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Title: This website is dead
Post by: Woobooboo123 on August 13, 2015, 03:26
This website has died, hasn't it? Name Rater takes even longer to rate names than he used to, the caption contest has been deserted, there's not been an Ask Sentret in ages... RIP pkmn.net
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 13, 2015, 03:29
Well making a topic like this to yell everyone for it with the name you chose isn't exactly helping either. In fact, it may come as a shock to you but it actually drives off other people from joining the site and possibly making it more active.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Lord Raven on August 13, 2015, 04:20
Well, yeah, ain't that the truth

Everyone's grown up, which is sort of a shame.  I was probably the youngest of the "old guard" of active users back in the day, and I'm now 22 with a BS.  So don't be too surprised.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kpyna on August 13, 2015, 05:51
You gotta think too -- pokemon was in it's heyday when a lot of us joined for the first time, and its fanbase has been shrinking and shrinking. as well, i feel like forums have generally fallen out of favor -- i feel like social media covers the majority of how information is shared.

We're also between major games at this moment, so that doesn't help either. The age thing also matters -- I joined this site when I was 9. I'm 19 now. I have a lot of different interests and pokemon has largely been put on the back burner.

And I agree, it sucks the name rater and sentret are down. But even when this site was at its peak there were still huge queues and a lot of submissions never got answered...

I still feel like we have an interesting and cool community left here, that's why I keep coming back.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: sylar on August 13, 2015, 05:54
well done figuring that one out lol
what liz said tbh. its dead but yall who keep coming back are why i keep coming back. its always been about the community for me.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kerou 犠牲 on August 13, 2015, 08:06
I hope that the community aspect will mean the site will never be completely dead. Even though activity levels are so low compared with back in the day that element of coming back to see what's going on, how the gang who still posts are doing, etc. still remains (at least for me).

Stay strong, friends
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: lets all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes on August 13, 2015, 13:45
This website has died, hasn't it? Name Rater takes even longer to rate names than he used to, the caption contest has been deserted, there's not been an Ask Sentret in ages... RIP pkmn.net

i dont see you putting any effort into restoring it to its former glory!!!
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: q1q2q3q4 on August 13, 2015, 17:12
This website has died, hasn't it? Name Rater takes even longer to rate names than he used to, the caption contest has been deserted, there's not been an Ask Sentret in ages... RIP pkmn.net

It's still got a bit of life... A small struggle maybe. People should never give up just because most aren't on anymore.

I agree with this, but I have to say that it doesn't help forums when people see posts like this. It's just saying 'this place is dead, there's no point in joining'.

Although I join so called 'dead' sites. It's just something I do, I guess.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on August 13, 2015, 19:53
Most people on the site are British and of a similar age, almost all of the most active members back in the day went to University, grew up and ended up being occupied with their own lives. As a result their interest in Pokemon dropped (No longer a regular part of a Pokemon community, can't afford to buy new handheld consoles, no motivation to learn another few hundred Pokemon etc.).

On top of that, internet communities have become homogenized. Social Media killed a lot of forum and IRC activity and when people began to get sick of it (Because let's face it, people on facebook are generally awful) the internet communities that did exist were homogenized.

If you're an 'internet person' and Age + Social media hasn't turned you into a normal functioning member of society, the likelyhood is that you've assimilated into either the tumblr, Reddit or 4chan community and stick with familiar people there. People won't like to hear this but to a large extent you can probably divide most people here into one of those communities (including facebook).

You've either gotta let it slowly die and be reborn when this all blows over (If it does) or push things forward and adapt.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Inferna on August 13, 2015, 22:05
This topic appears like every 6 months - year and I've yet to see the site actually die.
Sure it's not going to reach <2009 levels of activity (in my time here I remember that as being the most active year I guess but obv in the early years it had more activity than that) but it's been chugging along since then.
Like everyone else I've stayed for the community and nostalgic reasons really. Saying that though it's a nice little corner of the internet, I like the smallness of the community and I've made some good friends here over the years. Like compared to other forums I've been on there's no competitiveness over post counts or who has the most rep etc, it's nice.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: "Alvin" on August 13, 2015, 23:10
I joined when I was 12, and I'm 21 now. I used to be really active. I have over 3000 posts and I haven't been active for years.

The community is tight, yes, but imo I always sort of found that intimidating. It's really hard to make a name for yourself here. Despite how active I was on this and for how long, I doubt many people remember me. Everyone is welcoming and kind here but it still feels like the equivalent of being the new kid in school, but with people who have basically grown up together.

I still remember the site would peak at 50+ members online at the same time and IRC was really active. But when everyone in my friend group "moved on," it was tough finding my place here. I think that's what stopped me from coming back.

Maybe I'm just being silly with this, but I lurk here every few weeks or months and this is the first time I felt like I had something to say. As a kid who didn't know how to act when given anonymity, this site helped me gain some maturity but it'll be tough to replicate that now that all the regulars are adults with responsibilities and the new members are probably around the age I was when I joined. It's a tough issue to address because newer members won't be able to have the same experience we had.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on August 14, 2015, 03:27
I joined when I was 12, and I'm 21 now. I used to be really active. I have over 3000 posts and I haven't been active for years.

The community is tight, yes, but imo I always sort of found that intimidating. It's really hard to make a name for yourself here. Despite how active I was on this and for how long, I doubt many people remember me. Everyone is welcoming and kind here but it still feels like the equivalent of being the new kid in school, but with people who have basically grown up together.

I still remember the site would peak at 50+ members online at the same time and IRC was really active. But when everyone in my friend group "moved on," it was tough finding my place here. I think that's what stopped me from coming back.

Maybe I'm just being silly with this, but I lurk here every few weeks or months and this is the first time I felt like I had something to say. As a kid who didn't know how to act when given anonymity, this site helped me gain some maturity but it'll be tough to replicate that now that all the regulars are adults with responsibilities and the new members are probably around the age I was when I joined. It's a tough issue to address because newer members won't be able to have the same experience we had.

I feel that. The people I used to hang around with back in the day aren't here either. There are a few scattered around but it's not the same. I try and keep things mainly Pokemon oriented here because I don't feel as much a part of the community as I used to be. I'm still very much into Pokemon though and I like discussing it here, so I intend on doing that until either the site or the franchise eventually falls.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kpyna on August 14, 2015, 07:25
The community is tight, yes, but imo I always sort of found that intimidating. It's really hard to make a name for yourself here.

I felt that up until like... 2012. Back when the site was bigger I really only had 2 or 3 people on this website that I'd be comfortable with adding on MSN and stuff. I feel like if you wanna get noticed and be part of a community that will know you by name now's the time haha

I find the site is a hell of a lot less cliquey now and I'm a big fan of that. I only wish the art forums and role play had the same amount of people going in and out that it used to!
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Sappy on August 14, 2015, 08:58
On top of that, internet communities have become homogenized. Social Media killed a lot of forum and IRC activity and when people began to get sick of it (Because let's face it, people on facebook are generally awful) the internet communities that did exist were homogenized.

If you're an 'internet person' and Age + Social media hasn't turned you into a normal functioning member of society, the likelyhood is that you've assimilated into either the tumblr, Reddit or 4chan community and stick with familiar people there. People won't like to hear this but to a large extent you can probably divide most people here into one of those communities (including facebook).

Gotta add YouTube/Twitch has become one of those places. I myself have found myself going over there for Pokemon that still has a community feel. In particular Twitch has a great community feel with quite a lot of people knowing each other, I end up recognising people in almost anyone's chat. It's still mainly based around Pokemon Battling/Shiny Hunting/Wonder Trading, but there's still a chat between the streamer and the viewer which is incredible. It gives off the same PKMN.Net community feel, but in a different dynamic.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 15, 2015, 16:16
I only wish the art forums and role play had the same amount of people going in and out that it used to!

I kinda wish that too tbh, because they could start rp's up and I wouldn't have to wait half a year for a new idea to come to me and it sit unused until then. Plus it's fun.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: not chloe on August 15, 2015, 16:38
I kinda wish that too tbh, because they could start rp's up and I wouldn't have to wait half a year for a new idea to come to me and it sit unused until then. Plus it's fun.

With regards to this, I have an RP in the pipeline atm. Might not appear until Monday but idk. Keep an eye out.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: sylar on August 15, 2015, 17:07
I only wish the art forums and role play had the same amount of people going in and out that it used to!

ive tried a few times to get the art boards going but i dont think theres a lot of artists on site any more
and the ones that are here are too self deprecating to post their work.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 15, 2015, 17:30
Until just monday? Please, i've waited months for ideas and motivation to write a starter out. I can wait a couple of days.  ^.^
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kpyna on August 16, 2015, 06:09
ive tried a few times to get the art boards going but i dont think theres a lot of artists on site any more
and the ones that are here are too self deprecating to post their work.

dude honestly i would l o v e anyone posting their stuff if they have even a slight interest. i should post more of the stuff that i get stricken to draw but scanning and cameras just seems like such a force at times and i don't do enough online work anymore

and im mirin' that role play
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on August 16, 2015, 19:54
I think as with any successful thing there was some luck involved in this site's golden age. I think it was the right size and attracted similar types of people, whereas the bigger Pokemon forums often had a community that was too sporadic for its own good. You can discuss Pokemon there, but there's not the same community feeling.

The way I see it is that this site is never going to be as big as the other sites. Even if we were to have the same level of content as the toilet seat, other people would still go there out of habit. What I think would be good however is if we could somehow extend the community of the site to an extent. An official PKMN.NET Steam group, tumblr, twitter and/or presence on Twitch/YouTube would be cool. I know we still have the account on YT but it'd be cool if there was some way we could get different members of the community to livestream games on it and stuff.

I guess you could also do the streaming thing for the artists on the site too. I'm no artist but I'm guessing Oekakis are no longer used and everyone streams their drawing sessions using something.

And finally I would love to see the site get a visual rehaul. I'm not saying we should go all flat and material design, but the drop shadow effects are very 2004.

Anyone else want to throw some ideas at the wall and see what sticks? Anything that relies on an external service is going to be preferable as Joeno won't have time to write some kind of intuitive streaming platform or something from scratch.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Del on August 16, 2015, 20:53
I guess you could also do the streaming thing for the artists on the site too. I'm no artist but I'm guessing Oekakis are no longer used and everyone streams their drawing sessions using something.
I know a decent amount of artists stream their drawing stuff on Twitch, as long as it's video game related they usually let you carry on and do it.

If anyone wants to get into streaming of any sort and wants help getting started let me know, I'd be happy to help anyone get their stuff setup and ready to go.

I agree with the rest of the extending the community stuff Turner said too, I don't imagine it'd be too hard to find someone willing to run a Twitter/Tumblr but then I guess it's down to who would you feel comfortable letting do it since it'll obviously reflect on the site itself.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: not chloe on August 16, 2015, 21:17
If we ever decide to do a Twitter account I could definitely take some sort of leading role because my friends have in the past referred to me as "the Queen of Twitter" lmao

Seriously though, I run the Twitter for my Dad's business too, I'm sure I could take on another. That's an 'if' though haha.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: sylar on August 16, 2015, 22:23
I guess you could also do the streaming thing for the artists on the site too. I'm no artist but I'm guessing Oekakis are no longer used and everyone streams their drawing sessions using something.

depends on the artist. i hate streaming lol i mostly do it for a very small group of people i like.
but yeah oekakis have been dead for like 5 years now sadly. those that arent are generally bad community wise.

i guess id stream for pkmn.net but idk whod be interested in watching me do fanart lol
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on August 16, 2015, 22:37
I think generally there are a couple of ways of doing streaming, it could either be a routine 'show' based thing or something more free-for-all.

If we were to do pre-planned shows then it has the advantage of the audience knowing when it will be watched, but presents an issue with consistency and getting people to commit to streaming at a certain time regularly, not to mention the time difference between posters and also watchers could be problematic.

The only other way I can see around this would be to share the account and have authorized streamers jump on whenever and announce through the twitter or something first. I'm almost certain that twitch provides some means of advertising that a stream is underway via social media etc. but it'd be even better if it had some kind of multi-user channel or something. I don't know much at all about twitch though so if anyone wants to fill us in on that then feel free.

I guess twitch would be comprised of everything from nuzlocke runs, livestream drawings, to competitive strategies etc. If there is some kind of multi-channel thing it wouldn't be long before other videogames are included too, but if we ended up sharing an 'official' account then I guess it'd be best to keep it all Pokemon related.

As for tumblr and twitter, I guess the issue there is what content would get posted. I imagine they'd be a combination of site goings-on and aggregated Pokemon stuff. Both fairly easy to do, tumblr is probably easier given that there are less limitations and easier ways of reblogging poster's art as I imagine they're likely to post it on tumblr first.

All of this will of course have to be ran past Joeno first, I'm pretty sure everyone here knows we can't do anything official without his word, maybe we can start a separate thread and summon him when we have a clearer idea of what we're doing.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SirBlaziken on August 16, 2015, 22:50
Honestly, this all sounds great. Only problem is I wouldn't really be able to do livestreams and fanart (for many reason). If we did a YouTube channel (not sure if we have, I think we have), and if it's possible (not sure if it is), I could do some smash/XY or ORAS battles and the replays could be saved by the other person and then uploaded onto the channel. Not sure if that's possible, but I can battle other people for content. I just can't upload it to the channel. As for Tumblr, I can write out some articles and PM it to someone who can post it on Tumblr and stuff.

Basically, I can might be able to generate content, but anything that actually involves livestreaming and uploading it myself is beyond me.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Del on August 16, 2015, 23:25
I'm almost certain that twitch provides some means of advertising that a stream is underway via social media etc. but it'd be even better if it had some kind of multi-user channel or something.

You can automate it to have Twitch send out a tweet with the current stream title when you go live, yeah. You'd have to make sure the title was changed before going live for it to reflect current content but it's pretty simple to change the title.

If there is some kind of multi-channel thing it wouldn't be long before other videogames are included too, but if we ended up sharing an 'official' account then I guess it'd be best to keep it all Pokemon related.

In terms of multi-channel aggregates or whatever, there are "teams" on Twitch where you can basically gather a bunch of streams under one brand (CLG as an example (http://www.twitch.tv/team/clg)). I'm not 100% on how you go about creating a team though. It might be linked to subscriptions? I can look into it though.

Otherwise sharing an account is really simple since all you need is the stream key to broadcast to a channel, and I guess the username and password if you wanted to type in the chat using the channel name, which in this case I assume would be pkmnnet or something.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on August 17, 2015, 19:34
Yeah it looks like teams require you to be a 'partner' of Twitch, which basically means meeting arbitrary subscriber numbers and stuff. Probably too much work.

Sharing the stream key sounds like a good idea, if the worst came to the worst and it fell into the wrong hands it looks like it's easy for the person with the account to expire it, whereas someone changing passwords would force us to jump through hoops that could be problematic. I think the benefit of this is that you can use the stream key across multiple devices, so you can have people with different consoles using the stream key.

If you know anything about sharing a stream key then that'd be helpful, I don't have any twitch supported consoles to really try it on but you could set up a dummy account or something and see how easy it is for one person to stream and then the stream to move to another person with the same key. We don't want to find ourselves in a situation where someone is streaming their thing and then suddenly the stream changes its source as someone forgets they've got it on their console and starts streaming GTA or something.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Del on August 17, 2015, 19:43
If you know anything about sharing a stream key then that'd be helpful, I don't have any twitch supported consoles to really try it on but you could set up a dummy account or something and see how easy it is for one person to stream and then the stream to move to another person with the same key. We don't want to find ourselves in a situation where someone is streaming their thing and then suddenly the stream changes its source as someone forgets they've got it on their console and starts streaming GTA or something.
Stream keys are just strings of text you put into streaming software that tells it what channel to stream to basically. You can find it on your Twitch Dashboard under the Stream Key setting, or you can add authorized broadcasters to a channel which will e-mail them the stream key.

Switching between streamers works by a system of "whoever went live most recently is the stream being broadcast", at least last time I checked. So if I was streaming, and you went live, it would switch to you streaming without any sort of warning or prompting, so it would be important that users checked the channel before they went live. I don't think there's any way around this happening either, unless it's a recent development.

as an example, a twitch stream key looks something like live_30945977_77ZBLHRFs9ymcSbISChHHRd (i've taken a few characters off the end so no one hijacks my twitch). I've never streamed via a console like PS4 or Xbox One, so I don't know if that uses a stream key or account system.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Shaymin on August 17, 2015, 22:14
Stream keys are just strings of text you put into streaming software that tells it what channel to stream to basically. You can find it on your Twitch Dashboard under the Stream Key setting, or you can add authorized broadcasters to a channel which will e-mail them the stream key.

Switching between streamers works by a system of "whoever went live most recently is the stream being broadcast", at least last time I checked. So if I was streaming, and you went live, it would switch to you streaming without any sort of warning or prompting, so it would be important that users checked the channel before they went live. I don't think there's any way around this happening either, unless it's a recent development.

as an example, a twitch stream key looks something like live_30945977_77ZBLHRFs9ymcSbISChHHRd (i've taken a few characters off the end so no one hijacks my twitch). I've never streamed via a console like PS4 or Xbox One, so I don't know if that uses a stream key or account system.

Streaming via a console requires you to log into your twitch account via the console. Or at least that's what I remember. I stream using the Xbone occasionally
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kpyna on August 18, 2015, 02:57
If this twitch channel became a thing I'd definitely be down to do a show for it! I've been thinking about getting into it recently and this seems like a good way to get myself doing it :p
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Freestyler on August 18, 2015, 22:48
Yes it's a pity, but I think the site hasn't been all that active for a while now. It's kind of crazy to think that I've been on this site for almost 10 years. Nonetheless, even at that, I'm not a member of this site for nearly as long as a lot of other people. A lot of you more than likely don't even know who I am! Nevertheless, I really do understand and appreciate all of that

I think my account on PKMN.net is one of the first accounts for anything I've ever (somewhat) stuck to on the internet. For me, this account has always felt like it's just been there. I know I haven't been a regular user, especially in recent times, and I don't really know or never did get to know many of the more well-known members, but PKMN.net has always been a website that sticks out for me in a way other ones simply can't

One thing that has always stuck out in particular about PKMN.net for me is the humour. I just love the humour on this site. Am I the only one who misses that (I think it was called...) Harry Haunter comedy series thing from a few years ago?! There are quite a few people on here who I'd just love to meet sometime.

The community also sticks out, people used to and still do discuss and share interesting/personal/everyday aspects of their lives, which is something you could never see in the same kind of way on monotonous social networking sites like Facebook where everyone is made out to be some kind of cutting-edge socialite when in reality most tend to be moderately average. The discussions here, for me, have always felt that bit more authentic and raw. It hasn't been a case whereby people have been discussing these particular aspects in order to climb endless social ladders, rather, people would talk about them for the sake of talking about them

When I was much younger, I always found most of the members to be so intelligent and charming, it was such a breath of fresh air to see that, especially when I was in my early years at secondary school. I looked back over some of my much earlier posts tonight and, honestly, they feel as if they were posted by some crazy little kid behind a computer. It doesn't feel like it was me, but it was me, and it just goes to show how much has changed and evolved with time since then

I don't think I was liked that much when I was younger on this site but as time went on, I got to know a few people. All the same, I was still just a young teenager with too much time on his hands. I probably spurted out loads of crazy statements and lies as well which just seems so crazy to think about now, but similarly to what I mentioned above, it just feels like they were produced by some kid with a computer who just so happened to be myself at a much younger age

Here I am, defending myself and my misdemeanours as a young teen O0 but I just thought I'd take a moment to reflect, I don't think I've ever written something like this here before! I'm a proud occasional lurker and I'm really thankful for PKMN.net :)
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on August 19, 2015, 02:21
If this twitch channel became a thing I'd definitely be down to do a show for it! I've been thinking about getting into it recently and this seems like a good way to get myself doing it :p

In that case then I think this has all the makings of an opportunity that should be seized.

Looks like we'd have to share an account though, which I doubt would be a problem. We'd have to make sure everyone who becomes a part of it is responsible and I imagine there won't be any overlapping times. We could always use a Google Docs spreadsheet as a timetable or something similar.

What exactly is everyone here planning to or wanting to stream? I won't be streaming anything myself, I guess I'm just coordinating the idea to some extent.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: aer_dingus on August 19, 2015, 04:51
Well I'm definitely not an active member of this site but I do like to log in every once in a while to see what's up. I used to come here for the sprite art all the time. I still like seeing sprite work and making my own sprites - something that i never knew existed before i found this site.

i'm very glad that its still up and running.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Shaymin on August 19, 2015, 14:05
In that case then I think this has all the makings of an opportunity that should be seized.

Looks like we'd have to share an account though, which I doubt would be a problem. We'd have to make sure everyone who becomes a part of it is responsible and I imagine there won't be any overlapping times. We could always use a Google Docs spreadsheet as a timetable or something similar.

What exactly is everyone here planning to or wanting to stream? I won't be streaming anything myself, I guess I'm just coordinating the idea to some extent.

As I can only stream via Xbox (my laptop isn't up to scrub to stream), I can stream Dragon Age, Assassin's Creed, and a couple other video games I have.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kpyna on August 19, 2015, 15:10
What exactly is everyone here planning to or wanting to stream? I won't be streaming anything myself, I guess I'm just coordinating the idea to some extent.

I personally wanna stream bad (or good!) fanmade pokemon games :p I doubt I'd really have trouble with overlapping other people's stream times, seeing that I'm American and the time differences are kinda stark.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Del on August 19, 2015, 16:15
I could stream some fun challenge runs of some of the official Pokémon games, I haven't streamed properly in a long time so it'd be nice to get back into it with this, even if my quality might not be as great as I'd like it to be.

On top of that I'm happy to help walk anyone through setting up OBS if they wanna stream from their PC/Laptops, since I know for a lot of people who have never streamed (and even a lot of people who HAVE streamed) it can be confusing and hard to work out sometimes.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Shaymin on August 19, 2015, 20:13
oh yeah, I forgot about fanmade pokemon games (and i have something to play gamecube and wii games for my pc) so when I set up my main pc/get a new one I could possibly do that too
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on August 20, 2015, 03:23
One important thing to take into consideration with the fanmade games is that these would basically be ROM hacks, which is against the forum rules. I know Twitch themselves aren't against it because plenty of people do the same, but if we were to do anything as PKMN.NET officially on Twitch then we'd have to make sure Joeno was fine with it. It all depends on which rules carry across to twitch and which ones don't. There may be a different reason as to why fanmade games can't be discussed on a forum of a domain/site that's managed/hosted in Joeno's name as opposed to a 3rd party service which cares less.

Even so, thinking more about the content - Does anyone have any opinions on how Pokemon related we should keep the stream? I'm guessing people will want to do more than just Pokemon, but do we keep it in the realm of Nintendo at least or just go all out?

Same question also goes out to whoever is interested in running/managing the tumblr account (if we end up with one), anyone got any content ideas for that? I think it'd be nice if we could have the same people across all platforms, whether it's streaming or blogging or social media - the idea here is to build up more of a community so we don't want people pigeonholing themselves into singular roles too much and becoming too spread out; sharing tasks and overlap = good. Maybe Skype among yourselves and play some games together or something to get used to each other.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kpyna on August 20, 2015, 04:53
Yeah, I figured if that was a problem then I could do nuzlockes. But, while of course we don't have official word, the way I look at it is that I feel like on a forum talking about ROMs is bad because you don't wanna be circulating the actual files, or the links, or get the place known as a place to find ROMs. As well, now that I remember, we've had people on Fake Whatever make functioning fake pokemon games before and show off the demos, which... ROMs. And, on top of that, streaming the older games in particular is pretty difficult without ROMs. I think if the use of ROMs would be reasonable so long as we're not really promoting or selling them. Or I was just planning on just kind of pleading the fifth :p But, here I go breaking the rules and talking about them anyway

I feel like keeping at least mostly a pokemon focus would be preferable, but I don't see why other games can't be streamed. I think it would be cool if any of the people interested in competitive battling would stream their showdowns, even though Competitive Battling doesn't get as much love here as other places.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on August 20, 2015, 08:22
Yeah, I figured if that was a problem then I could do nuzlockes. But, while of course we don't have official word, the way I look at it is that I feel like on a forum talking about ROMs is bad because you don't wanna be circulating the actual files, or the links, or get the place known as a place to find ROMs. As well, now that I remember, we've had people on Fake Whatever make functioning fake pokemon games before and show off the demos, which... ROMs. And, on top of that, streaming the older games in particular is pretty difficult without ROMs. I think if the use of ROMs would be reasonable so long as we're not really promoting or selling them. Or I was just planning on just kind of pleading the fifth :p But, here I go breaking the rules and talking about them anyway

Re: people with fake pokemon games, I've seen many topics locked by various admins for advertising a fake Pokémon game - Lewis' was slightly different though because he actually made his fake game in RPG maker, so it wasn't actually using a rom to be made. You might be able to find a similar game, and then I don't believe it would be breaking rules, but idk.

Edit: and the current one about a game that shows up first talks about "designing a pokemon game" - he hasn't even said he'll make it, and even if he did he might make it similarly to Lewis so, although I obviously can't speak for admins, I'd assume they felt there wasn't enough evidence he was referring to a ROM hack he was making.

But I think the main reason for no ROM discussion was that the sharing of them would give Nintendo / GF grounds to sue the site, and from that perspective it's not fair that admins - especially Jeroen who I believe holds the domain - to have the worry of being sued (I know the chances of Nintendo suing over a few ROMs is like... Zero, but given we're talking about millions of pounds most likely, it's quite a big risk to take!). I imagine the only way a twitch channel would be allowed it is to have a completely different person registered as the intellectual property owner.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kpyna on August 20, 2015, 14:57
Maybe it was made with RPG Maker, but I seem to remember there was a game being made by a user of this site back in '08 or so that asked if we could make sprites and stuff for their game and they eventually released their demo of what they had done thus far. I mean, maybe that one just glided by the admins, but, whatever. I understand if they don't wanna be connected with it whatsoever, but I feel like not allowing us to simulate games on our PCs would limit the twitch idea.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on August 20, 2015, 17:30
Tbf as long as you don't say "Here we're playing a ROM of xxx" there's no real evidence to say you are - it could just be being recorded off of something similar to Elgato, so it's safe from any action against it. The problem only arises in ROM hacks, where data is actually edited, which whilst a lot more fun and unique does giveaway that you're using a ROM.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Lord Raven on August 20, 2015, 19:09
To be fair, this is the only site I've been to that's had a problem with actually mentioning ROMs, ROM Hacks, and Patches.  I mean yeah they're illegal to play, but it's not like sponsors will pull their advertisements from here, because every other forum I've been to has had a bunch of similar sponsors and they still allow this kind of stuff.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SaRo|Rapidash on August 20, 2015, 19:56
I guess it's easier to just have a complete zero tolerance on them because the moment you give leeway it can grow until it's a bit too lenient. Not saying I agree with it, just that I can see the reasoning behind it.

Would be cool to have a complete PKMN.net regional dex of Fakémon, though, even if not for a ROM, but finding the spriters is generally the hardest bit with fakémon, s you find most spriters do recolours / mixes but draw the line at complete scratches =/ Could give a pretty cool USP to the site though.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on August 20, 2015, 23:10
I've not seen any other forums with the same rules either. But with that said, I can understand why Joeno wouldn't want them on the forum. If the worst came to the worst, the reality/likelihood is that there would have to be numerous ROM hacks being shared for an extended period of time before Nintendo did anything and at that point they'd probably send a cease and desist of which we'd have to comply. I can see why anyone running a site just wouldn't want to get involved in the first place.

If we were to set up an 'official' channel on twitch, it's not really a case of whether or not you're playing a pirated game (Because there's no real way of telling) but more about whether or not we as 'PKMN.NET' want to associate with ROM hacks of Pokemon games when the forum rules say otherwise. I know twitch doesn't object to people using emulators or playing ROM hacks, one of their biggest publicity stunts was having a bowl of goldfish playing a Pokemon ROM in plain sight.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: ShiraBliss on August 20, 2015, 23:56
I joined in senior year of high school... now I'm 23 and have a BFA in Animation and work at Floyd County Productions.

I used to log on every day when I signed up, and now today is the first day that I've logged on since August 2014.

The website is slowing down a little bit, but I still feel so nostalgic logging on and talking about Pokemon. My coworkers are super cool, but a handful of them are pokemon fans, and only my friends from college still play (and only 2 have XY/ORAS).

It's nice going online and talking to people who love the same things that I do, and it's really refreshing seeing old faces from when I was more active still involved and popping up around PKMN.net

Even if things are slowing down and people are moving on, I still thoroughly enjoy revisiting the forums and browsing. It's nostalgic, and seeing both new and old faces just... IDK, it makes me happy.

I sound like an old woman, the way I prattle on about nostalgia. I am truly a 90s kid.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Lord Raven on August 21, 2015, 02:35
I guess it's easier to just have a complete zero tolerance on them because the moment you give leeway it can grow until it's a bit too lenient. Not saying I agree with it, just that I can see the reasoning behind it.

Would be cool to have a complete PKMN.net regional dex of Fakémon, though, even if not for a ROM, but finding the spriters is generally the hardest bit with fakémon, s you find most spriters do recolours / mixes but draw the line at complete scratches =/ Could give a pretty cool USP to the site though.

It's quite simple.  Most places I know of allow

- Discussion of ROMs
- Discussion of emulators
- Zero tolerance on linking, uploading, and advertising ROMs/emulators
- Linking PATCHES to ROMs are allowed, but not a pre-patched ROM or the ROM itself
- Discussing patches is allowed too

There's no real gray area or slippery slope here.  Having a bunch of restrictions is unique to this forum, and it's not like other forums don't have advertisers from toy shops and stuff like that.

I'm not really gonna push any sort of agenda here or whatever, but those are the facts and I'm not sure how stingy the staff is about this.  Especially since now's a time to be less stingy about things.  I'm not suggesting becoming a full blown rom/romhacks site but I'm also not suggesting censoring it like we censor blocked.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on August 24, 2015, 02:20
So, I'd like to get back to the streaming/tumblr/social media ideas. Can we have a show of hands of who's interested in doing something like this? I'm going to put a template form below, it's nothing official but just kind of states what you're interested in. Here's an example of how it might get filled out, be as flexible/creative with it as you want:

Username/Preferred Name: Turner
What you're interested in: Streaming videogames, streaming art, managing a tumblr account, other
Specifics: I want to do one weekly stream demonstrating competitive battling techniques and another weekly stream reviewing Pokemon toys
How much time you can contribute: 2 hours of streaming a week
Do you have an existing stream or tumblr account?: Yes, it's twitch.tv/turnerfrompkmnnet
Anything else to add?: Yes I think either John/Loz would be really good at running a PKMN.NET tumblr.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Lord Raven on August 24, 2015, 02:30
Username/Preferred Name:  Raven
Interested in:  General activity, streaming video games (namely Berwick Saga at the moment), recording "high level" playthroughs (low turn counts of FE for instance)
Time/Specifics:  I'm not sure what my streaming schedule will be like, since I'm in school
Twitch account:  twitch.tv/lraven17
Anything else to add:  I'll back whatever you need me to back, I'm gonna take a backseat to this and just offer suggestions.  I think we should try to make IRC a thing again, since nobody goes there anymore.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Del on August 24, 2015, 02:33
Username/Preferred Name: Del or Tides
What you're interested in: Streaming videogames / Helping set up streams.
Specifics: I'd probably stream Pokémon games or something, I'd have to think about how regular I'd like it to be though. I'll say weekly but I'd probably stream more often than that to be honest. Could also stream other games, I'm not 100% on just Pokémon content, depends what people would want to see.
How much time you can contribute: Honestly depends how I'm feeling, at least two to three hours a week though.
Do you have an existing stream or tumblr account?: Yeah, twitch.tv/tidesofdel, but I'd likely make a new one if we decide to use separate accounts.
Anything else to add?: can't promise particularly high quality streams because i don't have a great upload rate but my heart makes up for my lack of upload
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kpyna on August 24, 2015, 05:34
Username/Preferred Name: Liz / Kpyna
What you're interested in: Streaming videogames, I can help find and relay news for a tumblr -- I'm down for most anything.
Specifics: Nuzlockes, fanmade games, other fun variants of games.
How much time you can contribute: This is hard for me to pin down for sure with school starting up, but I'd say bare minimum would be like 2 hours, I'm sure I'll be able to let you guys know for sure in a few weeks.
Do you have an existing stream or tumblr account?: No existing twitch atm, kroopatroopa.tumblr.com is my dusty tumblr
Anything else to add?: I'm pretty uninitiated to the whole twitch thing minus using it to watch DOTA and Twitch Plays Pokemon. I have a friend who does some charity work through twitch, he said he'd help me get a stream started, but I appreciate any tips you guys can offer me of course.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Lord Raven on August 24, 2015, 07:22
i nominate liz for any social media thing because liz is rad
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Shaymin on August 24, 2015, 10:05
Username/Preferred Name: Loz/Shaymin/Cake
What you're interested in: Video game streaming, tumblr
Specifics: Currently I can stream any games I own on the Xbone (which is like, Inquisition, Legend of Korra and Ass Creed). I'm going to either try to save up or take stream tips in order to purchase whatever I need to be able to stream via xbox 360 (if my mum doesn't try to sell it), Wii and Wii U. If my computer behaves/I set up my other one, I may be able to stream games from my PC
How much time you can contribute: Currently a lot of time. When uni gets into swing, my time will lessen. Also depends on when my mum's up because I feel less comfortable streaming when she's in the room (as the consoles are in the living room)
Do you have an existing stream or tumblr account?: twitch.tv/shinypikachu93, spockdropandroll.tumblr.com. I also have a youtube where my streams are uploaded, here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMwum2WeavZSpaNfG1FU0RQ)
Anything else to add?: i'd be down to run a tumblr
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: sylar on August 24, 2015, 10:56
Username/Preferred Name: Sylar, I like to be called Rudy (John is fine too)
What you're interested in: streaming art, maybe Videogames? I don't play many Videogames except guild wars 2, and all I do there is pve. I guess we could do a pkmn.net fractal/dungeon group if anyone else played it. Mostly art though I suppose.
Specifics: i mostly do like, Steven universe fanart or original story stuff nowadays but if we're doing tip things I could do pay what you want Pokemon requests I suppose. I ain't doing them for free tho the most free ones I'd do would be ones I wanna draw but if you want specifics then PAY UP!!!!!!!
How much time you can contribute: depends on my current workload. I'm free any day of the week at any time right now, but I also have commissions to do so those would be the priority. But I could probably be in with the 2 hour crowd, though I've had streams go up to 8 hours before LOL
Do you have an existing stream or tumblr account?: 8anter.tumblr.com, uglytrolls.tumblr.com is my never updated art tumblr too.
Anything else to add?: i could do a tumblr account or a Twitter account if we do that too. I'm Mentally Ill™ and it pretty much controls me so I'll be working probably based on how well my brains working that day.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Inferna on August 24, 2015, 11:40
Username/Preferred Name: Inferna/Courtney
What you're interested in: Probably streaming art I guess? I'd be up for helping to run any tumblr/twitter things and I'd be more than happy to make some graphics for each streamer as well as ones advertising it.
Specifics: I'd prefer doing pokemon art and making any of the graphics for a stream as long as they aren't too complex or time consuming. I've got access to Adobe programs and I'm pretty competent at using the main 3 programs (illustrator/ps/InDesign). Obviously I'd like to be credited for what I produce!
I'd be up for doing the whole branding side of things as well I guess? If we have a feel/vibe we want to go for then I'd be okay with doing that. Like if we want to have everything fairly consistent or not.
How much time you can contribute: not 100% sure on this yet, I start uni in a few weeks. I'm only in 3 days a week as far as I know right now so maybe a few hours on those days? If it's for background stuff then as and when I can I guess.
Do you have an existing stream or tumblr account?: infernnaaa.tumblr.com is my normal tumblr and infernasartss.tumblr.com is my art one.
Anything else to add?: I've never really streamed before but like I'm up for learning!
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Liam on August 24, 2015, 11:51
I have no artistic talent or games what can I do? lol
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kerou 犠牲 on August 24, 2015, 16:42
I have no artistic talent or games what can I do? lol

wanna do a sporadic podcast or something?

it'd be very hard for me to commit to anything due to full time work and other stuff right now so I could only do stuff at like, very random stages and I'm not really talented or have the resources to do streaming stuff (although I would be very interested in streaming games / video commentary)
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: ShiraBliss on August 24, 2015, 17:09
Username/Preferred Name: Shira/Lily
What you're interested in: Managing a tumblr or twitter account? (I can't take on too much stuff with my job)
Specifics: Use twitter and tumblr to advertise PKMN.net and blog about new Pokemon developments, competitive strategy, reviews, etc.
How much time you can contribute: That depends. I can get a lot of social media stuff done during my lunchbreaks, and when we don't have a crunch I have about 2 or so hours each day to myself, but if we are in a crunch I'm going to be working with little sleep.
Do you have an existing stream or tumblr account?: I do, but I can't share it on a child-friendly forum. I reblog some NSFW stuff (nudity, swearing,  etc.)
Anything else to add?: Yeah. I can draw and paint and color artwork if we need some extra.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Liam on August 24, 2015, 22:34
wanna do a sporadic podcast or something?

it'd be very hard for me to commit to anything due to full time work and other stuff right now so I could only do stuff at like, very random stages and I'm not really talented or have the resources to do streaming stuff (although I would be very interested in streaming games / video commentary)

what kind of podcast are you thinking of?

like just chatting about general life? or Pokémon? I haven't played Pokémon in years so I think it'd be cool to try and talk about something I've lost all sense of how to play aha.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Kerou 犠牲 on August 25, 2015, 17:22
what kind of podcast are you thinking of?

like just chatting about general life? or Pokémon? I haven't played Pokémon in years so I think it'd be cool to try and talk about something I've lost all sense of how to play aha.

we could be like old men reminiscing about it something if needs be

I was just throwing out an idea of something I dunno lmao
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Del on August 25, 2015, 23:41
Apparently Youtube Gaming, Youtube's new streaming service, is going live tomorrow. It might be worth looking into that as a potential option if we decide to go forward with streaming. I don't know anything about it or how it compares to Twitch though.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Turner on September 07, 2015, 03:03
Okay, been dealing with some personal stuff so I haven't had much time to get back to this, but I want to make sure we don't lose momentum here.

I've looked into YouTube gaming and I don't think it's mature enough as a platform to really use at this point. It also looks as though Nintendo's copyright bot is wiping everyone off YouTube, even if they've officially been partnered with Nintendo, so I guess they're going for the 'Shoot first, ask questions later' approach.

Is anyone still up for doing this?
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Del on September 07, 2015, 14:07
Yeah within a few hours of YT Gaming going live I'd written it off honestly, I doubt it'll ever be the "Twitch Killer" people were saying it would be.

I'm still up for it.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: The name master on September 26, 2015, 10:48
It's such ashame! I've not even had the chance to get a name rated! Oh well! I guess the community thing is keeping this website alive! Just...  :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Ultraseb on October 26, 2016, 21:47
I've just come back! With the new Sun/Moon i'm sure there's bound to be a massive rehaul and update!! :D
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Petzbreeder on October 27, 2016, 10:24
I've just come back!

I can't really say I know you or anything, but welcome back!

I really think someone should try to revive the forum. I'm going to make a trading thread once I get all the foreign versions of Pokemon Black.

Once Nooby has updated the X/Y software for his GamePRO, I'll be using it for shiny breeding.
I'll probably use it for mass breeding too, if a certain Pokemon is high in demand.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: The name master on October 27, 2016, 10:39
I somehow magically make activity in this forum, but not enough to revive it!
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: sans the skeleton on October 27, 2016, 13:10
holy necromancing batman and it wasnt name guy for once
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SirBlaziken on October 27, 2016, 21:33
TBH the only reason i'm still around is because of savages like sylar and beth and poison

God bless these people.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: sans the skeleton on October 27, 2016, 23:06
why did u strike out my name,,,,,, am i not SPECIAL enough for yuo?????

im writing about this on my blog blaziken im calling you out
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on October 28, 2016, 03:20
You know what I miss the most on this site? The Caption Comtest. I loved coming up with clever things for the pics.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Joeno on October 28, 2016, 07:53
I just approved a bunch more images. Let me know when they run out again, as long as people suggest them it's pretty easy for me to approve them.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: The name master on October 28, 2016, 08:03
why did u strike out my name,,,,,, am i not SPECIAL enough for yuo????
You should consider yourself lucky! I'm not on the list at all!

You know what I miss the most on this site? The Caption Comtest. I loved coming up with clever things for the pics.
You know, I just posted a thread for that, but no one as usual is posting in it!
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Captain Jigglypuff on October 28, 2016, 14:24
I just approved a bunch more images. Let me know when they run out again, as long as people suggest them it's pretty easy for me to approve them.

There is nothing new on the Caption Contest page.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Joeno on October 28, 2016, 14:30
These tend to trigger overnight when the script runs, so you should see them tomorrow morning if everything is set up correctly.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: lets all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes on October 29, 2016, 00:07
TBH the only reason i'm still around is because of savages like sylar and beth and poison

God bless these people.

aww, bless u (http://i.imgur.com/tbzikbA.gif) as in genuinely bless cos i know theres a Southerner's "god bless you" which means something different. like i should have moved on from this place a long time ago after some Various Confabulations happened but its some of u little pipsqueak nerds that keep me checkin back every so often. gotta do my rounds in the pokemon baby daycare centre every so often n all that



I've just come back! With the new Sun/Moon i'm sure there's bound to be a massive rehaul and update!! :D

were getting an huge update where u pick what version ur getting which makes you either Team Sun or Team Moon on the forums. what happens is

- Team Moon can basically recreate our own butt in the forum software to "Moon" other members
- the team sun members upon seein our fine lookin posteriers can say "Sun.........i am disappoint"
- new avatars depending on what version you picked
- the moon ones avatars will be either the majoras mask moon or a butt, p much pokemon moon fans in a nutshell
- the sun ones will be that sun baby from teletubbies or the angry sun from mario 3, again, very representative of pokemon sun fans
- you know that running meter in mario 3? well the pokemon sun people have it but with Post instead and when they post a lot the the Full P Meter running noise plays and the angry sun avatar people can swooooooooop the sun down and destroy some of Team Moon's posts with extreme predujuice. i am gettin pokemon moon (im a butt obvs) so i hope everyone will destr oy lots of my posts spectaculkarly

i take my consultation fee in cheque or bacs transfer, tia
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SirBlaziken on October 29, 2016, 00:58
- the sun ones will be that sun baby from teletubbies or the angry sun from mario 3, again, very representative of pokemon sun fans

As someone who chose sun over moon, I can confirm this.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: Raphetty on December 13, 2016, 17:57
Actually I prefer a dead forum to an alive one, for if it were alive my posts would get swamped with 100s of other posts and would never get noticed.
Title: Re: This website is dead
Post by: SugarRushSylveon on January 21, 2017, 22:47
I knew this site was dead and I joined anyway because Name Rater is hilarious. :laugh:  :-[