I got these off of smogon's facebook page btw
HP Atk Def Spd SAtk SDef
Steelix 75 125 230 30 55 95
Glalie 80 120 80 100 120 80
Swampert 100 150 110 70 95 110
Sceptile 70 110 75 145 145 85
I guess post any others you see.
btw i had a bit of a moment cause I kept going "HP Str Mag skl Spd Lck Def Res" and I put Def in SAtk's spot. I won't explain why lol
I'd like to note that Mega Glalie is marginally viable now and Mega Steelix doesn't really impress me.
EDIT:
http://pastebin.com/eKAmvkQn
Has a whole ton of leaks. Including the base stats of the Pokemon. I am busy but I'll edit my post with all of the base stat changes later.
Mega Steelix's boost seem to have gone mostly into attack. I'm OK with this.
I'm glad Mega Glalie's boost isn't equally shared between it's stats like it's base form, should be an intresting change.
Swampert's boost makes me sad it's getting Swift Swim. Would have been great last gen but now seems like a waste. :(
I dunno, Swampert's pretty capable of hitting 400 to 468 speed with Swift Swim, though I have no idea if that's enough anymore.
Why didn't I know this thread was here :( Now to delete my post in the other thread.
I like the idea of Mixed Sceptile. Should be good at wallbreaking and stuff.
Swords Dance
Leaf Blade
Dragon Claw
Leaf Storm/HP Fire
Is Hidden Power even really viable anymore? It has all of 60 bp with no STAB... Unless you use it against like Abomasnow or something.
Quote from: Lord Raven on October 15, 2014, 22:13
Is Hidden Power even really viable anymore? It has all of 60 bp with no STAB... Unless you use it against like Abomasnow or something.
It's certainly much less so, but it's still used if y have no choice but to use it. In the case of M-Sceptile, it will need it for full special sets certainly as without HP Fire M-Scizor is free to switch in (Focus Blast doesn't even 2HKO).
On that set, however, HP Fire would be very meh without substantial investment, I can't help feeling that slot would be better filled with Earthquake.
Quote from: SapphireRobin|Omeganium on October 15, 2014, 22:18
It's certainly much less so, but it's still used if y have no choice but to use it. In the case of M-Sceptile, it will need it for full special sets certainly as without HP Fire M-Scizor is free to switch in (Focus Blast doesn't even 2HKO).
On that set, however, HP Fire would be very meh without substantial investment, I can't help feeling that slot would be better filled with Earthquake.
With no investment HP Fire does 47% - 56% to 252 HP / 4 Sp.Def Skarmory, a little bit of investment would put it in guaranteed 2HKO range. It's meant to be a wallbreaker so beating Pokémon like Skarmory is important, and Earthquake obviously does nothing to it unless it uses Roost.
I'm glad to see Steelix can do something now rather than sitting there watching the foe's HP slowly go down.
Quote from: Ledyba on October 15, 2014, 22:48
I'm glad to see Steelix can do something now rather than sitting there watching the foe's HP slowly go down.
I am afraid... you have never heard of Sheer Force and Life Orb Steelix.
I updated the OP with some leaks that people found upon digging into the data of the ORAS demo.
Mega Swampert is weaker than Mega Blaziken. I'm just gonna let that absurd comment sink in. Mega Swampert is going to be awful. Slightly more defensive than Swampert at the cost of Leftovers. Less powerful than Life Orb/Choice Band Swampert, and marginally faster than normal Swampert (tying with Bisharp and Breloom of note, and Breloom kills it anyway). Such a huge disappointment. Not to mention the design is awful.
That aside, Mega Sceptile looks like it'll be good. Mega Steelix is going to be pretty meh. Anything reliant on weather is unreliable at best, and his Sp. Defense and Speed are still terrible.
Mega Glalie looks usable, which is more than I could ever say about Glalie.
The stats for the Megas are generally very good. Mega Beedrill is very fast, Mega Rayquaza is utterly OP, Mega Sharpedo has decent stats, Mega Gallade has very nice attack, Mega Sableye has okay-ish stats. Otherwise, they're all solid.
Notice how Hoopa has different stats. Supposed mega? It looks okay, and the stats are impressive.
Those "leaks" are wrong, I'd wager, given that Origin Wave / Precipice Blades have different powers, but more importantly Dragin's Ascent has 120 BP when blocked says it is "the most powerful flying-type move", in this case Sky attack would eclipse it by 20 points.
Edit: Also dragon's ascent is a tutor move? Doesn't seem right to me
That's a rather pedantic way of contradicting the fact that these aren't leaks so much as actually probing the in-game data in the demo. So no, these aren't wrong, these are 100% correct. And two unique moves can have different power - Shadow Rush, Roar of Time, and Spacial Rend are all very different moves despite being unique moves of a specific trio. The three moves in this case have different effects in 2v2 battles.
At any rate, Sky Attack does 70 damage average over 2 turns, so technically this is the most powerful one. It's basically a flying type Close Combat.
Quote from: Richard and Blaziken on October 16, 2014, 06:08
Mega Swampert is weaker than Mega Blaziken. I'm just gonna let that absurd comment sink in. Mega Swampert is going to be awful. Slightly more defensive than Swampert at the cost of Leftovers. Less powerful than Life Orb/Choice Band Swampert, and marginally faster than normal Swampert (tying with Bisharp and Breloom of note, and Breloom kills it anyway). Such a huge disappointment. Not to mention the design is awful.
At least I can actually use him in OU
Quote from: Hahex and Oshawott on October 16, 2014, 11:29
At least I can actually use him in OU
But why bother? It's walled by Rotom-W which is on pretty much every team, not to mention Lati@s are both getting buffs. It's weaker than CB Swampert and any Curse set is unviable in OU because it's forced out by Rotom-W. So yeah, you can use it in OU, but it'll be to your detriment :/
Unless Swampert gains Recover in OR/AS, it's not going to be good. Hell even Ludicolo outclasses Mega Swampert as a Swift Swimmer and it can hold Life Orb.
As usual, you are thinking the contrary as I do.
I remember Will telling me "Mega Beedrill's design inspires a defence boost".
65/150/40/15/80/145
40 Defence. 40. Deoxys has found a new rival.
And Lopunny... 65/136/94/54/96/135. Now this is a a real pain to decide. With Jolly, you can outspeed Neutral Nature Base 150, but with Adamant you are in 369 Speed; still outspeeding most things, but revenge killed by Greninja (possibly), Mega Aerodactyl (might be), and Mega Alakazam (yes). I find them very odd, though; the Speed reduction of all Pokémon which got their Speed decreased got gargantuan buffs everywhere else.
Quote from: Lord Raven on October 16, 2014, 09:32
That's a rather pedantic way of contradicting the fact that these aren't leaks so much as actually probing the in-game data in the demo. So no, these aren't wrong, these are 100% correct.
Hey guys, in the code I found that Mega Primal Meganium exists.
Does this make it true? No, fact is no source is "100% correct" and you know that for a fact, so stop disregarding perfectly valid points on the grounds you don't like them.
Quote from: Lord Raven on October 16, 2014, 09:32
And two unique moves can have different power - Shadow Rush, Roar of Time, and Spacial Rend are all very different moves despite being unique moves of a specific trio.
Shadow Rush is Shadow Force, but even so they all had different secondary effects. Your 'leak' says they have no special effects. Furthermore, Kyogre's is literally a spread hydro pump.
Quote from: Lord Raven on October 16, 2014, 09:32
At any rate, Sky Attack does 70 damage average over 2 turns, so technically this is the most powerful one. It's basically a flying type Close Combat.
GF never work things out as "average over two turns" as they use the Power statistic given in game - anyways, with power herb the argument is neutered.
Let's look at more shortcomings of this leak:
-> No new tutor moves - they've literally cut and pasted from BW2
-> Dark Pulse listed as tutor despite being a TM this gen
-> Beedrill is stronger and faster than Salamence, and gets a 30 point SpA boost which is completely against the pattern of mega evolution, and also ignores that GF mention every stat drop.
-> Two gen VI megas are both events, furthermore they're the only events to get megas? Not completely impossible, I know, but adds to the oddities of the 'leak'
Also, have you actually seen what they're claiming the new Hoopa form (http://i.imgur.com/GfY2tVV.png) looks like? It's literally a jumble of assorted digimon sprites.
Edit: Furthermore, the primals stats, the pokemon website only claims they get a boost to their respective attacks, which implies they'd be the biggest boost, yeah? No. P-Groudon gets +50 SpA yet only +30 attack? Same story with P-K, but the other way.
lol it's not that deep
Quote from: SapphireRobin|Omeganium on October 16, 2014, 14:27
Hey guys, in the code I found that Mega Primal Meganium exists.
Does this make it true? No, fact is no source is "100% correct" and you know that for a fact, so stop disregarding perfectly valid points on the grounds you don't like them.
Okay so someone actually goes into the code, finds the base stats for Megas and a whole bunch of facts about moves we already know exist, and you're saying "they're not true they're just rumors." Sounds like someone's just trying to be a contrarian.
You know the source comes from a bunch of people who have figured out how to decrypt Pokemon X and Y right? Your points are nowhere close to valid. They literally contradict a fact.
QuoteShadow Rush is Shadow Force, but even so they all had different secondary effects. Your 'leak' says they have no special effects. Furthermore, Kyogre's is literally a spread hydro pump.
Spread Hydro Pump vs an attack that does more damage to a single opponent. There's a pretty good difference here in their effects. Rayquaza's effect code is probably lowering Defense and Special Defense - which btw was confirmed by many sources (I think outright stated by Gamefreak).
QuoteGF never work things out as "average over two turns" as they use the Power statistic given in game - anyways, with power herb the argument is neutered.
Okay so you're taking their statement very literally as I can see.
QuoteLet's look at more shortcomings of this leak:
*sigh*
Quote-> No new tutor moves - they've literally cut and pasted from BW2
Okay? It just sounds like you don't like this feature.
Quote-> Dark Pulse listed as tutor despite being a TM this gen
Maybe the TM list is different?
Quote-> Beedrill is stronger and faster than Salamence, and gets a 30 point SpA boost which is completely against the pattern of mega evolution, and also ignores that GF mention every stat drop.
Mega Evolutions don't have to follow a set pattern, the game designers can do whatever they want with them. Given that Beedrill is weak as hell to begin with it doesn't surprise me they gave it massive boosts - especially since its defense is so weak to balance things out.
Quote-> Two gen VI megas are both events, furthermore they're the only events to get megas? Not completely impossible, I know, but adds to the oddities of the 'leak'
I doubt they're the only ones - just the ones found in the demo.
QuoteAlso, have you actually seen what they're claiming the new Hoopa form (http://i.imgur.com/GfY2tVV.png) looks like? It's literally a jumble of assorted digimon sprites.
Good thing Hoopa reminds me of a Digimon too
QuoteEdit: Furthermore, the primals stats, the pokemon website only claims they get a boost to their respective attacks, which implies they'd be the biggest boost, yeah? No. P-Groudon gets +50 SpA yet only +30 attack? Same story with P-K, but the other way.
Yes, probably to equalize the SAtk and Atk stats. You just sound like you don't like it.
QuoteEdit: Also dragon's ascent is a tutor move? Doesn't seem right to me
Just saw this. I'm going to take a guess and say that Rayquaza learns Dragon Ascent in the same manner that the starter Pokemon learn their respective Hyper Beam forms. I think it's a Move Tutor in the sense that Meloetta learning her song thing has a Move Tutor associated with it.
Again, you know that these aren't leaks so much as data ripped straight from the demo right?
Muhed are these the same people who leaked Diancie/Hoopa and Volcanion at the start of X and Y?
It's all kicking off over a leak, send help.
I'm okay with that Hoopa, reminds me of a boss from Skyward Sword if I'm honest. Tutor moves yassss, and everything else is good. On further inspection, I am gonna have to wreck OU with Mega Beedrill.
Quote from: Sappy on October 16, 2014, 17:53
Muhed are these the same people who leaked Diancie/Hoopa and Volcanion at the start of X and Y?
Nope but they're the dudes who are behind pokegen iirc
All of these new Megas are great and all
But have any of you heard about Mega Exploud
(http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/arctic-cooling-S361-speakers.png)
I'd like to note - the 3DS has been officially decrypted. I know many, many trustworthy sources that have decrypted a few games, and I can guarantee you that these things found in the demo are indeed correct.
Anyone who is going to abrasively try to question these rumors doesn't have much of a leg to stand on at this point. (In fact, it's been decrypted for about a week now, so I'm actually a little late with this announcement).