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Hail Team?
spyhunter7:
Well, I'm considering taking up competitive battling on Wi-Fi (5th gen OU), so I might as well get as much info as I can. Just wondering, does anyone have good ideas on a 5th Gen Hail team?
Richard and Blaziken:
Abomasnow is obvious, since keeping Hail up is necessary. Espeon or Xatu with Magic Bounce helps keep SRocks off the field, or Hitmontop could fill that role by being a decent spinner, as well as threatening Tyranitar that will inevitably ruin your Hail countless times.
Chandelure works well in Hail teams, absorbing both Fire and Fighting attacks, but only adds to the Rock weakness (something Hitmontop also helps).
The real problem is that Hail teams are simply not viable. Stealth Rock ruins them, and they have to constantly compete with Tyranitar and Politoed changing the weather.
The good news is that putting Abomasnow into an OU team is completely viable, if only for removing both Sand and Rain from play. It has to be done carefully, and Abomasnow requires so much team support in itself that it's generally not worth it, but it's an option.
Overall, you'll just end up causing yourself more headache than you need by attempting a Hail team in OU. Abomasnow can be used on normal teams with the right support, if you desperately hate weather, and have a good way of removing both TTar and Politoed on your team. The Hail will still chip 6% from your Pokemon per turn, though, negating Leftovers and actively harming everything without Magic Guard or Ice type, so it's generally a lot more of a hassle than it's worth. I run Sunny Day Prankster Sableye to remove Sand and Rain.
If you're really adamant about making a Hail team, though, I'm sure I can help.
spyhunter7:
Nah, I was just wondering. I was thinking about a possible Kyurem set, but I figured that it wouldn't work, considering the weaknesses. Thanks for the advice, though. However, now I'm considering working on an anti-meta team...
Earth Traveler:
A hail team could be viable, provided some clever forward thinking is used.
For example:
If you lead off with Abomasnow, what's your opponent (probably) going to do?
a)send out a fire-type, or
b)send out Drought Ninetales, Drizzle Politoed, or Tyranitar.
Politoed or Tyranitar will fall to Wood Hammer, so you can catch them on the switch-in. However, your opponent may have thought about this before hand, so they will most likely bring in a fire-type. My recommendation, then, is to send out a Quagsire (I know, i know, it takes hail damage) and use Ice Beam. I know you're targeting a fire-type but like anyone will leave out a fire-type against a Quagsire. They will most likely switch out for a flying-type (to counter Earthquake) or a grass-type, both of which are destroyed by Ice Beam. At this point, you can switch out for another ice-type or Abomasnow to replenish hail in the case of Drought Ninetales or Sunny Day.
If they did send out Politoed or Tyranitar however, you MUST SWITCH ABOMASNOW BACK IN. well, so long as they didn't decide to send out a fire-type, in which case you should send in a water-ice type with {Thick Fat}.
If, at any point during the battle, they send out a steel-type, you should send out Cloyster, which has amazing Defense and in addition can proceed to destroy the steel-type with one of the many anti-Steel type attacks in its arsenal.
If a Charizard/Moltres in brought out, wipe it out with Mamoswine.
So...yeah. that's pretty much strategy for any hail team.
Hope it helps.
Enigma:
--- Quote from: OHKOMaster on April 30, 2012, 21:19 ---A hail team could be viable, provided some clever forward thinking is used.
For example:
If you lead off with Abomasnow, what's your opponent (probably) going to do?
a)send out a fire-type, or
b)send out Drought Ninetales, Drizzle Politoed, or Tyranitar.
Politoed or Tyranitar will fall to Wood Hammer, so you can catch them on the switch-in.
--- End quote ---
Yeah, "The Weather Wars" are the main thing going on in OU at the moment - whoever keeps the weather in play is the victor. The problem is that Abomasnow is hard pushed to KO defensive variants of Tyranitar and Politoed - and on top of that, Aboma can't do anything to Ninetales.
--- Quote ---However, your opponent may have thought about this before hand, so they will most likely bring in a fire-type. My recommendation, then, is to send out a Quagsire (I know, i know, it takes hail damage) and use Ice Beam. I know you're targeting a fire-type but like anyone will leave out a fire-type against a Quagsire.
--- End quote ---
Ninetales often runs Energy Ball. :<
--- Quote ---They will most likely switch out for a flying-type (to counter Earthquake) or a grass-type, both of which are destroyed by Ice Beam. At this point, you can switch out for another ice-type or Abomasnow to replenish hail in the case of Drought Ninetales or Sunny Day.
If they did send out Politoed or Tyranitar however, you MUST SWITCH ABOMASNOW BACK IN. well, so long as they didn't decide to send out a fire-type, in which case you should send in a water-ice type with {Thick Fat}.
If, at any point during the battle, they send out a steel-type, you should send out Cloyster, which has amazing Defense and in addition can proceed to destroy the steel-type with one of the many anti-Steel type attacks in its arsenal.
If a Charizard/Moltres in brought out, wipe it out with Mamoswine.
So...yeah. that's pretty much strategy for any hail team.
Hope it helps.
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The problem is that the opponent is equally as good at prediction; Ninetales won't always default to a fire type attack against Abomasnow, as a competent player would switch it out.
I'm not so sure about Cloyster being ~The Answer~ to every steel type Pokemon, but Magnezone is a very good candidate on Hail teams. The most defensive Pokemon that will resist Blizzard are Steel and Water type Pokemon - Magnezone can handle both of those with Magnet Pull + Hidden Power Fire, and Thunderbolt for the water types.
That said, you would definitely need a Pokemon to absorb some Fire type attacks if your main attacking core is a 100% STAB Blizzarder + Magnezone. Heatran's always a good bet. <3
Just some thoughts~
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