I'm sure most of you have already heard that Fennekin is confirmed to know a punching based move named Glow Punch. For those who haven't seen, here's a link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxCsbsITF2k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxCsbsITF2k)
Skip to ~0:23 for the move
The sound effect sounds supereffective, and the is being used on a Fire/Normal type. This means (assuming the sound is supereffective, which is likely considering its the same sound as moonblast on Haxorus) that Glow punch is one of:
-> Water
-> Rock
-> Fighting
-> Ground
Or possibly Fairy, but I doubt Fairy will be SE against Fire or Normal.
Logically, the only or that makes sense is Fighting. This then means Fennekin is either Fire/Fighting at final evo, or it could just be a coverage move.
An interesting sidenote, this means fennekins final evo is Bipedal, otherwise how is punching explained? (Gastly->Gengar for his punches, before someone says that ;D)
I should probably note, I didn't come up with this, I've read it and thought it seemed worthy of bringing up. So, thoughts?
(I'm sorry if this has been brought up, I don't think it has though)
The link doesn't work for me.
Anyway, are you sure it's super effective? I don't know what the sounds are like but did it say that it was?
No, it doesn't say anything, so it could be wrong, but it is the same sound as the Moonblast was on Haxorus, so it looks likely.
Does the link work now, I've tried to fix it?
Yep, the link works now and that's interesting. I can't see Fennekin being a fighting type, so my bet is that it's a fire type move or a fighting yupe coverage move.
Many Pokemon don't learn moves of their types. I mean, look at me. I can learn Grass Knot and Scald. Fennekin's final evolution will certainly be bipedal, but Glow Punch doesn't necessarily have to be the same type as the Pokemon.
Of course, Fennekin has no hands, just paws. HOW DOES IT LEARN THAT MOVE.
In a different trailer of course, Fennekin used Psychic, and considering the huge fan uproar of hate for another Fire/Fighting, there is little chance that they have made another.
Yeah, the only thing that does worry me slightly is; Tepig, he didn't look anything like a fighting type, did he? And Emboar does, obviously. No-one wanted another fire/fighting type, regardless of whether they now like Emboar.
Personally, I think it's a coverage move as well, I just wanted to see what others make of it.
I can see Fairy being strong against Normal though because when you think about it, Fairies etc are extremely NOT Normal.... It works!
But normal can't really have 2 weaknesses and no resistances (well, one 2-way immunity), so it wouldn't really balance the game which seems to be fairies main goal.
Being SE on Blissey and Dragons isn't balance...
It didn't sound super effective to me.
You know what I think though? I think it will be dual typed.
I love the idea of dual types, but it gets rather complex... You could potentially have 8x weaknesses and stuff... (E.g. Grass and Water type on Golem)
I hope you're right though, maybe they haven't released the concept yet to have a bigger surprise nearer launch!
I think Fennekin just used Glow Punch to troll us.
And 8x weaknesses? Impossible. It only goes up to 4x normally, but 8x would have to be a critical hit.
Quote from: The Shiny Emboar on August 04, 2013, 16:26
And 8x weaknesses? Impossible. It only goes up to 4x normally, but 8x would have to be a critical hit.
I said if dual-type moves were made, 8x weaknesses would be possible, I know they aren't now. Although having reconsidered, they would be 16x weaknesses, not 8x
Golem is x4 weak t water and grass, so if there was a water and grass type move (dual type moves, as Turner suggested) 4x4 is 16, so it would be a 16x weakness.
Not that this is impossible, I was just saying it would make the game.... Interesting.
But I like the idea of dual type moves, so I hope Turners prediction is right.
Dual type moves wouldn't make the game interesting, it would make it insanely annoying and hard.
I am willing to bet anything that Nintendo purposefully did this as a troll move. Just because the fan base is so terrified of Fennekin turning into a fire/fighting. It's not actually going to be another fire/fighting, guys...
I think Dual Type moves will be calculated in a way which deals less damage than potentially 8x but there is a 'scoop of the century' to be revealed in Corocoro and an entire portion of the official website (normally reserved for new features) completely hidden still. We don't have long left..
Sounds intriguing, although it could be some crazy 6v6 battle (as in all 6 out at once) :laugh:
I think if they do release a new game mechanic it is certainly a likely possibility; but it may be like combination moves in Gen V, where they only released 3 after saying they were included.
Quote from: The Shiny Emboar on August 04, 2013, 15:46
Many Pokemon don't learn moves of their types. I mean, look at me. I can learn Grass Knot and Scald. Fennekin's final evolution will certainly be bipedal, but Glow Punch doesn't necessarily have to be the same type as the Pokemon.
This better not be some sort of posting gimmick
Quote from: Turner on August 04, 2013, 16:16
It didn't sound super effective to me.
You know what I think though? I think it will be dual typed.
Where did this idea come from?
Dry Skin Parasect is technically capable of being 8x weak to Fire attacks.
I don't know if I'd like dual-type moves. It seems kind of cool, but also seems a bit overpowered if not done carefully. I guess all I can say is it would be interesting.
I'm also willing to bet it was a troll thing. They know how much people don't want a third Fire/Fighting, so why not mess with everyone?
Quote from: Richard and Blaziken on August 04, 2013, 22:04
I'm also willing to bet it was a troll thing. They know how much people don't want a FOURTH Fire/Fighting, so why not mess with everyone?
Sorry, just fixed your point. Makes it even more valid. But yeah, I suppose they won't be
that stupid. They won't do something that will only lose sales.
I guess I just subconsciously don't acknowledge that Infernape exists.
Quote from: Richard and Blaziken on August 04, 2013, 22:09
I guess I just subconsciously don't acknowledge that Infernape exists.
Can't say I blame you ;D
Or maybe you subconsciously class Blaziken as a god, not a Pokémon :tongue2:
Edit: Just a thought; if GF are just doing this to tease people, how far do you think they'll take it? Do you think they'll stop her; or will they make it look more likely before saying 'haha, no it's psychic!'? I personally think it'd be hilarious if it used Focus Punch in the next trailer :tongue2:
I don't mind Fennekin becoming bipedal, but I will not tolerate another Fire/Fighting starter. We already have three of those. Maybe Game Freak is trying to create another Blaziken?
But we have to consider that this is Fennekin using the move. Since it doesn't appear to be Fire/Fighting now, I'm sure it will develop Fighting-type traits, such as moves, later on, should it be Fire/Fighting. Remember, this is still its basic stage. As Monferno was the one to learn Mach Punch, not Chimchar, and Pignite learned Arm Thrust while Tepig couldn't, Fighting-type attacks may be so close yet so far for a Fire/Fighting-line Fennekin. This punch could be Psychic, Fairy, or a signature-move in either case. The kind of attitude X and Y comes around with is the tendency to try new things, so I'm not worried Fennekin would end up as Fire/Fighting. Also, since we've just had Zen Mode Darmanitan and more importantly Victini, the Fire/Psychic type combination may be on Game Freak's mind right now to make the typing more abundant. They may immortalize the combo by making it the type of a starter.
This "Glow Punch" could always be Fighting-type, and that's the point, but if we knew for sure, it wouldn't prove that Fennekin is Fire/Fighting. The thing is, something is still off about how early the Pokémon learns this move.
The move's name, Glow Punch, sounds pretty special. "Glow" has the connotation of Fairy type, and from what we know about it, it's super effective on Dragon, an uncommon type. Fairy type's purpose could be targeting other uncommon types in terms of weaknesses, such as Normal. So a Fairy-type Glow Punch may define the possibly super effective attack on a Fire/Normal-type in the video.
Targeting Normal doesn't make much sense, in my opinion, as Normal types have never dominated the metagame, having STAB attacks that have no Super Effective coverage. Blissey's only OU because of her HP and Sp. Defense, and I can't even think of another OU Normal type off the top of my head. It's a pretty poor type, being resisted by two types and doing nothing to Ghosts. In fact, thinking about it, Normal and Dragon are pretty similar in terms of type coverage, but Dragon is just better in every way.
I was taking less of a competitive battling approach and more of a creative one. Dragon got a new weakness, and that made me think that in a later generation Ghost will gain another as well (unless Fairy is super effective in that case and we just don't know it), and that a type might not have one weakness forever. I wouldn't be speaking for the metagame. It makes sense for Normal, plain and dull, to be beaten by Fairy, sparkly and creative. Of course the metagame won't fall behind. If Normal is targeted, since the type doesn't succeed in the metagame as is, it wouldn't make much sense, but it wouldn't hurt, either.
I don't think normal's type effectiveness will ever change. I think the idea with normal is that it's so bog-standard that it doesn't make sense to give it arbitrary strengths and weaknesses. Most of the weakest Pokemon in the game are normal type, if they had a ton of weaknesses they would be in too much danger, but it's not impossible to use a normal type well. They are a good blank canvas so to speak.
With Fairy I think A) A new type was inevitable regardless of what it was and B) They wanted to introduce a new element into the metagame by nerfing dragons. I'm 90% sure Fairy will end up weak to Poison and Steel, as this ties in with folklore and also gives those two types a much needed offensive boost. I'm not sure what else it will be weak to though.
Right now, they'll probably use Fairy as a way of making cute Pokemon relevant again - let's face it, as Pokemon technology has improved, it's super easy to take part in battle tournaments with your DS alone, as well as the VGC stuff which is nice. But unfortunately they don't leave a lot of options open to young girls or people who like the 'cute' Pokemon because they're basically useless against a competitive Dragon (which is silly when they are often the mascot characters of Pokemon).
Fairies won't give it all to them on a plate though, they will likely play a cleric role and hopefully begin to make the metagame more defensive which could be nice. I like it though, it makes people think twice about sending out their Dragon to Draco Meteor everything and we'll see more mixed teams as a result. In the future Fairy will likely shrug off the 'cute' connotations and will likely be more forest/nature based rather than cute pink blobs, that will probably be when we see Fairy becoming more offensive and really coming into its own as a type - and yes, we will likely see more Dragons too. I doubt they will boost the power of dragons but they will give them more interesting moves/abilities and maybe even introduce them earlier on in the game in varying forms.
Ultimately it'll be a good thing, they could have really botched a new type but I think it could become a very interesting addition.
Turner answer my question
Quote from: Draghost haunts the site! on August 05, 2013, 06:10*snip*
I can list around 5-6 moves that end in punch that are not fighting type. Can we drop this line of conversation about Fennekin being part fighting type? Yall realize that nintendo are fairly receptive to their fans and wouldn't attempt to troll us with a fourth one in a row right?
Quote from: Lord Raven on August 07, 2013, 04:36
Can we drop this line of conversation about Fennekin being part fighting type? Yall realize that nintendo are fairly receptive to their fans and wouldn't attempt to troll us with a fourth one in a row right?
An advertisement showed it using what appears to be a fighting type move. I'd say that's a decent reason to have Fighting Type speculation. As for trolling, they've not only given us an ice cream pokemon, but also a Cotton Candy Pokemon... I wouldn't put it past them to make another Fire/Fighting just for the heck of it.
I hope you didn't half-read my post
There are enough people who liked the Vanillite line that I wouldn't consider it trolling, btw. Who's the cotton candy Pokemon?
Well it's definitely an interesting speculation point, I REALLY hope they don't give us another Fire/Fighting and I'm sure they won't but the whole thing is pretty amusing/worrysome in a light hearted way. If it is another Fire/Fighting I just won't use it, but personally I think Froakie is going to be the Fighting dual type this time around, it seems to have a 'combat stance' and I can imagine it kicking stuff in the anime very well.
Anyway, about Dual-typed attacks, the leak that has been proven correct so far said that there were a few dual-type attacks. It's a long shot and Glow Punch will probably just end up being a physical psychic attack like Zen Headbutt but I thought I'd throw the speculation out there anyway just in case it turns out to be correct.
Dual type attacks would be annoying.
Quote from: Lord Raven on August 07, 2013, 04:36
I can list around 5-6 moves that end in punch that are not fighting type.
Of course you can. That's not what I meant.
I was speaking "if" Fennekin turned out to be Fire/Fighting. Still, anything is possible. In my own opinion
Quote from: Draghost haunts the site! on August 05, 2013, 06:10
The kind of attitude X and Y comes around with is the tendency to try new things, so I'm not worried Fennekin would end up as Fire/Fighting.
I can't say the Vanillite line or the Cotton Candy Pokémon is trolling, because as long as there are still things in real life that haven't been made into Pokémon, it goes. We've got it in the real world. Why not in the Pokémon world? It shouldn't be so radical.
I think I'll clear the game with fenniken and torchic in my party, then ditch fenniken for blaziken.
Well, if Fennekin becomes Fire/Psychic, I know who I'm using to beat up Blaziken.
If that's so, It'll do the same to emboar and infernape, and I can just sic my milotic on it.
*Cough* Emboar gets Scald *Cough* Infernape gets Earthquake*
Both will be slower, it can switch or kill you instantly, and that's a horrid cough job.
Please, stop continuing those arguments from the other thread you two, jeez. It's irritating.
Glow Punch may well be Fighting coverage to scare us, but I think it's just a Fairy type punch move I guess. Not much to speculate until we know the typing of its' evos.
Fire/psychic would be interesting. I always thought ninetales should've been part psychic.
if not i'd like fire/ground. Fennec foxes live in deserts so that'd be pretty cool.
I'm getting a renamon vibe from this too, renamon's champion stage was awesome <3
^Kyubimon? I liked him too, haven't used him in a while though, because I didn't like his Ultimate stage :(