Ordinarily I don't bother with posting leaks/rumours but as I mentioned in another thread, a leaker by the name 'Hiro' has had an impressive track record when it comes to leaks: from leaking the B/W starters weeks before they were announced (Look up the 'Wottergate' scandal) to leaking various HG/SS information and confirming the new Mewtwo form, 'Hiro's leaks have never been wrong.
A matter of minutes ago he leaked to a Spanish Pokemon community (Where the other leaks have taken place) and his private twitter feed. The types of Xerneas, Yveltal and Sylveon, he claims:
Xerneas is Fairy Type
Sylveon is Fairy Type
Yveltal is Dark/Flying type
I can't provide any links (as it goes against the site rules) but this is a very interesting prospect and as mentioned, Hiro has never been wrong before.
Obviously nothing is official until it's official, but this is the only rumour that holds weight so far (And Hiro's rumours hold a lot of weight). Thankfully, it seems like Hiro seems to leak info closely before the official announcement, so hopefully it won't be long from now.
So. This is pretty much what I have been expecting all this time through close research of the Pokemon games and Sylveon/Ninfia.
Discuss away?
cue "pokemon is a fairy princess game" sort of jokes
Kind of interesting, I don't see the need for an 18th type but I feel like XY is going to be something special. Yveltal is Dark/Flying, good stuff because I wanted to use it and now that it has a cool typing I know I'm getting Y. (I'm also getting Y because I'm a man)
^ In my opinion this 'fairy' type is probably going to be a lot less 'cute' than people have in mind. Based on what I looked up on Sylveon, some of the clues in X/Y we've seen so far and other research, I can imagine this will be a lot more 'foresty' and fairy-tale like than just cute Pokemon. I had a feeling Xerneas would be fairy type because there is often a mythological Stag in many of these fairytales that originate from old European and Scandinavian folklore.
I think it was a matter of time before a new type was added, thankfully GF are pretty conservative with some of the game elements and don't cheesily add-on new types. I think fairy will be slowly grown over a period of Gens rather than becoming a big player right away.
I'm also expecting a lot of dragon-types too, not just OU/Pseudo-legendaries but smaller Pokemon too, it'll fit with the mythology quite well.
I'm quite curious to see what type advantages and disadvantages fairy types would have. I can't really see any clear ones.
I'm still not convinced that this new type is going to happen but maybe that's because I don't really want one and I'm in denial lol
What I am interested to see though will be how many (if any) old 'mons will be retyped if this "Fairy" type becomes a thing? (I hope it gets renamed, even Magic type or something would do) I mean surely things like the Clefairy line would have to change? Not that I'd have a problem with that, but I think we could expect to see a lot of Normal types being changed...
sorry this post probably made zero sense I'm tired and hungover and hungry
i predict vigoroth will be a fairy type
The what? Fairy Type? No... just... no. I'd rather have my form for Mew than... that.
At least rename it Light Type. Please. Just... Please.
I'm guessing Clefairy, Clefable, Togepi, Togetic, Togekiss, Sylveon, Xerneas, Celebi.
Maybe Audino/Chansey/Blissey too? Though I imagine fairy will make Clefable a better threat for Blissey
harley will be the fairy type gym leader
Quote from: Clairefable on April 21, 2013, 18:32
I mean surely things like the Clefairy line would have to change? Not that I'd have a problem with that, but I think we could expect to see a lot of Normal types being changed...
Normal type seems to be the dumping ground of things they couldn't put anywhere else, if it mops a few of them then fair enough. I also hope it gets renamed to magic if it's not total BS. Light would still be better IMO.
I dunno, I think Light is a bit vague sounding... then again so is Fairy. I want something grandiose like Illusion Type or something similarly ridiculous. :V
Well Dark is basically 'Evil' type in Japanese but the localization crew didn't want 'evil' to be in a kids game.
I wonder how they will localize Fairy if at all. I'm pretty sure it implies 'Fairy tale' so they might have to come up with a name to imply that instead.
I really like the idea of a 'Fairy' Type and hope they don't rename it. tbh I'll just be glad if there's a new type and will be majorly disappointed if it gets renamed/translated or whatever to light type.
The potential for Fairy is awesome. I'd love to see some Finnish fairytale creatures inspiring Pokemon. A fairytale frog or caterpillar would be really awesome. I wonder if they'll use another Mushroom Pokemon, there is a naturally occurring phenomena called 'Fairy rings' whereby rings of mushrooms grow for unknown reasons and it is said fairies dance inside them.
I'm guessing the fairy types will be weak to one or more of the following:
Dark
Rock
Ice
Electric
Light and Fairy aren't interchangeable,they're going have to keep the translation pretty close to the original Japanese - otherwise you may get descriptions that don't fit Pokemon (say if they renamed Fairy as Light, and Clefairy was a Light type or something, doesn't fit as comfortably as Fairy does it.)
I'm personally very interested in future developments.
Quote from: Ledyba on April 21, 2013, 22:21
Light and Fairy aren't interchangeable,they're going have to keep the translation pretty close to the original Japanese - otherwise you may get descriptions that don't fit Pokemon (say if they renamed Fairy as Light, and Clefairy was a Light type or something, doesn't fit as comfortably as Fairy does it.)
I'm personally very interested in future developments.
Well Sylveon = Sylvan much like Ninfia = Nymph. Most of the Eeveelution names are similar but not the same as their type (Flare, leaf, vapour, jolt, umbra, ESP, glacia). So 'Sylvan' type is probably unlikely.
I think it'll be either Fairy or Magic
Yah. Excellent points. John I must say you've been excellent on the research stuff. Good work mate.
Personally, I'm excited to see what older Pokemon this would effect, and depending on it's properties plus any new abilities and or moves may make some Pokemon at the back very interesting to use again.
Quote from: Turner on April 21, 2013, 21:50
The potential for Fairy is awesome. I'd love to see some Finnish fairytale creatures inspiring Pokemon. A fairytale frog or caterpillar would be really awesome. I wonder if they'll use another Mushroom Pokemon, there is a naturally occurring phenomena called 'Fairy rings' whereby rings of mushrooms grow for unknown reasons and it is said fairies dance inside them.
Shroomish comes to mind, it looks it and is in the fairy egg group. But then there's the issue of Breloom, can't see triple types, and losing either of it's other types won't go down too well.
Quote from: Ledyba on April 21, 2013, 22:42
Yah. Excellent points. John I must say you've been excellent on the research stuff. Good work mate.
Personally, I'm excited to see what older Pokemon this would effect, and depending on it's properties plus any new abilities and or moves may make some Pokemon at the back very interesting to use again.
Competitively a few people are saying that Fairy Clefable would be a good much needed rival to Blissey.
And thanks for the comments, I'm pretty happy this is taking shape not just because 'HA HA I'M RIGHT' but because I was one of the sole people getting the theory off the ground in the beginning through research and looking at the tiny details and it feels good to see that I wasn't just reading into things too much.
Quote from: RocketMember002 on April 21, 2013, 23:16
Shroomish comes to mind, it looks it and is in the fairy egg group. But then there's the issue of Breloom, can't see triple types, and losing either of it's other types won't go down too well.
I think there are definitely a few potentials. Check this image.
(http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/attachments/f693/86534-new-type-alterations-type-chart-fairy-types.png)
I didn't make this image, but the three posts below are ones I wrote elsewhere about this elsewhere.
I think the person here has just gone for the cutesy Pokemon (Kind of contradicts what I wrote actually) but really I'd say there are better alternatives. Fairy could (And might well) look more like a cross between Bug & Grass than your typical 'cutesy' Pokemon. I think the flexibility with a Fairy type is pretty good, a lot of the Finnish and Scandenavian fairytales have some weird things in there. I'll be excited to see a Fairy/Ghost type someway down the line and also I expect the introduction of some early/mid-game Dragon types too, I'm guessing if they go all out on this line they will probably want to do fairies vs dragons, it could be very interesting competitively speaking. You have cutesy and evil dragons, just like you have some evil and cutesy fairies.
Remind me why we need another type?
And why this Hiro person has to ALWAYS be correct, even if he has predicted things before?
I won't mind Fairy type if it resists Dragon. Competitively, we need another type to resist Dragon. Also, changing one of the types of old Pokemon to Fairy annoys me, such as Jirachi, Celebi and Gallade. Other than that, I'm not bothered one way or another.
Quote from: ajeeth23 on April 22, 2013, 05:51
Remind me why we need another type?
idk don't knock it till it happens
QuoteAnd why this Hiro person has to ALWAYS be corrct, even if he has predicted things before?
We're not saying he's correct, we're saying that there's a chance this may happen and/or creating grounds for discussion. Don't try to be critical when there's nothing to be critical about.
Fairy TYPE and Fairy EGG GROUP too?
Aha, Pokemon X and Y is trying to be as new and different a Pokemon game as possible.
Well, I never.
This means that Clefairy and any other Pokemon of the Fairy egg group will have to be recasted as a Fairy-type.
I'm remaining dubious about this. I'm well aware of Wottergate, I daresay it opened my eyes a bit, and I'm also aware of said person's credibility, that is if we're thinking of the same person here. I'm aware of the leak he received, but I know he's been hit and miss when it comes to such leaks before. In all truth, it wouldn't surprise me if he's a willing pawn in a larger scheme of things.
When it comes to leaks and the like prior to a game's release, you've got three situations. There's an official release of information, usually to or by the media (magazines, YouTube channels), an accidental release of information (such as screenshots of posters that aren't meant to be seen by the general public) or a staged 'accidental' release such as when things are intentionally leaked by, in this case, Nintendo or GameFreak to suit an undisclosed agenda.
It's not unusual for any entertainment company to release certain bits of information to the public to strike up interest in something, whether those truths turn out to be factually true or not. Sometimes you'll find it's down to a camera-happy passerby who stumbles across gold, much like the Mewtwo forme pictures, other times it's employees who strategically release bits to the public with the idea of keeping interest high. This wouldn't be too farfetched a concept considering that the recent CoroCoro issue revealed something that had, in my eyes, been an accidental leak, so it could be feasible to assume that GameFreak feel that the new forme being leaked prior to their big announcement isn't enough to whet appetites sufficiently until their next release.
When I say 'whet appetites', I mean enough to keep the messageboards buzzing with the news. At the moment, the Mewtwo forme seems to have not done enough, people have got their own opinions and with the information released so far, there's not a lot of discussion going on between these opinions to keep interest high, before they've returned to discussing this Eeveelution, it's type, whether new types are going to be released.. so on so on. Maybe GameFreak are very split on how a new typing would be received by the masses and thus have strategically released a tidbit of information that will get people talking away, without GameFreak having to confirm to whether the type will be in the new games; if it's not well received, GameFreak deny all, if it's well received, GameFreak announce it at the next big release.
As to a new type, Light will never be a type. I'm almost certain that in the Japanese games, the Fighting type is seen as the 'light' type to oppose the Dark type, but even then it just doesn't hold the same water as the Dark typing does. Between Normal, Electric, Fighting and Psychic there isn't enough of a new variance for there to be a need for a Light type, nor is there a requirement of it to balance a Metagame; Steel and Dark were solely to dilute Psychic's ridiculous power, the only typing that needs scaling down a touch is Dragon, but that's supposed to be powerful by nature anyway. A Fairy typing I'm not convinced with either, it seems too similar to Bug and Flying for it to really.. justify a need for it in terms of the elements. It'd open the door for some new concepts and designs, but there's no reason why those designs can't be constituted by the available typings.
I suppose the argument for a Fairy type would be that it'd come under the same.. 'allowance' as Dragons in that they're of a mythical nature.. but you have to question the timing of it. The introduction of two new types in Generation II only affected the Magnemite line as far as I remember, whilst the change in typing to include the Fairy type would affect quite a lot of Pokémon and could cause disruption. It'd also question what the connectivity between Generation V and VI will be like.. perhaps they'll close the gap off and treat Generation VI (I presume onwards) as a new start.
Maybe I'm just not radical enough for change but, oh, would that disappoint me no end. A new typing would to an extent too, although if it were to affect Generation VI Pokémon only (so Togepi etc would remain their current typing) I wouldn't mind as much..
I still think Sylveon will be a Bug/Flying Pokémon or even a wonderful Bug/Normal. Hmph.
Quote from: Draghost999 on April 22, 2013, 06:29
Fairy TYPE and Fairy EGG GROUP too?
Aha, Pokemon X and Y is trying to be as new and different a Pokemon game as possible.
There's Grass and Water egg-groups too. The Fairy egg group translates as 'Yousei' in Japan, which is closer to pixie/sprite/etc. whereas 'Fairy' in this context is more like 'Fairytale'. In the early days of X/Y speculation I noticed someone on 2ch also considered a 'fairytale' type probably through the same clues I did.
X/Y was in early development before B/W were released so the person who leaked the wottergate information could be the same one leaking the rest of what he knows about X/Y. Hiro said this time that it was a big reveal and that he'd waited a long time to announce it because GameFreak had been keeping the typing unusually secret.
He's never been hit or miss with his leaks before though, that's why people are choosing to believe this; Hiro never has gotten a single leak wrong.
The idea that 'Light' is fighting type in Japanese is wrong, it comes from a commonly misread and mis-google-translated part of the Japanese word used for Fighting type. Fighting translates as 'scuffle' or 'fisticuffs' essentially, there's no honor in there. But I do agree that light type is too vague to happen.
My opinion has been that a new type is inevitible, as well as all the evidence we've seen from corocoro and the constant hyping of Sylveon's mystery type. By Gen VII or VIII, we will definitely be getting bored of the current types and if a new type is introduced too late, boredom may kill the momentum of the games. The fact that they are introducing a new type now doesn't surprise me, it will probably start small and grow larger rather than taking up the limelight right away, I don't think GameFreak will pull something like that.
I don't think retconning is such a big problem either, Pokemon like Clefairy have always shown to be mysterious with little explanation, I wouldn't mind too much if it was discovered to be of a new type.
PS: Did anyone watch the new Mewtwo movie trailer? There's a clip of Sylveon using some bizzare cosmic move and transporting Pikachu and friends to an enchanted world.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTyPZGdEyyc
Quote from: Lord Raven on April 22, 2013, 06:23
idk don't knock it till it happens
We're not saying he's correct, we're saying that there's a chance this may happen and/or creating grounds for discussion. Don't try to be critical when there's nothing to be critical about.
Okay, fine. But the types we had till now are fine. GF don't need to introduce a new type just for the sake of making these games radically different.
Quote from: ajeeth23 on April 23, 2013, 07:01
Okay, fine. But the types we had till now are fine. GF don't need to introduce a new type just for the sake of making these games radically different.
Dragon needs a bit of a nerf, only being resisted by Steel, while all Dragons worth a damn have a powerful Fire attack. If Fairy resisted both, Dragons with good stats wouldn't immediately become top-tier just because nothing can wall them (Garchomp, Dragonite, Salamence, Haxorus, Lati@s).
How is light too vague when dark isn't? There's already a fairly big overlap between that and ghost types.
I know that Masuda said he's not really interested in the idea of 'Light and Dark' when he was talking about Pokemon Black and White because he didn't think it fitted Pokemon. Hence why he chose Truth and Ideals instead.
But...the TCG has done Light and Dark so I'm not sure there.
Personally with regards to Fairy, I think they are trying to convey a 'Nature power' theme. When I was formulating this theory, a lot of it came from the forest Xerneas steps out from and the forest that Sylveon lives in. I'm guessing it'll stay true to the old meaning of Fairies instead of the Tinkerbell pink idea.
Interestingly, when I was thinking about this I realized that a lot of this 'Fairytale nature' theme was already prominent in some of the early Pokemon anime episodes. I decided to look up Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden (Anyone remember this episode?) and check out what I noticed:
(http://assets16.pokemon.com/assets/cms/img/animation/episodeimages/season01/season1_ep48_ss2.jpg)
Remind you of Anything?
(http://nintendo3dsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/xerneas.jpg)
Anyway, if not a 'Fairy' type in English I'm expecting 'Magic', 'Nymph' or maybe 'Spirit'. I don't think Light is too farfetched but I personally can't see it happening.
Masuda also said that recently GameFreak have been really inspired by Miyazaki/Studio Ghibli movies (Xerneas looks a lot like the Shishigami from Mononoke Hime), which have a prevalent nature theme to them. I think Fairy type will explore this idea seeing as Grass-type has branched off more into plant biology than nature spirits in the past few Gens.
Quote from: ajeeth23 on April 23, 2013, 07:01
Okay, fine. But the types we had till now are fine. GF don't need to introduce a new type just for the sake of making these games radically different.
Are you Game Freak?
Quote from: Lord Raven on April 24, 2013, 00:39
Are you Game Freak?
Game Freak don't hire 17 year olds, however sad it is.
No I only asked that question because you seem on declaring GF's intentions
But at any rate, nobody knows why they'd do a Fairy type, its just speculation. As I said, don't knock it till it actually happens, don't play the skeptic or anything; just have fun and speculate. That's all we can do with X&Y at this point. Denouncing rumors is boring.
Quote from: Turner on April 23, 2013, 14:45
Masuda also said that recently GameFreak have been really inspired by Miyazaki/Studio Ghibli movies (Xerneas looks a lot like the Shishigami from Mononoke Hime), which have a prevalent nature theme to them.
Great, so this means we can extend speculation of GF being inspired by Studio Ghibli.
OK, I speculate that one of the legendary Pokemon would be inspired by Ponyo. But who knows? There could be some coincidence on the design of Xerneas.
You know, I'm starting to rather like the idea of a Fairy type... Should make it even more satisfying to obliterate all of those pokemon I really hate...
But if they make a Fairy type they had better make another which is more appealing for use... Can anyone think of another mythical type we could have? Demon type perhaps? ;)
Quote from: Alpha Fenrir on April 24, 2013, 21:02
You know, I'm starting to rather like the idea of a Fairy type... Should make it even more satisfying to obliterate all of those pokemon I really hate...
But if they make a Fairy type they had better make another which is more appealing for use... Can anyone think of another mythical type we could have? Demon type perhaps? ;)
Maybe a dragon type or something.
If Fairy type is a reality it'll probably be SE against dragon.
i can imagine grass,psychic and fairy working well together. Think fairy would be weak to poison like snow white eating dat apple.
I also wonder if they will change the SE and resistances of typing. Would like to see Fighting type be super effective against dragon type and fairy to resist it.
^^^
I'd like poison to own fairy and dragons, and for fairy to own dragons too. Poison needs help and dragon is so OP it's stupid.
Yeah I think universally everyone seems to agree that if there is a new type Poison needs to dominate it.
...There are lots of cases of poison being a killer for fairies in fairytales, so it's not all that unlikely
EDIT: I forgot to mention that said leaker has announced that he will be revealing the starter Pokemon's secondary types sometime this weekend. (By this I presume he means the secondary types of the 1st and 2nd stage evolutions.)
I'm sticking with Fire/Psychic Grass/Dark and Water/Fighting, for some reason I just can personally see this coming true.
What's also kind of funny about it is that if Chespin ends up as a Grass/Dark type and 'Fairy' ends up as super-effective against dark, it will once again make choosing the grass starter difficult throughout the game.
Assuming fairy is a common type though. Dark and steel were very rare in GSC, psychic still did a good job facerolling everything until Jasmine/Morty.
If it's fire/fighting I will cry, then laugh at the inevitable global nerdrage.
Quote from: RocketMember002 on April 25, 2013, 21:12
Assuming fairy is a common type though. Dark and steel were very rare in GSC, psychic still did a good job facerolling everything until Jasmine/Morty.
If it's fire/fighting I will cry, then laugh at the inevitable global nerdrage.
I think with any new type GameFreak won't just throw it in there haphazardly, we'll probably see it develop slowly as the Gens go past. I spent a whole day researching and reading literally every interview with GameFreak I could find and it really restored my confidence in them a lot. They have a good idea of how to implement new features without them seeming gimmicky.
And yeah, I'll laugh if it's Fire/Fighting too because the rage will be glorious but a small part of me will be a little sad they're doing it AGAIN. According to Hiro it isn't Fire/Fighting though and 'We'll never guess it'.
(Apparently, he said someone in the thread he posted in DID guess it correctly but I'm not going to bother listing every type combination they guessed because they pretty much listed every combination thinkable)All this just on the off-chance this guy might be right about what he leaks...we must really be desperate for some X/Y news
Don't get me wrong, I can understand that his previous connections and 'leaks' have usually been spot on, but aren't you placing an awful lot of faith in this Hiro when it's established his connection at GameFreak got fired because he leaked stuff to him at the start of Gen V..?
I'd still be surprised if they did release a Fairy type now..
Quote from: f3raligatr on April 25, 2013, 22:01
Don't get me wrong, I can understand that his previous connections and 'leaks' have usually been spot on, but aren't you placing an awful lot of faith in this Hiro when it's established his connection at GameFreak got fired because he leaked stuff to him at the start of Gen V..?
I'd still be surprised if they did release a Fairy type now..
Well it's a little bit more complicated than that (Hiro and his source (Melkor) worked at Official Ninentendo Magazine Spain but because Melkor was hosting the site the leak was on, he got the can but Hiro stayed on) but to answer your first question, I don't think anyone here is really putting their faith into Hiro, he just happens to be a leaker with a 100% success rate and so his reveals have become an interesting conversation point.
I was expecting a Fairy type before Hiro said anything, but it's definitely the icing on the cake.
Either way it's just something to discuss until we get some official news.
I'm hoping that if the Fairy Type does come to pass that it'd be applied to some older Pokemon. Ratio-wise Steel was only applied to a small amount of Pokemon when GSC came out - only two, that sort of ratio could make things interesting without it being overbearing in a larger number of Pokemon. I would love to see some Pokemon like Clefable, Togekiss really benefit from a new typing. A mixture of new and old showcasing a brand new type would be interesting.
Suppose Wigglytuff wouldn't be applicable to any potential Fairy typing. :< Not sure if there's anything Fairytail about a big balloon rabbit.
Type change for Snubull and Granbull plz. They are Fairy pokemon too, after all... and who wouldn't want a fairy bulldog?
Quote from: f3raligatr on April 25, 2013, 22:01
Don't get me wrong, I can understand that his previous connections and 'leaks' have usually been spot on, but aren't you placing an awful lot of faith in this Hiro when it's established his connection at GameFreak got fired because he leaked stuff to him at the start of Gen V..?
I'd still be surprised if they did release a Fairy type now..
every party needs a pooper thats why they invited you, party pooperrrrrrr party pooperrrrrrr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvfdyoZ9rrw)
but forreal can we ignore the fact that this may or may not be true and speculate??????
Quote from: Ledyba on April 26, 2013, 12:39
I'm hoping that if the Fairy Type does come to pass that it'd be applied to some older Pokemon. Ratio-wise Steel was only applied to a small amount of Pokemon when GSC came out - only two, that sort of ratio could make things interesting without it being overbearing in a larger number of Pokemon. I would love to see some Pokemon like Clefable, Togekiss really benefit from a new typing. A mixture of new and old showcasing a brand new type would be interesting.
Suppose Wigglytuff wouldn't be applicable to any potential Fairy typing. :< Not sure if there's anything Fairytail about a big balloon rabbit.
Yeah it's kind of a shame about Wigglytuff, maybe it will though...who knows, we might see Fairy localized or even called outright something else like 'Nymph' type with a whole different criteria.
I doubt they will retcon many though. Magnemite was the only retconned steel type so I imagine we'll have no more than 10 (Probably closer to 5) retconned Fairy types.
Fairy type...... :-/ I admit I would have been cool with light type, but I don't really know about a FAIRY type.... And wasn't it already announced the light type?
There will be too many retcons if we have a Fairy-type. Any Pokemon in the Fairy egg group will probably end up with this type (which is somewhere around 10 or more).
But then again, maybe there won't be a new type.
Warning, meta-drama ahead
Okay so most of you probably don't care about this seeing as it's ~drama~ and isn't really of interest to anyone who hasn't been following the whole 'Fairygate' thing but...
Melkor posted his thoughts on this whole 'Fairygate' scandal and what really happened during Wottergate and the outcome of the whole situation. I'll summarize it as easily as I can without going too far into the 'he said she said' stuff because nobody wants to hear that.
-He and Hiro both worked at ONM (Official Nintendo Magazine) Spain and back during the run-up to Gen V, they leaked Alpha sprites of the Pokedex, along with fanart of how some of the new Pokemon looked on Melkor's Spanish Pokemon fansite. Supposedly security wasn't as tight back then with who knew what.
-TCPi (The Pokemon Company International) did not take kindly to this and told them to take down both the fanart and the sprites.
-Melkor accepted and took down the sprites but not the fanart. Melkor is a lawyer, knows his rights and claimed that the fanart was going to stay because it didn't breach copyright. TPCi was not happy.
-Neither of the two were fired or received a C&D, but Melkor quit to spend more time on being a lawyer. Security was apparently tightened.
-Fast-forward to 2013: Hiro is leaking statements about Fairy type, but Melkor wants nothing to do with them.
-Melkor says Hiro is taking an extremely big risk by doing what he is doing and that the TPCi will not be happy and that this is the reason he [Melkor] refuses to do anymore leaks unless they are fanart only. He claims we can't assume anything Hiro says is fact, but also claims that the 'Types probably are as leaked'.
-Melkor pre-emptively adds 'Fairy type' to the type-effectiveness chart on his fansite.
And there you have it. Hopefully this wraps the whole drama up.
It sounds very much to me like the leaks are indeed correct but Melkor being a lawyer does not want to blotch his reputation and sees Hiro as being in the crosshairs of TPCi. Poor Hiro looks like he is about to get hit by the proverbial Draco Meteor of TPCi, I'm not really surprised though - Hiro has generally been really trying to squeeze all the popularity and net fame he can out of his leaks. In fact, a few days before Melkor's statement I saw Hiro trying to backpedal slightly (Maybe Melkor warned him) but shortly after he claimed he would release more info about the starters depending on how many followers on twitter he could get (*facepalm*). There is also the rumour that the facebook page that first published the Fairy-type leak paid Hiro for exclusivity of the info, which sounds like a risky business if it is true.
Either way, I wouldn't want to be Hiro right now. At least we have some closure on the issue though, we'll have to wait and see either way if the leaks are correct or not.
Quote from: Turner on April 28, 2013, 16:30
Poor Hiro looks like he is about to get hit by the proverbial Draco Meteor of TPCi.
Best line ever.
I am really interested in this behind the scenes stuff and hell I'd happily follow Hiro for more information about the starters.
How much was leaked during the Gen V art leak. Was it all Pokemon? Or just some?
I don't think there's much potential for really good pokemon/moves in fairy type... it seems a bit silly but absolutely adorable at the same time I really hope there's some sort of mythical storyline type thing about the fairy types and that it's all cuddly and fluffy and pink and magical.
Like you have to go and calm this angry nymph pokemon by battling it and then it has this ridiculously strong move that's called "Fairy dust" or something and it OHKO's everything!
But this probably made no sense at all because it's Sunday evening and I'm tired.
Quote from: Turner on April 28, 2013, 16:30
-Neither of the two were fired or received a C&D, but Melkor quit to spend more time on being a lawyer. Security was apparently tightened.
Sounds like he doesn't know the meaning of 'Non-Disclosure Agreement'. Even if neither was fired, they will have signed one, or be forced to sign one and follow one from now on.
All contracts I've signed in similar areas make it clear you can't leak this sort of information and I've signed infomration about these ahead of time. While it may not necessarily always be something you'll be fired for, you will be reprimanded and probably wouldn't be allowed to mention this either then. In fact, even saying you've signed an NDA can break that NDA (in this example, mentioning you've signed an NDA about the next Pokemon game would already reveal more than they'd want).
Doing that multiple times? Yeah, there will be trouble.
I actually got something wrong here: They DID receive a C&D but apparently the NDA wasn't broken from the leak. I don't know much about NDA's but going by what you've just said there, it sounds like it's certainly broken now. Here's a couple of quotes that clarify the issue:
QuoteFirst and foremost, I have to clarify something people are saying about the life of Hiro and my own: that we get an insider scoop into upcoming Pokémon games because we work at the Spanish Official Nintendo Magazine.
The Spanish Official Nintendo Magazine does not have anything to do with all this because basically they don't have a clue. Nintendo and TPCi follow very strict policies as to which contents are to be disclosed from insiders to trusted media and to the public. The magazine staff simply could not reveal anything to us because they know nothing, as TPCi is not revealing any information to trusted media more than a couple of days in advance, and subject to strict embargoes and conditions.
For the record, Hiro is currently collaborating with the magazine on a regular basis, and I am still in contact with the magazine for specific articles, interviews, etc. I was never fired or reprimanded by ONM's staff for any of my activities on my website, nor did I breach my NDA with them. I simply quit because I just have not enough time with my "real" work as a lawyer.
QuoteWe got a C&D letter from Nintendo's lawyer Cooley requesting us to remove the alpha sprites from BW and the fanarts of Hiro. I removed the former, but not the latter, based on exceptions under copyright law. I thought that revealing those sprites after the games were released in practice (but some days before official release date) would be safe enough. TPCi did not agree with me on that.
I think really when you have a team of lawyers and a multinational company on your side, striking down someone on the internet is not too difficult, especially when they have leaked stuff before. I'm not sure I buy what Melkor said about not being fired from ONM or breaching NDA, but it sounds like someone's head is going to be on the chopping block.
It's interesting though - while he won't talk about it, the source itself must be from somewhere else if not ONM, which could be why they aren't facing the full brunt of TPCi right now - they will probably be looking to find out where the real source of the leak is.
Hiro just did an interview with a game website, there wasn't anything in the interview that was particularly revealing apart from: 1) He doesn't actually like the idea of a new type and 2) He apparently leaked Sylveon's silhouette in
November before Gen 6 was even announced (!!!) but took it down because nobody believed him and everybody was expecting a R/S remake instead. He also apparently revealed the names of Black/White 2 when everyone was expecting a 'Pokemon Gray'.
Sappy: The entire B/W Pokedex was leaked with alpha sprites and some of Hiro's artwork. Apparently Hiro did the fanart first but nobody believed him because they couldn't compare his art with the real thing (Because nobody had seen the real thing) so the entire Gen V dex was leaked. I've seen some screenshots of the leak myself from before they were pulled.
I'm surprised something wasn't seriously done about that in the first place. A simple slap on the wrist and a C&D? If they really did get off that lightly then Hiro should NOT be taking them for another ride. Melkor has had nothing to do with the Gen 6 leaks so far and is no doubt running for the hills.
There was also a small part in Melkor's post that was addressed to TPCi's lawyer saying that Melkor knew he would be reading. It's not important as such (It's about Spain not being allowed a VGC this year because of the poo-throwing incident) but it goes to show that Melkor is expecting TPCi to read it.
Either way, nothing I've read has really made the 'Fairy Type' issue any clearer. I've always been a believer because I think it makes sense, this Hiro and Melkor stuff has grounded the theory a little bit more with the leaks and now with the leaning towards 'Yes it probably is correct' and stuff, but generally the whole thing of who did what why and when doesn't interest me that much. It's fun while we have slow news but I'd rather have something like a trailer or even an official tweet to speculate with. Melkor has all kinds of legal uncertanties revolving around him and Hiro seems intent on making this like some kind of reality TV show all about him, I have nothing against the guy - but I fail to see what good this is doing, it's just goading TPCi to take a swing at him.
I got a question: Are they (Hiro and Melkor) supposed to be some pseudonym for somebody who leaked all of the stuff about what Pokemon's doing?
So many leaks these days to the internet. Maybe eventually if he leaked enough confidential stuff from Pokemon it will go international and Pokemon will have to do even more revisions to the game. Kinda bit like how the film script gets re-edited by studios once the finished script gets leaked to the internet for the eyes of international readers (or internet users).
Quote from: Joe_Pokemon2010- DE~NIS! DE~NIS! on April 29, 2013, 11:05
I got a question: Are they (Hiro and Melkor) supposed to be some pseudonym for somebody who leaked all of the stuff about what Pokemon's doing?
So many leaks these days to the internet. Maybe eventually if he leaked enough confidential stuff from Pokemon it will go international and Pokemon will have to do even more revisions to the game. Kinda bit like how the film script gets re-edited by studios once the finished script gets leaked to the internet for the eyes of international readers (or internet users).
They are pseudonyms but Hiro has posted pictures supposedly of himself on his blog so I'm pretty sure they are two legitimate people. I guess there is the chance of Melkor and Hiro being the same person but who knows.
At the moment, the leak hasn't really gotten too far and most people don't know the background of these guys so they'll just go 'Another leak? Fairy-type? Pshhh yeah right' and discredit it along with digital type and 'Mr. X/Y' type leaks. People who are a little bit closer to what's going on know that this is at least something that could well end up being real.
I'm glad Hiro said he doesn't like the idea of a new type though, as much as I'm happy that Fairy-type is looking more like a possibility, I wouldn't like the idea of someone leaking it just to suit their agenda/wishlist I'd rather it be true because of my own observations were correct rather than because some Spanish guy leaked it. I guess all will be revealed in the interviews with Masuda when the type is finally announced.