz 1v1 Trump in Indiana and then Kasich would 1v1 Trump in Oregon. Trump beat Cruz and Cruz dropped, and Kasich chickened out. It's plans like this that make me wonder how he became our state's governor.
Edit: And once again I fail to spellcheck
Lord Raven:
trump is better than everyone else running for the republican party
.. except like rand paul and maybe marco rubio
hillary at the start vs hillary now is much different, i think ultimately hillary's foreign policy comes from a position of better standing than Bernie's due to her experiences as first lady among other things so that's ultimately what it came down to. Hillary and Bernie don't really differ too much in a lot of things these days.
like Trump destroying the GOP may be a wonderful thing for this country, especially if Trump pulls a punk'd routine and decides to remind the world that he is in actuality a moderate and not a crazy ass reactionary like he keeps preaching, but I'd still rather go Hillary to prevent pandora's box from opening
Anyway, I'd like to end this post with this
Kpyna:
i've become so ambivalent, i don't want hillary, i don't want trump. people assure you trump would be a disaster, but i'm not so sure hillary would be much better. she has foreign policy experience but it's nothing particularly good. i don't care about her foreign policy experience if she's on the wrong side of everything. i'm gonna be equally as disappointed no matter who becomes elected tbh. i feel like trump is a lot of hot air, he would still make efforts to repeal citizen's united which to me is the main objective of this elective for the US people because things are never going to change if we don't repeal that. i hate the fact he's awful to pretty much everyone who isn't a white male, so i'd never support him, let alone vote for him, but i'm honestly so ambivalent. with hillary black youths will continue to get jailed for smoking marijuana and then as a result of what prison does to you will go down a slippery slide to become another statistic. she's not going to improve the lives of immigrant workers or americans who are dangling on the poverty line because the whole problem is the 1% who funded her entire campaign keep amassing more money.
basically if nothing happens to citizen's united for another 8-12 years i can see poop SERIOUSLY hitting the fan and you know she's not gonna repeal a damn thing that might hurt the richest people in our country. but will probably continue to hurt people who make 100,000 - 200,000 and pretend they're "the rich" and drive the democratic party more towards total nonsense
also that trump quote isn't real but he has a history of having democratic ideas. he's an independent like bernie who doesn't adhere to either side, although he's definitely on a total different side of the political compass that i don't like
so yea i'm probably gonna spend election day snoozing and playing DOTA 2. i feel like not voting is wasting my vote just as much as if i voted for either of them. plus i save some time!
oh and @beth *dons tinfoil hat* i personally have a suspicion but i'm obviously not gonna call anything for certain, i think hillary is cheating and republicans really want an outsider because the republican party is SO WHACK, moreso than the democratic party. most republican candidates were the far religious right which is really a dying breed of republican, but there weren't many people to actually elect them. combine that with the south's hate of mexico for a variety of reasons, and you get trump and a big ol' wall
i think hillary is cheating because 1. she sent her husband Bill into polls to try to get people to come out and see him and vote for Hillary, basically using her husband as a way to secure more voters. He was going around the polling locations shaking hands and talking about his wife to people. for the record, if i wore a shirt that said "Bernie Sanders" on it to a polling location, i'd be kicked out, forced to change, and then have to wait in line again. plus things like caucuses can last 6+ hours for people to get their voice to actually matter... guess who has hours to kill in a day... old people who are plugged into CNN and other mainstream media outlets who actually are VERY closely associated with hillary, as in their parent company is hillary's 7th largest donor, so i don't think you can trust them to be honest... anyways, know who doesn't have 6+ hours to kill in a day because they have work and need to make money or else not make their rent and starve? people who are still working.
not only that but in locations like in New York, the exit polls DON'T match the results of the election which is an indication that voter fraud took place. not only that, but at one voting location citizens tested the voting machines, and there were like 71 votes casted for bernie, and 30 or so casted for clinton and it came out closer to being 50 votes to each candidate when they read the results. when they voiced the concerns to the board that the results didn't match the actual votes casted at all, the people who ran the elections were like, "uhhh you don't understand voting, you're just a citizen and this is our job soooo"
not only that but she's really buddy buddy with a lot of people in the DNC so she gets a lot of easy questions at debates and stuff and rarely gets put on the defense.
lets all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes:
--- Quote from: Kpyna on May 07, 2016, 20:05 ---liz and me drinking whiskey sours to drown our sorrows about the state of the world (sorry for unfunny quoteclip) (sorry if you hate whiskey sours) (i got lime in whiskey once and it tasted like burnt hair so untainted single malt for me tbqh)
--- End quote ---
man i hear ya on that one, the subtle gerrymandering and media circus that got Cameron in on our end was shameful and transparent as the dickens but they voted him in cos first-past-the-post is broken and the biggest shame of our election system, sadly. i understan you lot over there use it too????
our equivalent to the democrats (the labour party i guess) has shifted to centre right in the last few elections after Blair and New Labour and we're vaguely excited, if incredibly jaded, that jeremy corbyn seems a bit Old Labour cos it seems like in this day and age being True Left is too scary???????? everyone seems to be focussing on the casually racist right-wing vote and its such a shame.
AV+ or STV would be better and you'd actually get a representative democratic vote which would probably usher bernie in and woulda given us a sizeable libdem majority in our penultimate election (with a few incredibly weak n ineffective BNP seats being the tradeoff) but then the rich n conservative would lose their support n money n control cos FPTP works really well for them. and they kind of will fight against that unfortuneately.
its why when the referendum for AV (still kinda crap compared to AV+ or STV) happened in the uk the tories immediately swamped the uk with the no2av campaign and everyone was like "oh i guess we vote no then." it was depressing and frustrating but at least there's Private Eye for the brits and The Onion for you lot. I dont know much your end re: political satire stuff but honestly its the only way i cope.
i do still reccommend you vote even if its for a 3rd party or you Deliberately Spoil your ballot or whatnot for protest reasons cos they are largely counting on people being Ambivalent/Too Depressed with it all to not vote. i mean i wont like, hate you if you dont. but its that whole thing about being able to go "dont blame me, *i* voted for kodos! //whipcrack//". i dont really know how voting works over there (you register as a democrat or republican voter or something? we just get a poll card we take down and we vote whoever) so idk.
with luck you'll get the odd laff like when someone leaked the BNP member list and a lot of Outted Racists had to do a lot of embarassed scrambling so maybe trump's running mate will be caught in a massive scandal or something. we can hope.
like im willing to hope that the 1% aren't so stupid that they'd let a situation where everyone is Proper Fed Up cos all it takes after that is blood on the streets and then you've got a bit of an uprising. the middle classes were p much invented to Distract and make a Barrier between the disgruntled working classes and the rich upper classes and i dont wonder how long thats going to last these days?
idk if you kept your eyes on whats going on in silicon valley/the tech industry lately but there is going to be a bit of a Collapse Financially i think. i could be wrong and it could go on for years but we all thought the housing bubble wouldn't collapse and house prices in SF are just getting ridiculous rn. i mean i hope there is cos it will take away Uber and boy i don't like Uber a whole lot primarily cos the inner workings exemplify everything wrong with the system (conning poor people into taking out huge loans they can't afford and then breakin their back over a barrell)
to bring my political rant to an end i know i dont live there but given how our nation voted for whopping cuts across the board and Rich People ive had an img saved in my Hoarded JPGs folder for just the sentiment i feel bout the upcoming us election:
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