My dream is to work in the Pokemon company to make some Much needed changes because the people om charge of everything Pokemon really disappointed me gen 6. For example Pokemon fans: the people running ( Pokémon) didn't even bother to fill the whole gen 6 pokedex ..only like 60 new Pokémon. Im guessing the people running (Pokemon) probably think they the new mega evolutions count as the other 100 Pokemon remaining.. Cause clearly Im missing something. Even worse, Mega Evolutions were introduced gen 6 and none of the Pokemon in its generation even got an evolution.
So yeah Me and brothers love Pokémon , mostly me though but my brother loves Pokemon too, also my other brother, ..Anyways I love Pokemon but me and my brothers always talk about some new Pokemon changes should be changed or added. Like I Mentioned earlier, I think the whole temporary mega evolution is just not good and pointless to me.
-Me and my brothers are always talking about how some Pokemon really need a New Evolution like the famously forgotten dunsparce. I don't use dunsparce but it would be cool if he evolved right. Many Pokemon really need an evolution and I want to hear many other peoples dream evolutions of which Pokémon should evolve or Really need to Evolve. I personally want Seviper to evolve,Not Mega Evolve.
-I Don't like How Pokémon only released one New Type, FAIRY. I Honestly don't like this new type mainly because i actually preferred it to be called LIGHT type instead. Also, I wished they could've thought of more types rather than 1. And I think moonblast should have been a dark type move instead of fairy. I wanna know know what fanmade types would have been cool if they were real and should be added.
- Pokemon Moves. Even this topic isn't safe from me. I want cool moves but I Don't want cheater moves either.
I love poison types and I think the (pokemon people) should really give poison type pokemonn some cool Pokemon moves and a cool poison type legendary' for god sakes. Some Pokemon cards have pretty cool sounding attacks like, I heard Empoleon have a move called Ice Blade and I just like the ring to it. Why not, there's leaf blade already. I'm not asking for a poison type move that takes like 500 special attack. Even some Pokemon types need some better moves like bug and ghost. Better moves must be made and they might as well sound cool. What do you guys think?
-I have many theories to why A Wii u Pokemon game hasn't came out. #1) The Pokemon people are just too genuinely lazy to create such a masterpiece. They haven't made Pokemon home console game since 2007, so times have changed and people expect a lot. And it must be a very daunting task like I said to create a very detailed game. #2 the Pokemon people just want it on DS because it sell better or its just somehow meant to be portable so that other Pokemon owners carry theirs DS's and trade and done. #3 I takes several several years , maybe they haven't begone the secret development or they want to but they have few ideas or its become an even bigger problem than they believed. #4 I just don't know #5 maybe they'll will make a Pokémon game but for the console after Wii u.#6 they just don't want to #7 Nintendo Creator fears this game because its just so good people will die of its sheer awesomeness.
I talk about anything Pokemon 24/7 and I want to know every bodies opinions!! I want to know your Pokemon teams and I really wanna know what you guys think
My name is Ruben and hope you guys voice your opinions
To an extent I agree, there's a lack of new proper evolotuions for older pokemon, like dunsparce. Mega-Evolutions for stuff like Mawile and Audino are nice, but I can't help but feel like a next stage would flesh them out a little more. But at the same time, fourth gen had loads of evolutions for older pokemon and a few weren't totally well received. Magmortar and Electivire aren't the most popular pokemon, for example.
At the same time, there's now something like 718 pokemon running around. This is coming right after 5th gen which had a pretty damn high amount of pokemon already. I'm not personally upset that Nintendo are slowing down with new pokemon. Since Mega-Evolution is a new mechanic, it also makes sense that they're focusing on that rather than new pokemon.
I'm also totally fine with just the one new type. Even though it sounds weird to say now, type matchups actually take a while to learn and digest for new players. Changing and adding types every gen would make it much harder to keep up with for all players. Balancing the types so that each are roughly equally strong is also more difficult as more and more types get added. Similar argument for new moves as well. Cross Poison, Toxic, Sludge Wave; poison type moves aren't in an abysmal state at the moment. But a legendary poison type would be cool.
As for why there isn't a Pokemon WiiU game... well I'd be suprised if there wasn't one in the works as we speak right now. I don't know if it'll be a "main series" game like X/Y, but even if it's something like Pokemon XD or colleseum then I'll be over the moon.
Believe me, I genuinely love Pokemon but It actually hurts me when The Pokémon designer's fudge up some things that were already fine in Pokémon. I dislike mega evolutions because some look terrible & some look over exaggerated. I don't think all mega evolutions are terrible like LUCARIO ~ but I don't think this new game "mechanic" was brilliant or even necessary. I know , I know .. I sound like gen 6 totally sicks but oh' there's nothing wrong with gen 5. No no no, gen 5 was also disappointing, Reshiram and Zekrom are fudging cool don't get me wrong, they took the cake in their roles as the mascots in bw. But I just don't like the other legendaries like the 3 flying genies or the other 3 musketeers as legendaries. I don't wanna sound like a negative Nancy but I just didn't like their designs overall. I like the other bw legendaries because the others were cool or just not as terrible looking. Compare Raikou, entei, suicune with the 3 genies and 3 musketeer's and you'll understand why I'm bugged . Maractus, Basculin, Stunfisk and some other gen 5 Pokemon looked less than stellar in my opinion and just horrible. I just recently found out that slowbro has a mega evolution and i wasn't too thrilled about that. Audino looks fine but Why not just give it an evolution? Have you seen Kangashkans's mega? He looks so drastically different, The baby is out of its pouch, no way, so different right. Why does Charizard only get two megas? Why Does Gardevoir look like a bride? I can go on all day about the things wrong with megas but Ill stop and I hope you can understand where I'm coming from. I just feel like the Pokemon designer and his coworkers are just fiddling with their pencils and drawing anything and calling it a Pokemon. Hawlucha looks weird but somehow it made the cut rather than have a few tweaks before release. I feel like the Pokemon designers just sometimes draw anything but who cares, people will buy it anyways. The designers really need to step it up gen 7 because gen 6 was frankly a disappointment.
''why does charizard only get two megas?''
the real question is, why does it get 2 and nothing else
I disagree. I think what they are doing is pretty solid.
I must say, they are trying to make things like shiny hunting much more accessible, which is bringing in more shiny hunters to Pokémon. I think that's pretty good myself.
But I think the sheer amount of Pokémon around nowadays means it is fairgame for them to slow down with how many they are churning out per generation. A new player wouldn't take kindly to having to learn about over 700 Pokémon that exist. It would take a while to digest. Even now, we all forget about that one Pokémon.
are you 12? i bet you are.
y r girls so hawt too.
@caught bread handed- It was stupid to give charizard 2 megas for no reason but not the other starters.Just like mewtwo but not mew, that's just stupid and I don't care about charizard
@Spriter- No, I disagree with you. Im not a shiny hunter so I don't really care for it but I do know about it. Yes, we all do forgot some Pokemon now and then. But its not the end of the world if we did, and that's why our "common sense" helps us differentiate who's who or making educated guesses. You won't learn everybody Or everything right away, and I think the same goes when playing yugioh like xyz, synchros, and so on. I personally don't have any life or death situations if I forgot my opponents Pokemon types.
@sappy- and no, I'm not 12 you weirdo and that's probably just your hormones raging. Talk to your parents about that
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 14, 2014, 06:52
@sappy- and no, I'm not 12 you weirdo and that's probably just your hormones raging. Talk to your parents about that
He's totally 12.
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 12, 2014, 08:16
My dream is to work in the Pokemon company to make some Much needed changes because the people om charge of everything Pokemon really disappointed me gen 6.
Really those graphics disappointed you? Y'know the much desired 3D graphics sucked?
That trainer customization was terrible too?
QuoteFor example Pokemon fans: the people running ( Pokémon) didn't even bother to fill the whole gen 6 pokedex ..only like 60 new Pokémon. Im guessing the people running (Pokemon) probably think they the new mega evolutions count as the other 100 Pokemon remaining.. Cause clearly Im missing something. Even worse, Mega Evolutions were introduced gen 6 and none of the Pokemon in its generation even got an evolution.
Mega Diancie just happened. Plus Game Freak wanted you to experience the place. Why'd you need over 100 Pokemon anyway? I mean, they tried that and people like you moaned about 5th Gen. Srsly make your mind.
QuoteSo yeah Me and brothers love Pokémon , mostly me though but my brother loves Pokemon too, also my other brother, ..Anyways I love Pokemon but me and my brothers always talk about some new Pokemon changes should be changed or added. Like I Mentioned earlier, I think the whole temporary mega evolution is just not good and pointless to me.
GUYS, THIS GUYS BROTHER KNOWS EVERYTHING. Also Mega-Evolutions changed the metagame completely. It was hardly a pointless change.
Quote-Me and my brothers are always talking about how some Pokemon really need a New Evolution like the famously forgotten dunsparce. I don't use dunsparce but it would be cool if he evolved right. Many Pokemon really need an evolution and I want to hear many other peoples dream evolutions of which Pokémon should evolve or Really need to Evolve. I personally want Seviper to evolve,Not Mega Evolve.
Probably the only valid thing.
Quote-I Don't like How Pokémon only released one New Type, FAIRY. I Honestly don't like this new type mainly because i actually preferred it to be called LIGHT type instead. Also, I wished they could've thought of more types rather than 1. And I think moonblast should have been a dark type move instead of fairy. I wanna know know what fanmade types would have been cool if they were real and should be added.
Seriously, they're running out of things to make types upon. Also hating something because of it's name is plain stupid unless the name is offensive.
Quote- Pokemon Moves. Even this topic isn't safe from me. I want cool moves but I Don't want cheater moves either.
I love poison types and I think the (pokemon people) should really give poison type pokemonn some cool Pokemon moves and a cool poison type legendary' for god sakes.
"pokemon people"
lol.
Game Freak design Pokemon because the designs are good, not because there is a desire for something. It is they Game Freak have designed some gems. Seriously Design is more important than type.
QuoteSome Pokemon cards have pretty cool sounding attacks like, I heard Empoleon have a move called Ice Blade and I just like the ring to it. Why not, there's leaf blade already. I'm not asking for a poison type move that takes like 500 special attack. Even some Pokemon types need some better moves like bug and ghost. Better moves must be made and they might as well sound cool. What do you guys think?
TCG is completely unrelated to the games. It's like saying why was Ash's Pikachu born with the most varying Sp Atk stat ever. New moves have been added... Parting Shot, Moonblast and Flying Press include some.
Quote-I have many theories to why A Wii u Pokemon game hasn't came out. #1) The Pokemon people are just too genuinely lazy to create such a masterpiece. They haven't made Pokemon home console game since 2007, so times have changed and people expect a lot. And it must be a very daunting task like I said to create a very detailed game. #2 the Pokemon people just want it on DS because it sell better or its just somehow meant to be portable so that other Pokemon owners carry theirs DS's and trade and done. #3 I takes several several years , maybe they haven't begone the secret development or they want to but they have few ideas or its become an even bigger problem than they believed. #4 I just don't know #5 maybe they'll will make a Pokémon game but for the console after Wii u.#6 they just don't want to #7 Nintendo Creator fears this game because its just so good people will die of its sheer awesomeness.
There's already a Pokemon Wii U Game - Rumble U. If you're expecting a Colloseum/XD kinda game yeah that would be cool if they handled the catching mechanism better.
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 13, 2014, 08:25
Believe me, I genuinely love Pokemon but It actually hurts me when The Pokémon designer's fudge up some things that were already fine in Pokémon. I dislike mega evolutions because some look terrible & some look over exaggerated. I don't think all mega evolutions are terrible like LUCARIO ~ but I don't think this new game "mechanic" was brilliant or even necessary. I know , I know .. I sound like gen 6 totally sicks but oh' there's nothing wrong with gen 5.
Lucario was an awful Mega. (Yeah, it's good competitively, but it just looks awful)
Fans like you need to appreciate what Game Freak does. They build a whole new game on a new piece of hardware and you assume the game's a failure on a lack of Pokemon (Cause 700+ isn't a big enough number already..) and an awesome battle mechanic. Stop moaning for just one second and appreciate the marvel that is X and Y. Look at the graphics. They look much better than you. Trainer customization has been the most wanted thing since everyone realised Charizard was bad up until Mega Evolutions. The only thing dire about X and Y is the inability to take off your hat, postgame and the story.
QuoteNo no no, gen 5 was also disappointing, Reshiram and Zekrom are fudging cool don't get me wrong, they took the cake in their roles as the mascots in bw. But I just don't like the other legendaries like the 3 flying genies or the other 3 musketeers as legendaries. I don't wanna sound like a negative Nancy but I just didn't like their designs overall.
Sorry my lordship they didn't meet your standards. I'll talk to Game Freak, I'm sure they'll understand a 12 year old isn't happy and need to fix them.
QuoteI like the other bw legendaries because the others were cool or just not as terrible looking. Compare Raikou, entei, suicune with the 3 genies and 3 musketeer's and you'll understand why I'm bugged . Maractus, Basculin, Stunfisk and some other gen 5 Pokemon looked less than stellar in my opinion and just horrible.
bro, Maractus is perfect. Don't you dare mess with Maractus.
QuoteI just recently found out that slowbro has a mega evolution and i wasn't too thrilled about that.
PSST IT'S A BEYBLADE
QuoteAudino looks fine but Why not just give it an evolution? Have you seen Kangashkans's mega? He looks so drastically different, The baby is out of its pouch, no way, so different right. Why does Charizard only get two megas? Why Does Gardevoir look like a bride? I can go on all day about the things wrong with megas but Ill stop
But you don't stop moaning lmao. What's wrong with a baby jumping out of a patch? What's wrong with a bride? Omg lol.
Quoteand I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.
Nope.
QuoteI just feel like the Pokemon designer and his coworkers are just fiddling with their pencils and drawing anything and calling it a Pokemon.
Your lack of appreciation of how much hard work is put into a video game is plain rude and ignorant.
QuoteHawlucha looks weird but somehow it made the cut rather than have a few tweaks before release. I feel like the Pokemon designers just sometimes draw anything but who cares, people will buy it anyways. The designers really need to step it up gen 7 because gen 6 was frankly a disappointment.
Guys a 12 year old doesn't like Hawlucha send it back for a refund!
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 14, 2014, 06:52
@Spriter- No, I disagree with you. Im not a shiny hunter so I don't really care for it but I do know about it. Yes, we all do forgot some Pokemon now and then. But its not the end of the world if we did, and that's why our "common sense" helps us differentiate who's who or making educated guesses. You won't learn everybody Or everything right away, and I think the same goes when playing yugioh like xyz, synchros, and so on. I personally don't have any life or death situations if I forgot my opponents Pokemon types.
That's his point. You have so many that you forget about some. (LOL XATU, PARAS LOL)
Why do you need more if you don't care for the Ledians and Sewaddle's you already have?
Also thank god you found the enter key in the last post, I was starting to cry.
kthxbye
I'm going to keep this brief, so I stay inoffensive. There was 1 year between Black2/White2 and X/Y. One. Go pop in B2/W2 for seven minutes and run around, move Pokemon around in PC boxes, and do a battle. That's all I want you to do. Done that? Pop X/Y back in. Do those same things. The difference is astounding.
Game Freak designed 721 3D models, which isn't counting any alternate forms or mega evolutions, which brings the number up a considerably high amount. This is why gen 6 had 69+3 Pokemon. Mega Evolutions are new Pokemon, both in functionality and appearance, they just don''t function like typical Pokemon. They had to put the same amount of effort into them.
I won't be responding to this topic again because I'm fairly sure I'll pull a Sappy and have a wall of text for you, which neither of us need, but I will say that just because you and your brother agree with each other on things, does not mean you're necessarily right, since I disagree with damn near every point you made.
Ok, I won't have much to say here, because everyone else has said it already.
For one, there are awesome moves already. For example, there's Hidden Power, which varies on IVs and other stats. Judgement is Arceus exclusive and varies on what plate it holds. High Jump Kick makes you take major damage if you miss, the poster child of high risk, high reward. However, I do think there are some moves that need to be made, like a will-o-wisp version that freezes, and awesome depends on the person.
Quote from: Sappy on August 14, 2014, 09:13
Lucario was an awful Mega. (Yeah, it's good competitively, but it just looks awful)
Fans like you need to appreciate what Game Freak does. They build a whole new game on a new piece of hardware and you assume the game's a failure on a lack of Pokemon (Cause 700+ isn't a big enough number already..) and an awesome battle mechanic. Stop moaning for just one second and appreciate the marvel that is X and Y. Look at the graphics. They look much better than you. Trainer customization has been the most wanted thing since everyone realised Charizard was bad up until Mega Evolutions. The only thing dire about X and Y is the inability to take off your hat, postgame and the story.
This, so much yes (minus the mega lucario part).
Rubin, Game Freak has made 721 pokemon, not counting alt. forms, just for people like you. Then people like you complain that there weren't enough new pokemon or the new ones sucked. They could've just ended the series any time they wanted to. Be thankful for what they've added. With the alt. forms included, i'd guess that there are about 800 pokemon total. That's a lot to design, tweak, approve and finalize. Then they go back and update the old ones with each new generation. Don't believe me?
Wigglytuff- Gen 5 Normal, Gen 6 Normal/Fairy
Blaziken- In Gen 4, the best fighting move it had was superpower. Gen 5 it got HJK. Did I mention Speed Boost?
Blastoise- In gen 6, it got aura sphere as an egg move. Did it in Gen 5? No
Scolipede- It got Speed Boost as the hidden ability this gen. Not in gen 5.
Roserade- Defense was boosted from 55 to 65 from gen 5 to gen 6.
A lot of pokemon from gen 4 to gen 5 gained Hidden abilities, then some changes in gen 6.
And so on and so forth. I'm not giving anymore, because i'd be typing all day.
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 13, 2014, 08:25
I just feel like the Pokemon designer and his coworkers are just fiddling with their pencils and drawing anything and calling it a Pokemon.
Are you really that clueless? Like I said before, they have to design, tweak, edit, approve and tweak each pokemon they make. They don't just draw some blob and call it a pokemon. If that was so, there wouldn't be all these generations. If it was like that, would people buy it? I bet you couldn't make a pokemon that would pass the people who make these.
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 13, 2014, 08:25
I feel like the Pokemon designers just sometimes draw anything but who cares, people will buy it anyways.
Same as above.
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 14, 2014, 06:52
@sappy- and no, I'm not 12 you weirdo and that's probably just your hormones raging. Talk to your parents about that
And maybe you should talk to your parents about what manners are. (hypocritical statement I know)
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 13, 2014, 08:25
Why does Charizard only get two megas?
Why, are 2 megas not enough for you? Mewtwo has 2 megas and you aren't complaining about that, now are you?
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 13, 2014, 08:25
Why Does Gardevoir look like a bride?
You have something against brides?
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 13, 2014, 08:25
gen 6 was frankly a disappointment.
Woah, hold it there. I know it's an opinion, but gen 6 brought so many new things, just for fans like you and me. 3D, megas, trainer customization. You say it's a disappointment?! They did all of this just for you and you're saying it all sucks? They didn't have to put all these new features in. Fairy types are new, do you think they suck? I don't for one. A type immune to dragons is something really cool and has produced some funny memes in the process. Did they have to make it in 3D? No! They did it for the fans. Everything they add is either for the fans or is something groundbreaking that is taking advantage of new technology.
Quote from: pokemonruben10 on August 13, 2014, 08:25
Believe me, I genuinely love Pokemon
I don't believe you. If you really do, you have a funny way of showing it.
I'm going to stop now before I have to type more, but I hope you get my point.
this was fun on mobile lmao
I agree with most of the things except a Wii U game. Not all of us can afford one!
So Wii U shouldn't get a game until you can afford it?
^I just don't like the idea. I honestly have NEVER played a Smash Bros. game before, any of the Pokemon console games, OR LOZ: Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, or Skyward Sword because I never got the systems they were on. The ONLY reason I played Ocarina of Time was because of the 3DS. So yeah, I missed out on a LOT of great games because I'm on a budget. Plus I'm never home long enough to finish a console game in under a month so tne 3DS is the best system for me.
That's a dumb reason. A Pokemon console game would help the Wii U out so much. MK8 has done a lot, Smash will do a lot, Pokemon and Zelda are what the console needs. Not wanting it to happen because you won't get it is silly. Of course it'll happen, in some form or another, we always get a console game with connectivity to the main series games on the current generation handheld.
Yeah but by the time I FINALLY save up for the console, a NEW one is announced and then the games are discontinued and I'm stuck trying to find the game that I WANT to play for ages. I was given a PS3 and still cannot find Elder Scrolls: Oblivion!
Is that Nintendos fault if it happens? I don't think so. It's more down to you, not the gaming industry.
This thread asked for MY opinion and I gave it. I said that I don't like the idea of Pokemon being on a console that by the time I get it, Nintendo would have its next console out and I have no one to play the game with or be unable to get special downloads because they were limited time releases. I missed out on several in-store Event Pokemon because I did not have a DS for years. I missed out on Mew every sinle time and never got Draco Meteor Jirachi and that is one of my favorite moves!
Quote from: Captain Jigglypuff on August 15, 2014, 17:50
This thread asked for MY opinion and I gave it. I said that I don't like the idea of Pokemon being on a console that by the time I get it, Nintendo would have its next console out and I have no one to play the game with or be unable to get special downloads because they were limited time releases. I missed out on several in-store Event Pokemon because I did not have a DS for years. I missed out on Mew every sinle time and never got Draco Meteor Jirachi and that is one of my favorite moves!
Again, it's not THEIR fault that you didn't have a DS. You said you DON'T like the idea of Pokémon being on a Wii U or some console like that because YOU didn't have one at the time the game was released. Is it really their fault you didn't have one at the time? No. They won't save the games for when you have the consoles, they will release the games regardless. They're a company, they MAKE money by releasing games. They won't hold up the large sum of money they'll make just so you can get something.
just save up some money lol....
everyone's getting so stressed out godbless
personally, i think gardevoir should be the only pokemon in pokemon and everything else was completely useless and not worth it
also the only worthwhile game is trozei
goodnight friends
Quote from: Lalice of Shrubs on August 16, 2014, 00:57
also the only worthwhile game is trozei
dude... snap tho. snap was epic
All I was saying is what is the point of me stating that I personally would rather have the Pokemon games on handheld consoles if everyone tries to make me feel guilty about my own personal opinion. I just don't like the idea. You don't agee with me then think of it this way: It MY opinion and I'm just as entitled to it just as you are to think that saving money to buy the system the game is released on is the answer to my problems.
nobody's makin you feel guilty for anything if so you're misinterpreting something
Quote from: caught bread handed! on August 16, 2014, 03:06
nobody's makin you feel guilty for anything if so you're misinterpreting something
I probably am. I admit that I tend to over think things a lot and believe that people are criticizing me. Plus just reading words on a site you have to admit makes the reader not sure how things written are meant to be heard as since there are no vocal tones involved.
whoever's sockpuppet account the OP's is, can i just say i love you?????
i wish i was able to make everyone go nutso defending a childrens game and the trigger nothing but a mere spurious opening post, if i knew it was this easy beforehand i woulda changed up my game long ago
also yes, i agree with OP, we need a poison legendary, even normal type got a legendary and normal is next to useless
I think the Wii U game is mostly them not wanted to mess with the formula. I mean, pokemon fans have been complaining since at least Gen 4 that they're kind of sick of doing the same thing. Catch 'em all, beat the gym leaders, become champion. Fire, water, grass starters. They're doing a similar thing that Call of Duty does, because they know you'll drop money for this time tested formula that has been lucrative for them for the past 18 years. I don't have any numbers for it, but I'm willing to bet it costs a lot less money to make a portable DS game, as opposed to a stationary console game. The bar that's set for handhelds vs. console is so radically different. The sales would have to be incredible for it to pay off.
I really doubt there will be a serious console pokemon game for the Wii U. Nobody that I know -- not my friends, not my younger family members, nobody -- has a Wii U. There haven't been a whole lot of promos, and it just doesn't seem to be a very convincing system. The only way I think we could ever possibly have one is if Pokemon makes a game that is just so fantastic and blows our minds, that a substantial amount of consumers decide that they really want a Wii U for that game. And maybe one or two others. My personal belief is that we can kiss consoles goodbye all together very soon, so I'd expect to see reboots, sequels, and other lower budget creations. I mean, not to tangent too hard, but now if you want to play a repetitive shooter, you don't need to pay $60 anymore -- you can get it for free before microtransactions on the app store.
Now, maybe in the next gen console after this, if Nintendo does something really big, and gets people excited, we could see a decent console game. But even then, we have to deal with the first points -- familiarity, designing a totally new model, stuff like that.
^At least SOMEONE agrees with me. That was my point exactly. The Wii U sales aren't very high right now and there are WAY more DS, DSi, and 3DS models out there and millions of Wiis. If the game was on a Wii instead I wouldn't have much of a problem. It's just that there aren't too many games out right now for the Wii U to want me to get one. As I said before, everytime I get the system, I have no one to play it with locally and online play have players that are experts by that time in the game that it really isn't fair that they all attack me before I even take one step.
On the subject of a wii u pokemon game, I'd like to mention the trademarked "Pokken Fighters", which appears to be a Pokémon / Tekken crossover for Wii U. This could be a pretty interesting game, and I don't know what's happened with it since the last time we've seen anything about it is at the end of that trailer of all the pokemon games through history a few months back.
I believe a Wii U pokemon game will be in development though, whether it be under Pokken Fighters or a new colloseum game. The console games are just too good for console sales to overlook.
Quote from: Captain Jigglypuff on August 18, 2014, 16:02
It's just that there aren't too many games out right now for the Wii U to want me to get one.
"This console doesn't have games therefore they shouldn't make games for it" is a pretty... Odd viewpoint. The fact it has few games worth buying is exactly why they should release one, to make the wii u have more games. The wii U could pull of an incredible pokemon game, something like Colloseum with graphics that make XY look like crap, the game pad removes the biggest UI flaw in PBR, the poor move selection, by acting like the bottom screen of the DS in battles. From Nintendo's viewpoint, a pokemon wii u game would sell enough consoles to be favourable for them, and the 3DS simply isn't as powerful as the Wii U and I'm sure game freak would love to develop on a more powerful console than they are used to (although, tbf, they've been nowhere near using the 3DS to it's fullest potential).
Really, there isn't a reason not to make it, it sells consoles, it provides fans with a new game, it would certainly make a profit, and those without a wii u who can't get one for whatever reason don't lose anything, they just don't gain anything either.
(Although, tbf, Re: Wii U having no games, a lot of games are getting / have better versions for Wii U (watchdogs, Arkham City) and the exclusives for Wii U make PS4 & XB1 exclusives look like garbage - Forza and Gran Turismo can make way for MK8 xD)
(Also, re: Wii U has bad sales, it's sales grew by 600% (yes, 600) when MK8 released and has now reached 6.68 Million sold)
What does Mortal Kombat have to with all this? The last MK game was on the Wii about seven years ago.
Purely from a business perspective a game on the Wii U is not only inevitable but should be implemented.
That being said I'd have no interest in buying it whatsoever
Quote from: RubyRobin on August 18, 2014, 16:44
(Although, tbf, Re: Wii U having no games, a lot of games are getting / have better versions for Wii U (watchdogs, Arkham City) and the exclusives for Wii U make PS4 & XB1 exclusives look like garbage - Forza and Gran Turismo can make way for MK8 xD)
Forza and Gran Turismo (even as series) from a technical perspective are much better games than Mario Kart but purely as a fun game Mario Kart is better; it's pretty much a serious v fun comparison, something I'd say in general applies to modern Nintendo v the other major consoles. It just depends what you want from your console, you're more likely to be immersed in a great PS4 / Xbox One game than a Wii U one but the latter you've got more of a guarantee of endless fun I guess?
Quote from: Captain Jigglypuff on August 18, 2014, 17:15
What does Mortal Kombat have to with all this? The last MK game was on the Wii about seven years ago.
MK as in Mario Kart, not Mortal Kombat.
Quote from: GL. on August 18, 2014, 17:39
Forza and Gran Turismo (even as series) from a technical perspective are much better games than Mario Kart but purely as a fun game Mario Kart is better; it's pretty much a serious v fun comparison, something I'd say in general applies to modern Nintendo v the other major consoles. It just depends what you want from your console, you're more likely to be immersed in a great PS4 / Xbox One game than a Wii U one but the latter you've got more of a guarantee of endless fun I guess?
Forza and GT aren't /better/ from a technical perspective, they're more realistic. Like, Forza and GT have more realistic physics engines and what have you, but that doesn't mean they have a better physics engine as MK is set in a different world where physics may be different anyways.
But I guess the main thing is, MK8 is more unique. Sure, there's Sonic & Sega All Stars transformed, but it's nowhere near on par with MK8, whereas pretty much any realistic racing game can be substituted with another, with the main difference just being the cars they've made available.
Quote from: RubyRobin on August 18, 2014, 17:54
Forza and GT aren't /better/ from a technical perspective, they're more realistic. Like, Forza and GT have more realistic physics engines and what have you, but that doesn't mean they have a better physics engine as MK is set in a different world where physics may be different anyways.
But I guess the main thing is, MK8 is more unique. Sure, there's Sonic & Sega All Stars transformed, but it's nowhere near on par with MK8, whereas pretty much any realistic racing game can be substituted with another, with the main difference just being the cars they've made available.
I dunno, I'd personally consider the graphics, the engines, etc., the reason why it's better from a technical perspective. That doesn't necessarily make it a better game though because there's more to games than just being technically good =P
The point about substituting's kinda false because you get some real terrible realistic attempts too. Forza and GT just happen to be good games but over the years there have been many bad ones which is why those two are the front runners; same reason why MK8 is the front runner for that style of racing too.
Quote from: GL. on August 18, 2014, 18:17
I dunno, I'd personally consider the graphics, the engines, etc., the reason why it's better from a technical perspective. That doesn't necessarily make it a better game though because there's more to games than just being technically good =P
The point about substituting's kinda false because you get some real terrible realistic attempts too. Forza and GT just happen to be good games but over the years there have been many bad ones which is why those two are the front runners; same reason why MK8 is the front runner for that style of racing too.
Out of interest, have you played MK8? Because until I had, I know I thought it'd have "Nintendo" graphics, but it's surprisingly competitive. I'm not saying it's PS4 at it's best level graphics, but it certainly makes GT5 look like garbage (haven't played GT6, so can't comment on whether it's as good as those graphics). I certainly don't think graphics hinder MK8 at all - it's a stunning game in that regard.
I suppose another way of looking at it is... Did PS3/4 sales rise by 600% when GT6 came out? No, because it's not as big of a console seller as MK8. Whether that implies it's not as good or not is questionable, but it certainly suggests MK8 is a more influential exclusive, much like a pokemon console game would be
Also, the point is more a complete lack of MK clones. There's literally just sonic and Sega all stars. But being that the conversation stems from MK8 being a better exclusive, I suppose the point is that every console has a pretty good realistic racing game, whereas none other than the Wii (U) have anything close to MK8, with Sonic and Sega Transformed being the closest thing, and the difference in graphics and gameplay is so huge it's barely fair to put them on the same level.
Quote from: RubyRobin on August 18, 2014, 18:51
Out of interest, have you played MK8? Because until I had, I know I thought it'd have "Nintendo" graphics, but it's surprisingly competitive. I'm not saying it's PS4 at it's best level graphics, but it certainly makes GT5 look like garbage (haven't played GT6, so can't comment on whether it's as good as those graphics). I certainly don't think graphics hinder MK8 at all - it's a stunning game in that regard.
I haven't but I have played GT6 (which is a lot better graphically than 5, it's very very good for what it is) but even then Wii U technically is next level from PS3 which isn't necessarily the best comparison (although I don't know the differences between U and regular since I've not played a U =P). I would even say the Wii games graphically are bad, quite the opposite, but still not quite
as strong as the alternatives but even then it's more suited to that Nintendo style.
Quote from: RubyRobin on August 18, 2014, 18:51
I suppose another way of looking at it is... Did PS3/4 sales rise by 600% when GT6 came out? No, because it's not as big of a console seller as MK8. Whether that implies it's not as good or not is questionable, but it certainly suggests MK8 is a more influential exclusive, much like a pokemon console game would be
oh, I agree with this, but at the same time there wasn't really many big games to get people to buy a Wii U beforehand other than Super Mario Bros ^^;
but yeah, GT as a franchise isn't quite as strong as it once was, I'd also say Nintendo in general depends a lot more on its exclusives; Xbox will shine without Halo, PS without Last of Us (as examples) because you still get stuff like CoD and GTA which sell. That's why I think it's important to get the Mario Karts, the Pokemons, the SSB, LoZ, etc. of this world out for Nintendo because it's those specifically which will bring in the £££
Quote from: RubyRobin on August 18, 2014, 18:51
Also, the point is more a complete lack of MK clones. There's literally just sonic and Sega all stars. But being that the conversation stems from MK8 being a better exclusive, I suppose the point is that every console has a pretty good realistic racing game, whereas none other than the Wii (U) have anything close to MK8, with Sonic and Sega Transformed being the closest thing, and the difference in graphics and gameplay is so huge it's barely fair to put them on the same level.
If you try and compete with Mario Kart you're essentially competing with Nintendo so there's no point. Even though I was a "Sega > Nintendo" kid there's no reason now to go away from Nintendo for that sort of thing.
Plus brand power is MASSIVE, people will always buy into the Mario Kart brand now (but this is a whole different discussion =P)
Quote from: GL. on August 18, 2014, 19:46
I haven't but I have played GT6 (which is a lot better graphically than 5, it's very very good for what it is) but even then Wii U technically is next level from PS3 which isn't necessarily the best comparison (although I don't know the differences between U and regular since I've not played a U =P). I would even say the Wii games graphically are bad, quite the opposite, but still not quite as strong as the alternatives but even then it's more suited to that Nintendo style.
The thing is, the Wii was an overclocked GameCube. On the inside, there was very little difference and that's why the Wii was so poor graphically in comparison to PS3 & XB360. The Wii U, however, is like what the 3DS is to the DS, an amazing improvement disguised as a similar console. The PS4 is obviously going to be stronger graphically than the Wii U - it had an extra 2 years and is like twice the price - but my comparison to the PS3 was more that the Wii, graphically, was WAY behind the others. MK8 is seriously one of the best games I've played graphically, and anyone who's played MK Wii will know how much of a huge jump that must be, playing MK8 in HD is stunning, and when I switched it into 3D for the first time I decided Sony must have donated a graphics card to Nintendo xD
oh, I agree with this, but at the same time there wasn't really many big games to get people to buy a Wii U beforehand other than Super Mario Bros ^^;
but yeah, GT as a franchise isn't quite as strong as it once was, I'd also say Nintendo in general depends a lot more on its exclusives; Xbox will shine without Halo, PS without Last of Us (as examples) because you still get stuff like CoD and GTA which sell. That's why I think it's important to get the Mario Karts, the Pokemons, the SSB, LoZ, etc. of this world out for Nintendo because it's those specifically which will bring in the £££
Nintendo absolutely thrives on exclusives, yeah, and their consoles generally thrive on a gimmick (Motion controls, gamepad). The Wii U could of been a lot better had they named it something unrelated to the Wii (seriously, everyone thought it was a peripheral for the wii >_>) and they'd had exclusives on launch.
If you try and compete with Mario Kart you're essentially competing with Nintendo so there's no point. Even though I was a "Sega > Nintendo" kid there's no reason now to go away from Nintendo for that sort of thing.
Plus brand power is MASSIVE, people will always buy into the Mario Kart brand now (but this is a whole different discussion =P)
Yeah, there's literally no way anything can take MK's niche anymore, the brand has built up such a reputation it's managing to make people buy a console just for it.
Also, relating to the first post;
-> Evolutions are something I want to see too, stuff like Absol definitely wanted an Evo more than a mega. Mega's are cool and I love them, but I do think it's a bit... Idk, some things want to evolve.
-> If a new type comes, it should be to balance fairies, as they are too OP as a type. I disagree with it being light type though - Dark is actually Evil type in Japan, so it wouldn't make much sense to have light as a counterpart in Japan.
-> Better moves is very.... Subjective. For instance, SB2K suggested a freezing WoW, but I think that'd be horribly broken and awful. So... Basically you can't add better moves, because everyone has differing opinions on what's 'better'
Nintendo are generally better with their games than with their big consoles, tbh. they trump the rest at E3 >:P
But yes.
I disagree with Fairies being overpowered as a type. In fact, Dark types seem to be more powerful thanks to Steel no longer resisting it. The Knock Off buff has only made them even better. If anything, Fairy should gain some kind of added weakness. But they aren't OP.
Mega Evolutions are pretty solid as they are really, there's no need to mess with giving things new evolutions really. Mega Evolution propelled Kangaskhan to higher levels than it previously reached, and the same goes for Manectric and Mawile, amongst others.
Quote from: Spriter on August 18, 2014, 20:38
I disagree with Fairies being overpowered as a type. In fact, Dark types seem to be more powerful thanks to Steel no longer resisting it. The Knock Off buff has only made them even better. If anything, Fairy should gain some kind of added weakness. But they aren't OP.
Fairy as a type is grossly overpowered, it's just that all the fairies we have are meh.
It's only weaknesses are Steel and Poison, both of which are awful offensive types otherwise. The only things that resist it are Steel, Poison and Fire, only the former of which is a major defensive type, and all of which share a common weakness to Ground. It's resists are Dark, Bug, Fighting and a Dragon immunity. Fighting and Dragon are HUGE. Last gen, they were arguably the best offensive types. Bug is a meh resist, but it does give a resist to U-turn, and Dark would of been meh last gen, but as you said, it's been bugged this gen which makes it a very prominent resist. Then it's Supereffective on Dragon, Fighting & Dark, all of which are pretty prominent (or were, until fairies came, as Dragons have plummeted in usage).
There aren't many overpowered fairies, however, as all of them have huge shortcomings, but as a type it is horrendously overpowered. You give something like Jirachi or Latias Fairy in favour of their Psychic type and they go straight to Übers (certainly in Latias' case, possibly not in Jirachi's as steel gives it a few prominent weaknesses)
Quote from: Spriter on August 18, 2014, 20:38
Mega Evolutions are pretty solid as they are really, there's no need to mess with giving things new evolutions really. Mega Evolution propelled Kangaskhan to higher levels than it previously reached, and the same goes for Manectric and Mawile, amongst others.
Megas are a good idea, I'm not doubting that, my problem is more things like Absol should really have had a regular evolution rather than a mega, in my opinion, and mega's should be reserved for things that are already evolved (Manectric, Charizard etc.) and even things like Kangaskhan that look evolved (and tbf, should have had a baby kangaskhan prevo).
I guess it's just a matter of which route you prefer on certain pokemon and makes the whole thing pretty subjective, which is most of the problem with a topic like this trying to improve the game when it's very difficult to improve it from everyone's viewpoint.
Quote from: LOOK AROUND YOG. on August 18, 2014, 14:49
also yes, i agree with OP, we need a poison legendary
Honestly, that's the most sense I've seen this week. How come other types get a legend, but not poison. Wait, I don't think bug got one, but who cares about them?
Quote from: ShinyBlaziken2000 on August 19, 2014, 22:19
Honestly, that's the most sense I've seen this week. How come other types get a legend, but not poison. Wait, I don't think bug got one, but who cares about them?
*cough* BANesect *cough*
Every type of Pokemon EXCEPT Poison has at least one Legendary associated with it. Arceus COULD be argued to be a Legendary Poison Pokemon when holding a Toxic Plate but it doesn't quite count as Arceus can change types so easily with the Plates.
Quote from: Captain Jigglypuff on August 19, 2014, 22:40
Every type of Pokemon EXCEPT Poison has at least one Legendary associated with it.
patience is a virtue, virtue is a grace, and you're passionately arguing this on a pokemon forum rather than writing to people who might be able to design one =P
Quote from: Captain Jigglypuff on August 18, 2014, 17:15
What does Mortal Kombat have to with all this? The last MK game was on the Wii about seven years ago.
..that was pretty bad.