ok so the legendary mascot for pokemon z was released, along with some other stuffs about it
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thoughts?
Good, we didn't have enough Dragon/Ground types, or Dragons with quad Ice weaknesses, this is a massive step forward. :|
But eh, it's not bad looking I guess. I don't hate it, I was just hoping for something a little more... something. I dunno. This wasn't it.
So, it's apparently to counter Xerneas and Yveltal, judging by it's ability.
But together X&Y are immune to it's stabs.
Well done game freak :dry:
But in terms of looks, I like it, it just isn't very legendary.
It looks cool, but the typing... why!?!?! :(
I think it's pretty neat looking. Better than the other two...
They just couldn't resist shoving a dragon in. It looks cool but should really be poison or something.
I think it looks awesome and I love the concept.
I'm pretty sad that for all we know right now this is pretty much the last legendary available - it's the last in the dex which brings the total of new Pokemon to 69.
Unless we're going to get more Pokemon added on to the end of the dex as surprises, the range of new Pokemon is absolutely tiny - the smallest yet.
Apparently there's also a distinct lack of postgame, just Mega Mewtwo X/Y (Mega Mewtwo Y has a friggin Sp Attk of 195), Zygarde and a small multiplayer watered-down Safari Zone minigame, plus a very standard battle tower.
Not gonna lie, I'm kind of disappointed by that, I think (or hope) that they'll make up for it with some free DLC Pokemon/Events. After all, GameFreak were doing DLC on handheld consoles in the form of giveaways long before the internet was available on them. The PSS system could be interesting too, no reviewer has really been able to use it in context but it apparently makes up a large part of the fun of the game.
I really like it. so much that I sort of would like to have Z now instead of X/Y. Oh well. Wonder if it'll get another forme.
QuoteUnless we're going to get more Pokemon added on to the end of the dex as surprises, the range of new Pokemon is absolutely tiny - the smallest yet.
Smallest yet, bya grand total of 31, that's not counting any probable secret Mew-esque Pokemon or any other unkown pokemon, but yeah I agree. Maybe the jump to 3D was a bit more resource-consuming than usual, maybe X/Y weren't really meant to come out this early - people have noted the more than usual short generational gap between V and VI. Aren't there supposed to be 20ish Mega Evos? if you count them it brings it up to 90ish~.
I absolutely love Zygarde! I think it looks awesome, very nice design and I'm curious about its' ability. Does that mean that Fairy Aura powers down Fairy type moves when Aura Break is activated, as well as Dark Aura and Dark moves? Clever gamefreak.
I don't see why you're all so bothered about there being 69/70 Pokemon. The graphics, the mega-evos and such, like Ledyba said, must've taken up resources and such. I think they've done a good job trying. Sure, lack of pokemon might suck, but there's a lot of new things like Fairy typing / Mega-evos / Pokemon-Amie that have been added in. They're all wonderful new things that more than make up for the lack of completely new pokemon.
Mega Evos do feel a bit like cheating though, at least with pre-evos/new evos of old Pokemon in previous generations they had a different & distinct look for the most part, Mega evos don't really have that.
Quote from: Ledyba on October 06, 2013, 16:01
I really like it. so much that I sort of would like to have Z now instead of X/Y. Oh well. Wonder if it'll get another forme.
Smallest yet, bya grand total of 31, that's not counting any probable secret Mew-esque Pokemon or any other unkown pokemon, but yeah I agree. Maybe the jump to 3D was a bit more resource-consuming than usual, maybe X/Y weren't really meant to come out this early - people have noted the more than usual short generational gap between V and VI. Aren't there supposed to be 20ish Mega Evos? if you count them it brings it up to 90ish~.
I'm personally thinking the game was rushed. A few reviews mentioned that it felt rushed and it is an unusually short generation gap between 5 and 6. It wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo gave GameFreak a nudge to release the game before Christmas 2013 to boost 3DS sales, hence the simultaneous release and the 2DS announcement (plus the number of Pokemon-themed 3DSXL packages, particularly in Japan).
I don't think it's down to resources, the game is 1.8GB and 3DS carts can reach 8GB, there's massive amounts of room on the 3DS for a truly
HUGE Pokemon game if the time is put in. Something that dwarves every region put together.
A couple of interesting things to note though...I know the hype train for R/S/E remakes has been running for a while now, with evidence being provided in the forms of colour schemes and trainer themes but I have to say this is the most compelling piece yet...:
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And I agree on mega-evos, they don't feel like new Pokemon at all, just a powered up version of their old ones. Evos would have been nice, but it's difficult to keep people satisfied with them.
I really hope it isn't only 60-70 new pokemon.. That's the main part of a new generation to me, the pokemon. So I find a low number of them to be incredibly disappointing, mega-evos seem to be of mostly pokemon I don't even like. This was really shaping up to be a good game, but now I just feel as if the low amount of pokemon is going to leave the games feeling somewhat empty (for me, anyway).
Quote from: JSM on October 06, 2013, 17:24
I really hope it isn't only 60-70 new pokemon.. That's the main part of a new generation to me, the pokemon. So I find a low number of them to be incredibly disappointing, mega-evos seem to be of mostly pokemon I don't even like. This was really shaping up to be a good game, but now I just feel as if the low amount of pokemon is going to leave the games feeling somewhat empty (for me, anyway).
I hate to disappoint but the postgame doesn't look much better either. Someone leaked the name Zygarde along with a bunch of other info before all the other leakers had beaten the E4. He said this:
QuoteHas the weak battle frontier replacement, a weird weak safari zone replacement, and little else. Zygarde is in the NE in a mine and Mewtwo is on the lower right
Not a replacement in the sense that its as good as in Pt, but its a series of battles you can fight in multiple formats where the levels scale, and as you beat more trainers, you get points to buy items. Mad standard. It's like a battle house or something.
Safari Zone is just something that takes your friends list and generates 2-3 different random Pokemon from it of a single type. I only used it once.
The only things we can hope for is:
-When the online opens up on release it's very impressive and some great post-game DLC follows
-The middle Z game is absolutely brilliant and improves on X/Y like BW2 did on B/W
-Not much attention has been paid because work is going on R/S/E remakes
QuoteA few reviews mentioned that it felt rushed
Which ones?
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I don't think it's down to resources, the game is 1.8GB and 3DS carts can reach 8GB, there's massive amounts of room on the 3DS for a truly HUGE Pokemon game if the time is put in. Something that dwarves every region put together.
When I talk about resources, I mean things like staff members and possibly related, time constraints or even budget. Now the series has jumped to 3D, there's probably a lot more work involved than previously, sure Gen 4/5 had 3D in them but not to extent which is presented in X/Y. Perhaps their time and amount of staff wouldn't allow them to design, model, animate and install 100~ish pokemon & old Pokemon by their set time.
QuoteA couple of interesting things to note though...I know the hype train for R/S/E remakes has been running for a while now, with evidence being provided in the forms of colour schemes and trainer themes but I have to say this is the most compelling piece yet...:
Hahaha, awesome.
though they've never been *that* blatant about it. If it's worded like that in game, then wow.
these last few posts are making me question buying the game or not...
it's still getting high marks despite it's issues, so it's still seemingly a good game. it just seems post-game is a damp squib and a lack of new Pokemon (though there's bound to a be a few more event ones.)
Hang on a second. Disappointing post-game? Yet another throwback to a RS remake!
(despite them being my favorite of the series.)
Quote from: Ledyba on October 06, 2013, 17:39
Which ones?
When I talk about resources, I mean things like staff members and possibly related, time constraints or even budget. Now the series has jumped to 3D, there's probably a lot more work involved than previously, sure Gen 4/5 had 3D in them but not to extent which is presented in X/Y. Perhaps their time and amount of staff wouldn't allow them to design, model, animate and install 100~ish pokemon & old Pokemon by their set time.
Hahaha, awesome.
though they've never been *that* blatant about it. If it's worded like that in game, then wow.
If you go to metacritic you'll find every review of the game so far.
A few of them mentioned that the lack of 3D made the game feel rushed and that there were low framerate issues when using the stereoscopic camera in battle, one review even mentioned that it seemed odd GF would do this when they are known for taking a little longer to add extra polish to the game.
I think if we're talking about resources in a set time...that's basically the same as being rushed anyway. I get the feeling that GF could have waited an extra year or so before announcing this.
I've also heard that GF got a big boost to their team a few gens ago and that we have two teams working on different things at the same time, but I'm not sure if this is true or really what it would mean for the games.
I do believe it has been rushed for a Christmas release though. Considering some leaks from way back in July/August got some of the postgame correct, I wonder if they're working on extra stuff now.
On the positive side, the game is much longer this time I've heard. Highest leveled E4 yet at late 60s. I'm also glad that Ghost got some attention this gen too.
I'll be interested to see what the PSS is like though, GameFreak have really stressed it as being an important feature that changes how the game is played but no review copy will have been able to use it as it relies on everyone collectively playing Pokemon while connected to the internet.
I think I read the review you mentioned. Disappointing, but as you said the main game is getting praise.
I had a look at a picture list of all the new (known) pokemon, and wow, compared to older generations it does seem almost half a list. I like a lot of them, but one of the thrills of a new pokemon game were finding and testing new mon. Even for someone like me who looked at them before getting the games it was always still fun.
In that regard, disappointing. :<
I like the look of the Zygarde and it's cool that it WAS a snake afterall, but it is.. weird.. that Xerneas and Yveltal each are immune to one of its STABs.
I'd care a lot less about the tiny number of new Pokémon if I actually liked more of them ^^; I love Goomy and like Chespin (though less as it evolves), Klekfi, and.. the legendaries? Inkay and Burgite are kinda sweet but I don't like their evolutions. The others are all either really forgettable or really ugly and the Megavolutions don't add enough to really count as new Pokémon, in my opinion, which is a shame cause I'm SO hyped for the game. At least stuff from other generations is still around.
Quote from: Ledyba on October 06, 2013, 18:20
I think I read the review you mentioned. Disappointing, but as you said the main game is getting praise.
I had a look at a picture list of all the new (known) pokemon, and wow, compared to older generations it does seem almost half a list. I like a lot of them, but one of the thrills of a new pokemon game were finding and testing new mon. Even for someone like me who looked at them before getting the games it was always still fun.
In that regard, disappointing. :<
Yeah, I think the worst part is the lack of postgame. I can take less Pokemon with a large postgame, and I can accept low postgame with a large amount of Pokemon...but the two together will be short-lived. I'll play it and enjoy it, but it probably won't take me as long to get bored (depending on the region/online features). I do actually like a lot of the new Pokemon and it's going to be tough deciding who stays in the 6 and who gets boxed.
I mean, Masuda has said himself that there will be a lot of surprises that people will find when they play together, so in that sense - there may be stuff that nobody with an early copy of the game has found yet. There is apparently a cave in the ocean with absolutely nothing in it and very weird music called 'sea spirit cave' or something.
Also the legendary birds from Gen I are flying around too, apparently. I think we'll just have to wait and see.
A cool surprise would be an update maybe a week or month after the game is released. A DLC pack with an after game +new pokemon and gyms before chrimbo would be delicious
Well Masuda is very much against paid DLC so whatever comes out will have to be free.
aww man im not pleased with what im reading!!!
though in regards to dlc i figure they would be free even without masudas stance. might be a little unfair to those without money to burn if you had to pay for say new pokemon or towns or anything. thats only if it happens though.
still kinda :/ about the supposed lack of postgame though rrrrr...
also, this guy is cool, but dragon?? really?? is dragon/x types the new fire/fighting?? lmao
mm mm mm maybe z will be a little more exciting...
Quote from: sylar on October 11, 2013, 04:35
also, this guy is cool, but dragon?? really?? is dragon/x types the new fire/fighting?? lmao
I think along with fairy balancing dragon,they're trying to make dragon a more common type. I mean, outside of Legendaries we have like 7 Dragons (fully evolved). Granted, there's like a million legendary dragons, but still...
But I like dragons, so I'm okay with them adding more (I mean, look at Hoenn,
That added three, all of which are in my top 5 dragons right now!)
So the third Pokémon was announced.
I am now the happiest man on Earth when a third counterpart to the first two were announced. I guess Zygarde will get its own movie, its own game, its own story, all in the tentative Pokémon Z version.
I love the new design of this legendary, just looks more like "Assuming Direct Control".