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Pokémon Games => Team Building => Topic started by: Richard and Blaziken on November 21, 2014, 15:58
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In a move that should surprise all of 0 people, Mega Salamence is being discussed for a quickban (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/mega-salamence-considering-a-quick-ban.3522637/). It's absurdly, ridiculously broken and will be banned very quickly. I've done many calcs for it, and can assure you, there's no way it will remain OU.
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Should be quickbanned purely because it can smash through with Attack, Special Attack and that bulk. Aerialite helps it so much too. Pretty much the only thing you won't want to leave it in with is a special ice Pokémon but even then it's speed and diverse movepool gives it a good advantage against revenge killers too.
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I have checked a couple of data, and unless you are very lucky whilst using HP Ice Bronzong, virtually nothing can counter Salamence. Check? Hard as well, especially if it has set up with Dragon Dance or Ominous Wind (?), meaning that it is overcentralising; no one likes to carry three Scarfers and two Priority users at the same time.
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Honestly, I looked over its stats and I hope it's banned. That speed and power together is going to be an uphill battle to stop in OU, if it even can be stopped. Meanwhile, i'm still waiting on multiple psychic mega and the m-pinsir ban.
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mamoswine can kill it pretty well from my experience on showdown
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Mamoswine's Ice Shard doesn't 2HKO iirc, so good luck with that.
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Mamoswine's Ice Shard doesn't 2HKO iirc, so good luck with that.
With the Intimidate it doesn't, think it's a 2HKO without that thoug. Could be wrong. Either way it's outrageous bulk.
The fact it can switch in, DD and sweep is another problem, with one DD it outspeeds the majority of scarfers and the ones it doesn't aren't strong enough to do anything.
The only thing that sonewhat halts it is Mega Slowbro but even then if it's running DD sub it can easily beat it too.
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DD, Sub, Roost, Return is standard and it doesn't even worry about resistances to Flying. I think that alone pretty much says it all.
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In other news, water is wet. No surprises here, but how do you think the mence will fair in ubers?
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Probably would fair better if Mega Rayquaza wasn't a thing giving it so much competition, but I think it'll be a solid Mega in Uber. It's still got immense power and a lot of options. I could see something like DD, Double-Edge, Roost, Outrage/Sub/Steel killer move being popular-ish. But I mean... Mega Rayquaza.
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But we mean… Rayquaza + Salamence has been one of the most popular combinations in Über for a long time.
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Honestly, Mega Mence will do pretty well in Ubers with that kind of power and bulk imo. Mamoswine without intimidate drop is maybe a 2hko. This is why you keep your Stealth Rocks down kids.
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But we mean… Rayquaza + Salamence has been one of the most popular combinations in Über for a long time.
What I'm saying is, MegaMence won't be used much by virtue of Mega Rayquaza taking the Mega slot.
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Oops, you are right. However, if I have to see a niche for Mega Salamence against Mega Rayquaza is that it can force shenanigans before and after Mega Evolving. If that is not enough for you, the Mega Evolved forme is faster, and this is why it was used with Rayquaza (Moxie, pls). Nevertheless, if the leaks are right and Mega Rayquaza can carry an item, then Mega Salamence will likely not be used.
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Mega Rayquaza can carry an item, there's no issue as to whether that can happen. Mega Salamence won't be on par with Mega Rayquaza, even with Aerilate Double Edge. Rayquaza has a much better ability, don't forget. Delta Stream is one magnificent ability, especially with 105 / 100 / 100 defenses.
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dunno bout you guys but im abusing megamence for ez ladder points rof
its op as hell ggwp
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icebeam greninja can one hit it as well as a sturdy aggron metal burst
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For those two, nobody really uses Metal Burst Aggron, and Greninja is handled easily by other teammates, if Salamence has a Substitute up or if it has a Dragon Dance boost.
Otherwise, not really much to stop it with.
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That's the point bring the unexpected to beat the expected
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Our point is that they're unexpected for a reason.
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the sturdy will allow a kill on mence if metal burst is used right
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because a Pokemon can be beaten doesn't mean it's not broken. Salamence will be banned, because it is broken. Just because random insignificant Pokemon can sometimes beat it (might be tough switching Aggron into Stealth Rock and taking a +1 Earthquake), doesn't mean it should stay in OU.
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that's not my point let the insignificant come it adds so much more versatility and creates new niches
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But this niche is so tiny it can not be used in many other ways, not to say Sturdy is broken with Hazards or Indirect damage.
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then let the spinners and lum berries do the job
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My solution: Not waste our time discussing niche pokemon that can sometimes beat Mega Mence and just agree that it's broken.
Plus these niche pokemon usually need so much support that it's better to just use something else.
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To be a counter you need to be able to switch into ANY commonly used move, and either OHKO it before it hits you, or take a hit and OHKO it (or beat it before it beats you).
Aggron, therefore, is not a counter. It can't switch into any offensive move as it breaks sturdy, it has to perfectly predict a dragon dance. Even then, Salamence can just switch or use a weaker move to break sturdy without taking too much from Metal Burst.
Greninja, likewise, cannot switch in at all. Like, /at all/. Any move will do colossal damage, and dragon dance will cause Mence to outspeed.
The only thing that's coming close to countering is like Bronzong, but even then it doesn't exactly do much and is a rare site in OU.