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Pokémon Games => X and Y/OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire => Topic started by: Turner on June 12, 2013, 18:46
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Holy baconbites I'm really having my work cut out for me this week. It looks like the first corocoro leaks have...leaked revealing new Pokemon and new characters. Bare with me while I post it all here. Jesus, there's really no shortage of info is there?
I haven't really bothered looking at these in detail, I'm just going to post them first and then edit with info.
This is Furabebe the Single Flower Pokemon (Note this also translates as 'one moon' or 'one cycle'). It is Fairy type, uses the Fairy Wind attack and is 0.1m tall and 0.1kg. It works in Symbiosis with its flower. It naturally holds a flower and as soon as it is born it automatically discovers it's favorite flower to hold on to which it keeps its whole life, which is why it's a different colour to the flower. It has the power to hide itself in and manipulate the flower at will.
(http://i.imgur.com/z2axtgj.jpg)
This is Shishiko, the young lion Pokemon (Text reads じし but makes more sense to be しし (lion) so I'm not sure if it's a pun or something). It is Fire/Normal and is 0.6m and 13.5kg. It has a new move called Warcry which lower's the opponent's attack. It's a very energetic Pokemon that likes to get into scuffles, it's red mane flares up in battles and gets extra-hot when facing a tough opponent. As they grow older they separate from their pack and live alone.
(http://i.imgur.com/W6pvSJy.jpg)
This is Pansy (On the left) and Viola on the right. I *think* Pansy is the professor. Viola is a Gym-leader (and Journalist) from the first gym found in Hakudan City, she uses Bug-type. Pansy is going to make her anime appearance along with Gogoat & Helioptile on July 18th (Which further leads me to believe she's the new professor).
(http://i.imgur.com/UFcTjL8.jpg)
The three characters shown here, are Sana (The young girl with pigtails) Tieruno (Fat guy with the Vanillish T-shirt) and Toroba (Small ginger haired kid). You start off in Asame Town and the Rhyhorn shown in the garden on the 2nd trailer is indeed real (and can be ridden as we learned from the roundtable). You (The protagonist) just moved in and all four of you start your adventure at the same time. The opposite gender player (Callum/Serena) is also in your hometown too.
(http://i.imgur.com/Hzs3Hj1.jpg)
Vivillon, Kofukimushi & Kofuurai - The regional bug line of Kalos. Kofukimushi & Kofuurai are pure Bug-type and Vivillon is Bug/Flying. Kofukimushi is 0.3m and weighs 2.5kg, Kofuurai is 0.3m and weighs 8.4kg
(http://i.imgur.com/cgxSzB7.jpg)
That's everything, there's some stuff that I can't make out because it's a little blurry but we might get a few trickles of new info when clearer scans emerge (Or if we get more scans). All in all I seem to have a more concise translation than some other places I've read from, which I'm quite happy about.
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The Vivillon line are absolutely adorable!
There flower thing is a bit funky but the puppy, despite the fact that I just wanna hug it it reminds me of too many other Pokemon (like a baby Houndoom/dour, Lillipup and it's face is reminiscent of the Panda Pokemon)
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Man...I haven't even managed to form an opinion yet, this is all happening so fast.
Vivillon's line is pretty much what you would expect, Spewpa (Which I'm guessing is the 2nd stage) seems like it's designed with pixels in mind which further leads me to believe the secret of Vivillon's wings is something to do with QR codes. I'm not really attached to Spewpa or the other one but I think I'm happy with that because they're going to be useless anyway.
Furabebe (The flower) looks pretty awesome IMO, I think it's possibly the tiniest Pokemon to date. It's completely Fairy type which further backs up my theory that we're going to see a lot more grass/woodland inspired Fairies. I had a feeling the first few would be cutesy Pokemon to draw people in but I'm sure that will change as we see more new Pokemon.
Shishiko the lion cub looks pretty cute but otherwise forgettable, as you say - very Houndour/Lillipup looking Pokemon. I assume it's full evolution will be an awesome Fiery Lion type that will have a strong fanbase. I guess a big-cat version of Arcanine.
The other info sounds good to me, 3 more people starting along with you plus your male/female counterpart. Looks to be pretty interesting, the character designs look decent enough so far.
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Holy baconbites I'm really having my work cut out for me this week.
And we appreciate the effort.
Furabebe... Not quite sure about this one yet. I like the idea of each one holding a different plant, but I really haven't got a clue what to make of the actual pokemon. I think I'll wait for it's evolution(s).
Shishiko is alright, but the real appeal is the possible awesome nature of it's final evo. My guess is that it'll be the Shinx of Kalos - pitiful to begin with, then useful, then downright awesome in-game, then thoroughly outclassed in the meta-game.
The whole Vivillion line is forgetable, which, just as you say Turner, is just as well. QR code scanning capabilities seems likely - perhaps we'll be able to make it's wings display logos?
As for the people, if they're all rival type trainers then that would be cool. Otherwise I'm not that fussed.
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kimba the lion confirmed for pokemon
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(http://i.imgur.com/UFcTjL8.jpg)
Kinda remind me of...
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/3/33/401Kricketot.png/100px-401Kricketot.png) (http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/e/e5/402Kricketune.png/200px-402Kricketune.png)
and dat widdle wion aaaaaaaaaaaaw
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The lion Pokemon looks sorta like Shinx to me, I could see their lines being similar.
So far, I don't really have much of an opinion on most of the new Pokemon, to be honest. Everything looks really exciting, so I'm sorta just going with it. Looking forward to seeing more.
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If that Pokemon resembling Kimba was confirmed, will we get to see another Pokemon based on one of Tezuka's works?
And wait.. a new Gym Leader? A female Gym leader that does Bug-type? Will her name be something related to that in English I suppose?
Finally, Pansy. That's odd, because the Professors in Pokemon are named after trees. So this must probably break convention of the naming theme among such professors.
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^ Yeah, it is odd. I mean, she's not wearing a lab jacket or anything...but then this is supposed to be based on France where style is everything, so there's every chance they would make her look very trendy.
Thankfully she has an anime appearance coming up very soon so it should clarify things.
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Someone on tumblr pointed out that shishiko's tail looks like it has a scorpion tip, which could mean it's based on a Manticore.
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Word on the webs is that Pansy is a journalist/reporter type character, which might make sense if she has anything to do with Viola (which the similar hairstyles might suggest they do) who looks like she may be a photographer?
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^ Yes, right you are. Viola is a photographer and Pansy is Journalist I believe. Viola is also the first gym leader and uses bug type.
Also very interesting about the Manticore. I'm almost 100% certain that shishiko's tail will evolve into a lion so yes, that could well be possible. Maybe it'll be Fire/Fairy.
Updated Info from the official site
The names of the new Pokemon are localized as such:
Shishiko (the fire Lion) is called Litleo
The hot-blooded Litleo is always ready for a good fight! Its mane blazes with heat during battle, burning hotter and hotter the stronger its opponent. In the wild, Litleo will venture out on its own to make its way in the world. Litleo can learn the new Noble Roar move, an intimidating move that will lower the target's Attack and Sp. Atk stats.
So 'Warcry' is officially called 'Noble Roar' in English.
Furabebe (The Fairy flower) is called Flabébé in English
Another newly discovered Fairy-type Pokémon, Flabébé clings to a flower early on, and then cares for it for its entire life. Because of this, Flabébé may be found holding flowers of different colors. Flabébé can draw forth the power that lies within flowers and use it freely in moves. Fairy Wind is a new Fairy-type attack that Flabébé can learn. It's super effective against Dragon-type Pokémon!
Kofukimushi (The first stage of Vivillon) is called Scatterbug in English
The Bug-type Scatterbug resides mostly in forests and wild plains. After Scatterbug has reached a high enough level, it will evolve into Spewpa. This Bug type uses the fur around its neck to control its body temperature. Scatterbug can survive in any area, regardless of climate. Scatterbug can learn the strategic String Shot move, which lowers the Speed of its target.
Kofuurai (The second stage of Vivillon) is called Spewpa in English.
Spewpa is the middle Pokémon of this evolutionary chain. With enough experience gained from battle, Spewpa will eventually evolve into Vivillon. Spewpa gains a stiff carapace once it evolves from Scatterbug, so less forceful attacks will hardly make a scratch. Spewpa can learn the move Protect, which will protect the Pokémon from attacks for one turn.
And onto the characters..
Sana is called Shauna in English
Shauna is an energetic girl who is eager to discover her own dreams. But she's also genuinely curious about her friends' progress in their travels! Shauna is very outgoing and friendly, as you'll learn early on. Shauna will push you to decide on a nickname before the group parts ways.
Tieruno is Tierno in English
Tierno is burly and nimble, and his goal is to create a dance team with his Pokémon! He pays close attention to Pokémon when they battle to see he if he can incorporate their actions into new dance moves. Tierno is a kind boy who welcomes you easily into the group. He'll tell you all about his ideas for a dance move, and he'll show you a couple of moves of his own!
Toroba is Trevor in English
Trevor's goal is to be the first of the group to complete his Pokédex. He's a great student, bursting with curiosity, but he admits that he has much to learn to become a great Trainer. Trevor will begin his adventures at the same time as you.
And your opposite gender counterpart is Serena or Calem
(http://Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor. Your neighbor will be curious to see which Pokémon you first choose.)
And the rest:
The first town (Asame Town) is called Vaniville Town in English
Vaniville Town is your new home at the beginning of your adventure! The start of your journey waits just past the ornate town gates. Before leaving, your neighbor will be eager to meet you. Plus, you'll meet the family Rhyhorn, who's resting on its pad in your front yard! Your house is one of several buildings in Vaniville Town. Follow the paths in Vaniville Town to your neighbor's house, or out into the Kalos region. The gates of Vaniville Town are marked by a large central arch. Pass through to begin your journey!
The second town (Hakudan City) is Santalune City
After leaving Vaniville Town, the first populated location you'll visit is Santalune City. It's a lovely city, easily identifiable by the large fountain at the center of town. It's also home to the Santalune City Gym! The Santalune City fountain is the beautiful city's centerpiece. Look out for people quickly dashing about on Roller Skates! You'll soon be able to get your own pair of Roller Skates so you can glide about town, too!
Pansy is called Alexa in English. She is Viola's older sister.
Keep an eye out for Alexa, who will guide you toward the Gym, where her younger sister, Viola, is the Gym Leader. Alexa is a journalist who works in Lumiose City and travels all around the world for her job.
Viola is well...Viola in English
Viola is the Gym Leader of Santalune City, but battling isn't her only talent. She's also a professional Pokémon photographer. The experienced Viola will be happy to teach you what she knows about battling and photography!
EDIT:
Also some sharp eyed people have noticed that the shadows and shade are different in different language screenshots of the game, implying that there may well be real-time sky effects and sun position:
(http://i.imgur.com/KVIYzb1.gif)
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Omg, July CoroCoro leaks now! I LOVE the squid pokemon, why they're dark/psychic and not water IDK, but they look awesome.
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/192/0/4/karamanero_by_krocf4-d6cyq8v.png)
It's like an angry drag queen.
New evil team looks lame though.
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Pancham's evolution looks pretty badass, definitely can't wait to get one of those.
The squid's okay. More excited about the typing than the actual Pokemon, to be honest.
Bird is kinda cute, puffball is okay.
My type predictions for X/Y Legends were wrooong, but I am okay with Dark/Flyling and Fairy! Very interested to see Fairy's offensive and defensive type charts.
Was really hoping to see some starter evolutions, though I doubt we're gonna get those for a while, possibly not until release. Starting to lean towards Fennekin, this artwork of it is adorable (http://pokebeach.com/news/0713/corocoro-6.jpg).
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It looks like Chespin uses malteasers to attack.
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Pancham's evolution just looks like a black and white ursaring to me :S
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oh my god
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/00/Peroppafu.png/230px-Peroppafu.png)
THIS THING I LOVE IT
something tells me it's going to be this gens Vanilluxe ie everyone hates it except me
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oh my god
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/00/Peroppafu.png/230px-Peroppafu.png)
THIS THING I LOVE IT
something tells me it's going to be this gens Vanilluxe ie everyone hates it except me
nONO I LOVE THIS ONE
UNLESS IT'S BASED ON COTTON CANDY tHEN I HATE IT BECAUSE THE ORIGINALITY IS GONE
already 100x better than vanilliaux or whatever tho
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UNLESS IT'S BASED ON COTTON CANDY tHEN I HATE IT BECAUSE THE ORIGINALITY IS GONE
lmao that's exactly what it is
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Looking at the cotton candy, I'm hoping that it can perform a special combo move with Vanillite in battle, giving Vanillite some cotton-candy flavor which would raise its stats? It doesn't seem too Farfetch'd.
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The cotton candy isn't so bad, I mean if it was literally on a stick I'd probably feel a lot worse about it.
All the info is pretty terrific, apparently next month's Corocoro is the biggest scoop on X/Y yet. I really have no idea what else they could show us.
The new team isn't so bad, they LOOK good but I hope there is some kind of deeper goal, maybe a dig at capitalism and the morals of money? Just some extra depth would be nice but who knows 'til we play it.
I'm kind of bummed Skrelp is exclusive to Y, I was going to get X unless Xerneas shows up in Y (Much like White = Zekrom) I'm indifferent towards clauncher.
I wish some of the story info would come out, I wonder if Xernas and Yveltal are going to represent Nature vs something. I still think Fairy is going to be more nature-oriented in the future but I'd be interested to know what direction they're taking the whole thing.
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lmao that's exactly what it is
dang i was hoping it'd be a floating puppy head or something
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Is that tall dark stranger in the lab coat the new professor?
Either way new primary Pokémon character crush right there.. <3
Makes up for the fact that I'm still not overly taken by any of the new Pokémon except the legendaries themselves - they're all OKAY, no real complaints and the baby flamingo is pretty cute, just not that excited to own any of them yet ^^; though the more I look at the little cotton candy's face.. :3
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Team Flair huh? Who's gonna shout "WOOOO" every time they show up? :laugh:
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When I look through my favorite Pokemon most of mine are never announced in Corocoro anyway, maybe I like 'hipster' Pokemon or something but aside from Meowth being a really obvious example I normally favor the odd ones like Unown or Porygon, I was a big fan of Rotom.
I forgot to mention: The Dark/Psychic squid looks like it's going to be a super annoying Pokemon, I have this feeling I'm going to have trouble with it...in the E4 or something.
As for the other fairy Pokemon (The bird), I'm not too bothered. It seems strange, I wonder what it will evolve into.
Speaking of which I wonder when we'll see some previous-gen evos. I hope that's covered in the 'big scoop' next time.
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The pandamon evolution reminds me of beartic
the new pokemon look alright, the enemy team look a bit naff and that squid looks satanic. Its prevo is nice though!
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Team Flair huh? Who's gonna shout "WOOOO" every time they show up? :laugh:
They're the stylin', profilin', limousine riding, jet flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin' n' dealin' sons of guns. I strongly support this team. And I hope they're the Elite Four this time around, they could be the Four Horseman.
...too much? Okay.
Squid's only weak to Bug, albeit quad weak, until we find out what Fairy's type charts are.
I'm really excited for Pancham's evolution, Dark/Fighting is great and cool typing. Never was a fan of Scrafty, so here's hoping this new Pokemon's good.
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This might be just wishful thinking, but could the evil team being focused on money allow for the return of the game corner/casino? As in, the evil team runs it throughout the story, and so the odds are heavily against you until they are defeated/ see the error of their ways? Worth thinking about perhaps.
I'm loving the typing for the squids, I just wish the colour scheme was different. Oh well, perhaps they'll make it easier to get shinies this gen... I really want to use them. Goronda is epic, that'll be staying on my team until I find something better. I reserve the nicknames Darbus and Fyrus (not sure how many of you will get why...)! Oh and thank you Richard and Blaziken, it's good to see I'm not the only one who dislikes Scrafty.
As for the two Fairy-types...Really? I mean, seriously? A ball of candy floss and a pink bird which only has a head and feet? Black mark right there Game Freak.
I'm also a little disappointed with the legends' typings, but more in regards to Yveltal than Xerneas. Why couldn't it have been dragon/dark?
I wonder what this 'scoop of the century' is going to be? I'm going with 30 new Pokemon and a slightly-more-than-basic plot detailing. Plus a summary of the Pokemon found in the first 3 areas.
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I'm a little worried about what Xerneas may mean... Without seeing his stats, I can't say much for sure, but STAB supereffective against Dragon, w/ his ability, with the endless streams of Dragon type legendaries.
This is going to be interesting...
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aw cmon don't tell me you didn't find Natu cute??
i think Shushup looks great! i mean, who doesn't want a plague doctor pokemon? i hope its evolved form looks spooky; it'd be neat to see a creepy-looking fairy type
'Cute'? Let me see... Searching integrated personal dictionary for 'cute'. Not found. Did you mean 'cut'?
Anyway, back to a more serious note... Natu is alright- there's a certain mystic quality to it's design whereas Spritzee (localisation names have been released by the way) looks like it would taste good if deep fried and served with garlic bread. I agree that if it were to evolve into some sort of flamingo with a plague doctor's mask it would be interesting, but somehow I don't think that will happen.
So far the only fairy type announced which I like is Xerneas, but that appeal is somewhat drowned by the danger it poses to my dragons. Pity them.
Edit: Was just looking through the screenshots on the official site, and one of the Team Flare screenshotss displays them talking about reviving fossils... You know what that means, right? FOSSILS ARE BACK!! ^.^
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I'm also a little disappointed with the legends' typings, but more in regards to Yveltal than Xerneas. Why couldn't it have been dragon/dark?
Because we've had two generations in a row centered around overpowered dragon legendaries? It's a giant bird, idk why anyone expected it to be dragon.
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I was pretty "meh" about Pangoro because it just looked like a typical bear but the artwork makes it look like it has a cape and now I really really want one. <3 YAY PANDAS
Inkay is adorable but Malamar is definitely not. Not sure whether I'd use it.
Swirlix and Spritzee are just <333
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Wow so we have some real names now
Pancham evo = Pangoro
Squids = Inkay and Malamar
Cotton candy = Swirlix
Bird = Spritzee
There were a bunch of rumours from a fansite which I sent to Rex months ago and it's really interesting that it got Inkay's name correct (Along with Fairy type's announcement and many others), according to those rumours (Of which some of you I'm sure will already know) Inkay evolves by turning the 3DS upside down, so I'm expecting that to be revealed at somepoint. Also Pangoro will allegedly evolve by having a dark type in your team (It predicted Pancham and Pangoro correctly too).
Nothing in the source has been wrong so far..
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This might be just wishful thinking, but could the evil team being focused on money allow for the return of the game corner/casino?
Didnt they scrap the Game Corner because of new game ratings meant that gambling ups the age rating? They removed it in the Euro Platinum, changed it in the non-Japanese HGSS and then ultimately had no gambling in Unova.
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Didnt they scrap the Game Corner because of new game ratings meant that gambling ups the age rating? They removed it in the Euro Platinum, changed it in the non-Japanese HGSS and then ultimately had no gambling in Unova.
Yeah, that's right I think. But somewhat suprisingly the Lottery is still in Goldenrod and I believe it's in B/W as well (can't remember, I never really did much in Gen V)
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Yeah, that's right I think. But somewhat suprisingly the Lottery is still in Goldenrod and I believe it's in B/W as well (can't remember, I never really did much in Gen V)
Yeah, but you never paid for the lottery, so really it's more a random free draw then gambling any money.
It was left out of BW but returned as a raffle store in BW2.
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Wow so we have some real names now
Pancham evo = Pangoro
Squids = Inkay and Malamar
Cotton candy = Swirlix
Bird = Spritzee
There were a bunch of rumours from a fansite which I sent to Rex months ago and it's really interesting that it got Inkay's name correct (Along with Fairy type's announcement and many others), according to those rumours (Of which some of you I'm sure will already know) Inkay evolves by turning the 3DS upside down, so I'm expecting that to be revealed at somepoint. Also Pangoro will allegedly evolve by having a dark type in your team (It predicted Pancham and Pangoro correctly too).
Nothing in the source has been wrong so far..
What else did the source say? Mind sending it to me via PM?
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We should be seeing two psychic cat pokemon eventually then.
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(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/192/0/4/karamanero_by_krocf4-d6cyq8v.png)
That Pokémon looks like a cross between an Empoleon and a squid.
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They're the stylin', profilin', limousine riding, jet flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin' n' dealin' sons of guns.
Is it wrong for me to be trying to say that like it's a rap or something? XD
Spritzee/Shushup is actually the Perfume pokemon, for those who debated about it above.
Also, there's been rumours going around about a pokemon called Oorotto:
(http://www.blocked.net/orotto3th.jpg)
It hasn't been revealed officially, but people who went to see the Genesect film saw it in a trailer, in a horde battle. Grass/Dark anyone?
Right, Malamar is quite interesting. Hypnosis and Turn Over are confirmed moves so far for it...(so it might evolve from turning the 3DS upside down, as it has been said).
Swirlix and Spritzee...meh.
Pangoro is quite cool, Fighting/Dark is great competitively. Resistance to SR and perfect neutral coverage? Aww yeah.
The typing of the legendaries...meh. I predicted Grass/Psychic and Fight/Flying for Xerneas and Yveltal respectively. But hey, Fairy type gets a legendary straight away. Just need a Poison type legendary now...
However, Xerneas gets a new move called Geomancy (bad name, Geo Control was far better imo) and Yveltal gets a new move called Oblivion Wing! Death Wing was the JPN name by the way. Oblivion Wing looks to be a two turn move, so Geomancy may be a two turner as well.
Now, features! Photo Spot is a feature to allow the taking of photos, which can be uploaded to the Global Link AND to social networking sites. Neat, but I won't be using it for the latter.
As for Rollerblades, it has been said that the trailer for XY shown in the Genesect film had the main character riding a bike, indicating that Rollerblades are not the Bike replacement! I think that's good news in my opinion.
I don't think some of you saw this, but you can choose the language for your game, so for shiny hatchers, that's good news if you have both X and Y.
O-Powers replace Pass Powers, the Holocaster is like the X-Transceiver in BW2, allowing you to talk with ingame characters and it gives you news from the PGL without using Wifi first. GTS returns, but with a nice feature called Wonder Trade, allowing for you to choose a pokemon and recieve one...without knowing anything about what you'll get. All of these are damn nice features, but this is neat: if you disconnect in a battle, it counts as a loss! So, that's something for those who partake in PGL competitions.
Lastly, Team Flair...see what I quoted :P (Sorry for the humungous post, but oh well you all love it!)
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We should be seeing two psychic cat pokemon eventually then.
Yep, and Fairy would be immune to Dragon and weak to Steel/Poison.
Have we seen any poison types yet? I don't think we have..I'm looking forward to seeing the Psychic cats and also whatever Poison types await.
Also it wasn't in the source but I hope there's a Fairy type pseudo-legendary.
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(http://www.blocked.net/orotto4th.jpg)
I came across this just.
Is it me or does it look quite cool? It might be the first Grass/Ghost type!
EDIT: Turner, do you know when you first showed us screenshots when X and Y were first revealed?
Well, I was looking through them when I saw the screenshots of a young girl standing in what looked like a gym...she looks a little like Yancy or Serena (the female playable character). What do you think?
If it's Yancy, then she was in BW2 and she was therefore a hint to X/Y that no-one else ever noticed-*shot*
Eh, just a little something I picked up on out of boredom...lastly, it was also confirmed that Pokemon Smash will have Akiyama (the host) doing some gameplay of XY, with the game borrowed from Junichi Masuda...new tidbits anyone?
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(http://www.blocked.net/orotto4th.jpg)
This Pokémon had just been confirmed three days ago. What English name will it be? Will it have "treant" as part of it?
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It'll be Unowoodo, the evolution of Sudowoodo
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I'm quite impressed that they've managed to keep so much info hidden this long.
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There's still a leaker out there that told us that the starters will evolve into Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Fighting lol, I'm not sure if it was news or a leaker
But it's funny that we have a Dark/Psychic type now. 4x weakness to bug heyooooooooooooo, but it's not weak to anything else lmao
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I like how this generation appears to be focusing on 'rarer' types, like Psychic, Dark & Ghost. Even the introduction of fairy is to balance the rarest type: Dragons.
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There's still a leaker out there that told us that the starters will evolve into Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Fighting lol, I'm not sure if it was news or a leaker
Yeah lol it was a leaker, the same one that got a whole bunch of other stuff correct including english names.
I think TPCi would disagree that things have been kept secret this time around
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This is what Inkay looks like:
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/6a/Inkay.png)
So far, I think we have a dry spell on the Pokémon being announced.
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Dragons are strong, but fairy balances them. Dragons, however are only strong against their own kind, but are now weak to three types. Dragons may be strong attackers, but are only super effective against themselves. I think the dragons should be strong against one more type in Kalos to balance out their rarity, and their 3 weakesses.
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I think fairy should only resist dragon, as an immunity would just destroy dragons, their main selling point is amazing neutral coverage (only resisted by steel, and probably fairy) and an immunity would wreck outragers.
I'd love to see Altaria gain fairy type, mainly because it suits it and I think we all want to see a fairy dragon ;D
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(http://www.blocked.net/oorotto.jpg)
And there's Oorotto for you all =P
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Dragons are strong, but fairy balances them. Dragons, however are only strong against their own kind, but are now weak to three types. Dragons may be strong attackers, but are only super effective against themselves. I think the dragons should be strong against one more type in Kalos to balance out their rarity, and their 3 weakesses.
Not gonna happen because they're still neutral against 15/17 types. You never want to eat a Draco Meteor from a dragon even if you're a steel type
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So normal type attacks are resisted by two and immune by one, and super effective against nothing, but it's totally the poor little dragons that need some help, facerolling everything that's not steel is just too harsh on them.
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Dragons are strong, but fairy balances them. Dragons, however are only strong against their own kind, but are now weak to three types. Dragons may be strong attackers, but are only super effective against themselves. I think the dragons should be strong against one more type in Kalos to balance out their rarity, and their 3 weakesses.
No. Dragons need a nerf more than anything else in the game, it's ridiculous. I think people are just upset that they won't be able to spam Draco Meteor/Outrage as much anymore, if Fairy is indeed resistant/immune to Dragon, which it well should be. They're also probably not going to retcon any past types to now be SE to Dragon, that makes no sense.
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I think my main problem with them being immune is that Marill will be immune to Salamence launching a meteor from space... Erm... I fail to see the logic...
Resists is fair enough, their magical powers ward of dragonesque abilities or whatever, but I think immune is a little too far.
Not to say it won't happen, just that I don't want an immunity. But I agree that a resist is needed, even if I don't particularly like the idea of a fairy beating up Rayquaza...
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Maybe fairy and dragon can be super effective against each other, there balancing them out, like ying and yang.
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The purpose of Fairy is to balance out how easily Dragon kills everything. Giving it a new SE would make things more broken than it was.
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The purpose of Fairy is to balance out how easily Dragon kills everything. Giving it a new SE would make things more broken than it was.
This. As much as I love dragon types, and I do think they should be *slightly* more powerful than other types, they shouldn't be broken. Although 1 SE looks abysmal, 2 SE & 1 resist suddenly isn't so terrible.
And dragon is quite good defensively as well.
My only worry with Xerneas in particular is GF making him too OP. Arceus was clearly an attempt at 'the best Pokémon', I think Kyurem-W was an attempt at this as well, could Xerneas be?
Think about it: 680 BST is probably what he'll have, Fairy Aura is likely either Pseudo-Adaptability or an extra STAB. Add the fact he gets SE on a lot of ubers (so far, anyway) with being SE to dragon, this may not end well... Exo-Uber tier, anyone?
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We don't know Fairy's weaknesses yet, it's too early to panic about them being broken. However, I seriously doubt we'll ever see a tier above Ubers. Ubers is a banlist for OU, not meant to be a real tier. It's played as one, but it's not supposed to be a balanced metagame.
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Yeah, but I doubt they'd hype about a new type being strong to dragon and then give it crippling weaknesses...
I hope it's weak to poison & steel, and preferably to rock.
I think there may be a two-way thing with Fairy SE on dark, and Dark SE on Fairy, mainly because of the legendary duo, and it makes sense.
Yeah, Exo-Uber tier was more Hyperbole than anything else ;D I know we won't see a tier above that... (Unless deoxys-A gets pure power...)
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If they're bringing in a new type with the strict reasoning of balance, I think they'll give it a good balance of strengths and weaknesses, so as not to over-centralize the metagame while still providing a nice sense of balance that we've needed. Like I said though, it's too early to panic about things we don't fully know yet.
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unova has made me sick to death with dragons.
I hope it is immunity but it will probably just be not very effective or neutral
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I think my main problem with them being immune is that Marill will be immune to Salamence launching a meteor from space... Erm... I fail to see the logic...
You get these problems with all sorts of Pokemon though. Why should a Marowak's Bonemerang not hurt a little Pidgey? Why should normal type Pokemon be incapable of being licked and astonished? The list goes on...
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Bonemarang shouldn't really be ground type tbh, it's a thrown weapon, nothing to do with the ground, it's not a flaw with type matchup, just a flaw with move classification.
Astonish doesn't work on normal types because they aren't aware of the ghosts presence, and it's hard to astonish someone who doesn't know you're there ;D
Lick is odd though, I would've put that in Poison or Normal myself, because I don't see how it's ghost...
The main problem with Dragon being ineffective against something is the power of the moves. How can anything be immune to:
-> Roar of time
-> Spacial Rend
-> Draco Meteor
-> Twister
Even Outrage to an extent?
I'm not saying it couldn't happen, it just seems more like a resistance would make more sense.
On a side note; I would laugh so much if GF pulled the ultimate troll move and said fairy doesn't effect flying...
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I think my main problem with them being immune is that Marill will be immune to Salamence launching a meteor from space... Erm... I fail to see the logic...
gastly can learn ice punch soooooo your argument is invalid
also "hot skitty on wailord action" but you're 15 so i think you're too young to know the context behind that (considering you were like 5-6 when RS came out)
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gastly can learn ice punch soooooo your argument is invalid
also "hot skitty on wailord action" but you're 15 so i think you're too young to know the context behind that (considering you were like 5-6 when RS came out)
Actually, Ruby was my first game. And I got it near release. But yeah, breeding really doesn't make sense...
As for gastly learning ice punch; that's plain stupid...
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No. Dragons need a nerf more than anything else in the game, it's ridiculous. I think people are just upset that they won't be able to spam Draco Meteor/Outrage as much anymore, if Fairy is indeed resistant/immune to Dragon, which it well should be. They're also probably not going to retcon any past types to now be SE to Dragon, that makes no sense.
This is perhaps one of the few things I think we may disagree on here mate.
I'll admit I'm probably bias as Dragons are one of my favourite Pokémon types, but..
Isn't the entire point of the Dragon type is that they are overpowered? They're meant to be the mythical, overstrengthed creatures that our own mythologies portray them as, supposedly powerful and wise whilst being relatively hard to beat or match. Even in other media, the strongest bosses in a lot of fantasy games are in fact Dragons. That's presumeably why the majority of Dragon types (I'm pretending you don't exist Altaria) are very powerful by their base stats, as well as the Dragon type being Super Effective against itself.
I don't think it's so much about being unable to spam Draco Meteor and Outrage, it's more about a slight loss in identity (in a sense..) for the Dragon type, especially if the Fairy type is immune to their attacks. I don't think they'll retcon any past types either, only those that involve the Fairy type as expected, but it'd be disappointed if they did just to nerf a type that's meant to be overpowered anyway.
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^I agree with this, why shouldn't Dragons be a little OP? They take ages to evolve, and their base stats are high; because GF intended them to be the elite type. This is also why Dragons are normally the 8th gym, or in the elite four. (Or in Johto games, the Champion as well as 8th Gym).
Even Altaria, which (as much as I love it) is probably the weakest dragon, is still pretty strong (490 BST for the weakest of a type).
They do need a small nerf, mainly because outrage spam is a little boring, but they should still be the best type, if only by a little bit.
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I'm not sure how many of you have seen the Japanese eShop trailer...but here it is:
Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJJ1pC1jiU)
Looks like Fennekin has a punching move... 'Glow Punch'.
Also regarding Fairy type and Dragons, in mythology Fairies have owned Dragons as pets, Dragons are the creatures and Fairies are the owners. Obviously seems a little weird when you have Pokemon like Marril as Fairy-type but it's still true regardless.
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Isn't the entire point of the Dragon type is that they are overpowered? They're meant to be the mythical, overstrengthed creatures that our own mythologies portray them as, supposedly powerful and wise whilst being relatively hard to beat or match. Even in other media, the strongest bosses in a lot of fantasy games are in fact Dragons. That's presumeably why the majority of Dragon types (I'm pretending you don't exist Altaria) are very powerful by their base stats, as well as the Dragon type being Super Effective against itself.
I hardly think adding some Pokemon of a new type will cause an extreme nerf to dragons. It just makes them a little bit more fallible than they use to be.
Looks like Fennekin has a punching move... 'Glow Punch'.
I'm confident it's a psychic type punching move
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Also regarding Fairy type and Dragons, in mythology Fairies have owned Dragons as pets, Dragons are the creatures and Fairies are the owners. Obviously seems a little weird when you have Pokemon like Marril as Fairy-type but it's still true regardless.
This may be true, but it's also true that in most mythology, Dragons are impervious to magic (which seems to be what Fairy type is akin to).
But anyway, I kind of wish it was called 'Faery' type, mainly because Fairy sounds more like pixies and stuff, whereas Faery is more associated with folklore. More of a personal preference, really.
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The thing is, they're introducing Fairy type to balance the types, as they themselves have stated. From an objective standpoint, sure, maybe Dragons should be OP, but from a competitive standpoint, I think the fact that 4Drag2Mag is a thing that exists, speaks for itself.
As Muhed stated, this probably won't be an extreme nerf to Dragons anyway. They still hit 15/18 types neutrally, 1 SE, and only 1/2 resists and 1/0 immune, depending on how Fairy is effected by Dragon. Dragons, no matter how cool they may be, should not rule the metagame with an iron fist, if we want a more healthy competitive atmosphere.
About Dragon being the "best type", that's somewhat debatable. Sure, they have all the coverage as I just mentioned, but the best type, at least in terms of competitive battling, depends on the metagame. I'd argue that Fighting is the "best type" of 5th gen, though the Therian genies helped fix this a bit.
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Maybe best type wasnt the right wording... I meant as in they should be viewed as the best type, not nessasarily from a competitive viewpoint, but from the primary market (3-10 yo is probably fair to say that's the primary market)
In other words, ingame they should be overpowered (about to the point they are now, I obviously don't mean more OP :laugh:) but they need a little balance competitively, that's why I think it should be a resistance rather than immunity anyway, it's a fair balance.
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The great thing about the fairy balance isn't just that Dragon needed a nerf, it's that when playing through the game, Dragon always felt like a shoehorned type.
You barely see it through the game at all (not even wild) until you're up against the last few gyms/E4. Meaning you have to find and raise a dragon type from wild to get them up to the level of all your other Pokemon. It never felt quite smooth and it always bugged me that you only got a choice of a small handful of Dragon types, if you didn't like them then you were screwed and had to hope there was an Ice type you liked somewhere or else it was going to be uphill all the way.
It'd be nice to see a champion that uses ghost types or psychic or something. The games have always treated dragons like some all-powerful pseudo-legendary beasts you only see right near the end, I'm glad they're getting a balance.
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Wow Turner, you're right, I just realized that, and I hate it, some earlier appearing dragons may balance it out as well.
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The great thing about the fairy balance isn't just that Dragon needed a nerf, it's that when playing through the game, Dragon always felt like a shoehorned type.
You barely see it through the game at all (not even wild) until you're up against the last few gyms/E4. Meaning you have to find and raise a dragon type from wild to get them up to the level of all your other Pokemon. It never felt quite smooth and it always bugged me that you only got a choice of a small handful of Dragon types, if you didn't like them then you were screwed and had to hope there was an Ice type you liked somewhere or else it was going to be uphill all the way.
It'd be nice to see a champion that uses ghost types or psychic or something. The games have always treated dragons like some all-powerful pseudo-legendary beasts you only see right near the end, I'm glad they're getting a balance.
You beat me to the post there Turner (yeah, I know that was bad, but it was there, ok?).
Dragon is my favourite type, but I do firmly agree that it needs a nerf. Whilst I don't like the idea of things like Wigglytuff being dragon slayers it should allow a large number of people to enter the meta-game with these kinds of Pokemon without fear of giving both a free turn for dragon users to boost and then sweep. In my opinion, it's the higher level of caution which will have to be used when attempting to set a dragon up for a sweep ,as well as the narrowing of opportunities to achieve a set up, which will give dragons a larger nerf than the actual type resistance.
And that's how it should be. In Pokemon, it should take considerable effort and practice in order to use the stronger Pokemon to their best effect - and dragons should remain as some of the strongest - but at present all it takes is a life orb or similar, dragon dance and outrage (as one example), to tear the other side to pieces if the other side is not appropriately prepared.
Fairy having an immunity to Dragon just does not seem right. Resistance fair enough. It makes sense to be resistant. But being able to throw out a pink balloon with a tuft of hair in the path of a rampaging dragon and the dragon failing to do any damage... I'm sorry, but no.
Onto the point of dragon being 'shoehorned'... I agree nearly entirely. I don't like the fact that we've nearly always been given 1 or 2 at the end of the game (excluding legends) at really low levels and then find out that in order to make them viable you have to train them above the levels of the rest of your party in order to get them to evolve fully. It never has felt smooth. Neither do I particularly like that unless you had specific types, it was a real struggle to beat any dragon users in the elite four or the last gym.
However, I do think that dragons should be a little more difficult to obtain than most other types. I liked what they did with Axew - you could obtain it at a level not too far behind the rest of your party provided you had talked to the right person in game and knew that there was a cave for you to explore if you back-tracked. That way, Axew was obtainable at an appropriate time yet could be considered a reward to those players who where prepared to fully explore the game.
I would like to see some earlier dragons though - that's why I'm hoping that Helioptile will evolve to be an electric/dragon type.
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I never felt they were shoehorned in, but that's just me (Gible was available pretty early btw)
(3-10 yo is probably fair to say that's the primary market)
They have no primary market. They market it to all ages who still like Pokemon.
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A new piece of info for you all, according to the eShop, the size of Pokemon X/Y will be 1.7GB (If you download).
Let me put that into perspective for you:
Bigger than Monster Hunter 3
Bigger than OoT
Bigger than Mario 3D World
Bigger than Animal Crossing New Leaf
It's gonna be a pretty huge game, the models and textures shouldn't take up that much space either. Looking at screenshots and matching them to the map has shown me that this game is going to be pretty dang huge. AC:NL was 1GB, so this is nearly twice the size.
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That's about the third of the size of Super Smash Brothers Brawl....