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2016 Presidential Elections
Lord Raven:
--- Quote ---our equivalent to the democrats (the labour party i guess) has shifted to centre right in the last few elections after Blair and New Labour and we're vaguely excited, if incredibly jaded, that jeremy corbyn seems a bit Old Labour cos it seems like in this day and age being True Left is too scary???????? everyone seems to be focussing on the casually racist right-wing vote and its such a shame.
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To be fair, our democrats have always been center-right.
lets all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes:
CRAP in my big political rant i missed ur post raven cos liz posted and "new post!" thing popped up and i lost the tab cos i am distractable as the dickens until i make some dr appts and close down some of these fourty-plus tabs. agggggg
--- Quote ---like Trump destroying the GOP may be a wonderful thing for this country, especially if Trump pulls a punk'd routine and decides to remind the world that he is in actuality a moderate and not a crazy ass reactionary like he keeps preaching, but I'd still rather go Hillary to prevent pandora's box from opening
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honestly im crossing my fingers that Congress is gonna be a bit harder for trump to topple than the gop. the one time in our life we actually can hope to count on the uselessness and bickering of a bunch of grown men/ladies to slow down a tyrant
--- Quote from: Lord Raven on May 08, 2016, 06:16 ---To be fair, our democrats have always been center-right.
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really? aw, thats a shame. i mean i expected as much, political skepticism, but labour started out from Trade Union stuff before selling out to centre-right stuff in the 2000s. i aint too up to scratch on my American History (want to find the time one day) but i take it the democrats were p much just Other Rich People With Money Who Weren't Republicans?????
Lord Raven:
Congress is definitely harder for Trump to topple
they already don't like him; many have gone on to say that choosing between Trump and Cruz was like choosing between like Poison and Cyanide, and I'm not sure which was which
but they would likely be a lot less favorable towards Trump than Cruz unless Trump does a 180 (but it won't be a sudden 180)
--- Quote ---but i take it the democrats were p much just Other Rich People With Money Who Weren't Republicans?????
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Yes. A common question addressed to Hillary Clinton has been along the lines of "How can you represent the 99% if you've never been apart of it?"
I personally think Martin O'Malley-senpai is the guy of the future, but thats only because I met him when I was 14 and my dad catered for a few Maryland Governor's Mansion events and met him there
Meowstic Royalty:
I live in the UK, so the USA presidential elections don't really affect me.
I also don't follow them much, it's just stuff showing up on my dashboard and I get snippets from that.
Basically, the candidates seem to be absolute ass. But I think Bernie Sanders would by far be the best bet, and maybe I'm saying that since I'm a socialist myself. Most policies don't exactly affect me (or rather they wouldn't if I lived in America), but they still seem to make the most sense.
More sense than building a giant wall to block out the Mexicans at least.
Seriously if Trump wins I'm losing my last scrap of hope for the human race.
Lord Raven:
--- Quote ---Basically, the candidates seem to be absolute ass.
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2004 elections were probably about as bad, but Hillary is probably a much better candidate than John Kerry was. And we've had much much worse in our country alone.
--- Quote ---Seriously if Trump wins I'm losing my last scrap of hope for the human race.
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Really? Because if a reactionary candidate like this ran in say 2004 then you'd probably see much more voter turnout for Trump. The fact that every news organization is calling him out for his crap should be a sign that the human race isn't tolerating it either, and nobody really knows where Trump stands on anything in reality. That truth will come election time.
If Cruz or Carson won the presidency, then I guarantee you they would be much worse than Trump. Carson because he lacks every shred of the type of competence necessary for politics, and Cruz because he in actuality is competent. A Trump presidency would put us back in foreign relations - which is bad - but that's just about it. Putin seems to like him too, so it's not like he's universally reviled, and the way the US Government works he is going to get blocked by both parties, which is why I think he's unlikely to win the presidency (because I think a lot of Republicans would rather go for Hillary) and if he does, won't get anything meaningful down. I mean, this dude basically does what Republicans have been doing for decades but he executed it far "better" than previous republican candidates have. Unless you forgot about Mitt "I Wish I Were Mexican Because My Life Isn't Cozy Enough" Romney.
You also live in the UK where people are up in arms about Sadiq Khan being elected mayor of London despite being born in the UK. I don't know why Trump is the straw that broke the camel's back.
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