This one's for those who like Blaziken or infenape and hate the other. Here's where you can argue over who's better. NO trolling! I'm on team blaziken, and may the fan war start!
Blaziken @Life orb/ Focus sash
Speed boost
Flare Blitz
Protect
Swords dance
Hi jump kick
Nuf said.
Erm... Fighting wise Blaziken is the best, there's not really a competition... Speed boost is just to good for a little chimp to beat ;D
Yeah, that's it.
I'm going to ruffle some feathers here: I don't like either of them because they are ugly and weird but if I had to pick one over the other I'd pick Blaziken because he looks... bigger and Torchic is cuter. However I don't think either of them look like final evolutions.
I'm talking not just about appearence, about usability, move pool, stats, the latter
Well, before getting Speed Boost, Blaziken was worst due to his poor speed stat, only rivalling mamoswine. Infernape was better at this time because of a high speed and great movepool to match. With speed boost, as I've said, there is no competition in battling terms.
Design, I don't prefer either, I don't really like either that much. But Blaziken does look a little more finished than Infernape does.
But Blaziken was my first starter, so he wins for sure ;D
Blaziken wins because he's just that awesome. This is turning into an infernape trashing party
Infernape SUCKS. his movepool isn't too great and hes a smelly ape dumb enough to set his head on fire. and another thing I hate is that THEY ARE STILL USING FIRE/FIGHTING TYPES IN THE 4TH FRICKING GENERATION! it sucks and everyone knows it. Blaziken was cool. he did it first.
Quote from: Salado on July 23, 2013, 20:26
Infernape SUCKS. his movepool isn't too great and hes a smelly ape dumb enough to set his head on fire. and another thing I hate is that THEY ARE STILL USING FIRE/FIGHTING TYPES IN THE 4TH FRICKING GENERATION! it sucks and everyone knows it. Blaziken was cool. he did it first.
I agree with this, except Infernapes movepool is actually quite good. He learns Dark, Grass, Fire, Fighting, Rock, Ground, Normal, Bug & Poison type moves. That's quite a lot
Edit: I missed Flying
Anyone else want to trash infernape?
Fine but he still lacks origionality
Quote from: Salado on July 23, 2013, 20:30
Fine but he still lacks origionality
Tell this to Emboar. 2 was bad enough, but THREE!!!
Just imagine if ShinyInfernape2000 found this topic....
Quote from: ShinyBlaziken2000 on July 23, 2013, 20:32
Just imagine if ShinyInfernape2000 found this topic....
He doesn't even like Infernape is the thing, he was literally just trolling :tongue2:
Exactly my point, he wouldn't back up infernape, he'd just troll me and everyone else
Quote from: ShinyBlaziken2000 on July 23, 2013, 20:19
I'm talking not just about appearence, about usability, move pool, stats, the latter
I've never even attempted to use either of them because compared to the alternatives they are hideous and I just never fancied it so I can't comment on usability because I know nothing about it :-)
Well ok then
Blaziken has been my bro ever since I evolved my first Combusken atop Mt. Chimney. I love the way he looks, I love his power, I love his typing, I love his movepool... I love everything about him. I was there through third gen when he had fans simply because they had him in R/S/E, I was there when they all abandoned him in fourth gen when people flocked to the abomination pokemon. And now I've been here through 5th gen when people have jumped back on the bandwagon just because Blaziken got Speed Boost. Well I'll tell you who used him in 4th gen OU battles. This guy right here.
To be entirely fair, Infernape has a good movepool. It's got practically every type of move, both boosting moves and even a recovery move (not that it matters, Infernape's OHKOd by practically anything), but it's really not a good Pokemon in this metagame, and I find that /hilarious/. Rain cripples one of his STABs, while the other is easily resisted. It needs sun support, which is nearly impossible to keep up in OU if you're against an opponent with a well structured Rain team.
No matter where the future takes Blaziken, I'll be there.
Infernape is like a magikarp compeared to blaziken in the metagame.
I am probably the first to say this, but Infernape is probably my favorite out of the two. This isn't just because he was my first Pokemon to reach level 100.
Design: He is a karate monkey with FIRE as hair. I don't understand how people can hate that.
Movepool: He gets Fire, Fighting, Dark, Grass, Normal, Psychic, Poison, Steel, Rock, Ground, Rock, Ghost, Bug and Electric. Wow.
Ability: Blaze is a good ability when paired with a Focus Sash, mainly due to Infernape's high speed. It can survive with Focus Sash then land a powerful fire type move. Iron Fist is decent, but not as good as Blaze. Infernape can learn Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Mach Punch and Close Combat of course.
Strengths and Weaknesses: With the movepool, Infernape has moves that could be strong against every type. A Close Combat is capable of easily taking out a Blissey or one of the highly defense steel types.
Compared with Blaziken: Blaziken was pretty bad before Speed Boost was introduced as it's dream world ability. If it didn't have that ability, Infernape would Earthquake that b***h. Infernape's high speed and balanced Attack and Sp Attack stats allow you to train it pretty much any way you want. It is a fast, physical powerhouse that I have gotten more than a few sweeps with in my time.
But can it take a hit? No it cannot. - You need a focus sash for it to survive any kind of powerful move.
Quote from: Wolstenholme on July 28, 2013, 02:52
But can it take a hit? No it cannot. - You need a focus sash for it to survive any kind of powerful move.
That is true, but few Pokemon outmatch Infernape's base speed stat. I agree that focus sash is one of the best items for Infernape. Infernape can use Swords Dance, get hit, survive and then use the doubled attack to sweep. Although Flare Blitz is flat out suicide. Infernape is designed to attack with huge power before the opponent can attack.
And please excuse the massive signature. I have no idea how to put an image into it.
It's just too bad DerpApe's Focus Sash will be broken by Stealth Rock and he'll be OHKOd regardless.
Quote from: Richard and Blaziken on July 24, 2013, 03:49
Blaziken has been my bro ever since I evolved my first Combusken atop Mt. Chimney. I love the way he looks, I love his power, I love his typing, I love his movepool... I love everything about him. I was there through third gen when he had fans simply because they had him in R/S/E, I was there when they all abandoned him in fourth gen when people flocked to the abomination pokemon. And now I've been here through 5th gen when people have jumped back on the bandwagon just because Blaziken got Speed Boost. Well I'll tell you who used him in 4th gen OU battles. This guy right here.
To be entirely fair, Infernape has a good movepool. It's got practically every type of move, both boosting moves and even a recovery move (not that it matters, Infernape's OHKOd by practically anything), but it's really not a good Pokemon in this metagame, and I find that /hilarious/. Rain cripples one of his STABs, while the other is easily resisted. It needs sun support, which is nearly impossible to keep up in OU if you're against an opponent with a well structured Rain team.
No matter where the future takes Blaziken, I'll be there.
I have gotten an Infernape sweep against a rain team before, mainly because Infernape knew Wild Charge and Grass Knot. I outsped the Pokemon with swift swim with a bit of help though, a Ninjask with Speed Boost and baton pass.
Quote from: TheAlmightyEmboar on July 29, 2013, 07:26
I have gotten an Infernape sweep against a rain team before, mainly because Infernape knew Wild Charge and Grass Knot. I outsped the Pokemon with swift swim with a bit of help though, a Ninjask with Speed Boost and baton pass.
Infernape doesn't learn Wild Charge.
Quote from: Richard and Blaziken on July 29, 2013, 08:39
Infernape doesn't learn Wild Charge.
My bad, I meant to say Thunder Punch. I'm getting it confused with Emboar.
Defeating a rain team with ThunderPunch and Grass Knot is really more indicative of a bad opponent than of Infernape being good vs. rain teams. Jellicent is not 1HKOd by ThunderPunch and not even 2HKOd by it if you're going with Blaze, and OHKOs back with Scald. Rotom-W can take any of Infernape's moves and KO back with Hydro Pump. Latias laughs at everything Infernape does and KOs back with anything. Rain severely cripples Infernape was my point, as Flare Blitz and Fire Blast no longer have the damage they need to hurt things, and Fighting is easily resisted by such Pokemon as Latias, Reuniclus, Toxicroak, Dragonite, etc.
You just need to ask yourself...which came first, the chicken or the ape? *shot*
Infernape is nothing like what it was 4th Gen. Back then, you could afford to give him a Focus Sash and SR. Now, he needs a Life Orb to even put up with other sweepers. Look at it's offensive stats: 104 for Attack and Sp. Attack? That is nothing compared to beasts like Terrakion, Conkeldurr, Landorus I and T, Tyranitar, Dragonite, Breloom, Salamence, even Darmanitan. In order, those are 129, 140, 125, 145, 135, 135, 120, 135, 140. Those stats are a fair way superior to Infernape's stats. Salamence has a great Sp. Attack stat to boot too. Great coverage, right? Not all that helpful. It's like Electivire, it has coverage but very little power behind it. When you have Starmie, Politoed, Thundurus-T, Tornadus, Vaporeon, Alakazam, Salamence, Dragonite (Multiscale laughs at HP Ice) and Rotom-W around plus a whole host of others like these, Infernape just won't be able to perform well. Rain cripples it quite largely, Sand isn't helpful, Sun isn't bad but Infernape won't find a spot on those teams when you need Ninetales/Obligatory Fire resist/Spinner/Dragon/Chlorophyll sweeper/Trapper to function well.
Blaziken...Uber. Enough said. Hi Jump Kick and Speed Boost (plus 120 base Attack!) is more than enough to put Infernape out of it's misery.
I kind of wish Blaziken hadn't got speed boost, because now I can't use him as much :(
But yeah, competitively there isn't a competition. Blaziken is better.
The only way Infernape could be better is in design, but most people prefer Blazikens anyway.
And Blaziken is from Hoenn, so he wins ;D
Wow, you just beat the crap out of inderpape you two. I love it.
Plus, the fact that infernape's defense and HP stats are laughable at best and at worst are some of the worst of a final evolution in the OU tier and maybe even the meta game!
Actually, Blazikens defence stats are lower than Infernape (by 1 base stat point each...) although his HP is a little higher...
But Blaziken doesn't need his defences, because he's always going first ;D
Yeah, with attack and speed stats like blaziken's, defense is for wimps.
Yeah, his speed stat isn't great but it's at x1.5 after a turn, so it doesn't really matter :tongue2:
You can just use protect turn 1. And then HJK and then HJK and then Flare Blitz and then HJK...
my flow chart of uber blaziken:
protect
Swords Dance
Obliterate everything
Except:
Deoxys (extremespeed) (4 formes)
Rayquaza (extremespeed)
Arceus (extremespeed) (17 (soon 18) formes)
Or if HJK misses twice...
Or if you get killed in the turn you use swords dance...
Alright, point taken
Quote from: Робин on July 29, 2013, 16:38
Except:
Deoxys (extremespeed) (4 formes)
Rayquaza (extremespeed)
Arceus (extremespeed) (17 (soon 18) formes)
Or if HJK misses twice...
Or if you get killed in the turn you use swords dance...
Deoxys is OHKOd by Flare Blitz and possibly Hi Jump Kick. So, we need calcs from you to prove how Deoxys could ever OHKO Blaziken. Rayquaza can't OHKO. None of the Arceus can OHKO either. All types are OHKOd/2HKOd by one of it's STABs. The ones that are 2HKOd can't 2HKO with Extremespeed. So...
Quote from: Spriter SR|XL on July 29, 2013, 19:05
Deoxys is OHKOd by Flare Blitz and possibly Hi Jump Kick. So, we need calcs from you to prove how Deoxys could ever OHKO Blaziken. Rayquaza can't OHKO. None of the Arceus can OHKO either. All types are OHKOd/2HKOd by one of it's STABs. The ones that are 2HKOd can't 2HKO with Extremespeed. So...
I didn't say they could OHKO, I was saying he can be stopped, and there are quite a lot of strong priority moves. Also, deoxys A can outspend Blaziken after 1 speed boost, and OHKO with Psycho boost (if specially offensive) or do ~80% when physically offensive with Extremespeed. This means Blaziken has 2 moves (he needs life orb equipped in ubers, realistically) left before he dies from recoil.
^But then your Deoxys is still dead. Besides:
252 Atk Adamant Blaziken HJK vs 0/0 Naive Deoxys-N = 102.9% - 121.16%
252 Atk Adamant Deoxys-N Extremespeed V 0/0 Adamant Blaziken = 61.79% - 73.09%
You don't even need to risk Flare Blitz death. And the accuracy of HJK is about 90? That's not gonna miss very often.
Arceus calcs, assuming LO, Adamant and Normal type:
Extremespeed vs 0/0 Adamant Blaziken = 63.79% - 75.42%
I'd say that from those, Rayquaza won't do anything like that either.
^i was using Deoxys-A, for the 80%, sorry should've specified.
The point is, Deoxys-A could do this:
Turn-1
-> Use extremespeed, do >50% (that's all that matters)
-> Blaziken uses xxxx, deoxys holds on with focus sash
Turn-2
-> Use extremespeed, Blaziken is KFB.
Deoxys can't be assumed to be holding Focus Sash, no one's sending Blaziken out on turn 1, and no one is leading with (or hell, even using) Deoxys-A, not with Scarf Genesect on 101% of every Uber team.
Quote from: Richard and Blaziken on July 30, 2013, 00:37
Deoxys can't be assumed to be holding Focus Sash, no one's sending Blaziken out on turn 1, and no one is leading with (or hell, even using) Deoxys-A, not with Scarf Genesect on 101% of every Uber team.
I use deoxys-A in every match. And normally as a lead. (I like to choose obscure leads)
But anyway, I'm still on Blazikens side, because 'ape isn't doing much in Ubers
at all.
I'm surprised derpape is OU
He could possibly manage in LC :tongue2:
Really? That's... strange, really. Genesect is U-Turning on you and if they've got Espeon to send in, your lead is doing absolutely nothing. I'd prefer Deo-E as a hazard lead, but really all of the Deoxys forms are pretty much crap in the current Uber metagame.
The sad truth, Blaziken still obliterates it.
Not true, Psycho Boost OHKOs Blaziken no matter what. And most offensive deoxys-A run it.
I'm going to take a non-competitive stance here. You see, overall, I prefer gen 3 to gen 4. Gen 3 was the generation I started with, so there is that. Plus, Blaziken means a lot to me for... reasons. Reasons that I really cannot be bothered explaining right now. Also, I prefer Blaziken's design to Infernape's, and the fact is that Blaziken was the first. So Team Blaziken all the way.
Alright, anyone else remember this:
Blaziken @Life orb
Adament
Speed Boost
4hp/252Atk/252/spe
Protect
Swords Dance
Flare Blitz
High Jump Kick
In my opinion, Blaziken will always be better because he was my first Pokemon, and his deisgn is awesome too. But I did enjoy a playthrough on Platinum with Infernape, named Chimpchamp.
I thought infernapes design was cool, love torchics design though. At the moment i like blazekins megaform but i can't compare till i see infernapes.
That's if derpape gets one.
He probably will, it would be unfair on the other starters
So, what's you stand point? And explain.
So you are saying thy EVERY starter deserves a Megalution?
I don't think they'll all get one. Charizard is obvious for one, and if it doesn't get one, I'll be shocked. I'd say the most likely ones are Charizard, Blastoise, Feraligatr, Sceptile, Torterra. I don't think 5th gen starters will even get one, and even having this many and Blaziken seems a bit much.
I think empoleon needs a buff in UU.
We need a MegaMeganium as well! Just for the awesome name!
Infernape 4ever.
Competitive battling is a shallow argument in favour of either Pokémon considering everyone still loved the hell out of Blaziken despite it being bumped to UU by Infernape in Gen IV. And whether you love a particular design is all subjective anyway. So this can hardly be called a fan war, because there's absolutely nothing to be warring over because Blaziken is meaningless.
^I'd actually agree... except I had to be the sole person arguing for Blaziken back in 4th gen when the main argument was about how much better the abomination was. So yeah, now that Blaziken has the tools and will only be getting better next generation, I kinda like to talk about it.
However! I think this topic is already played out? I mean, I see no point in continuing it at this point. We all know Blaziken is better in terms of CB, and it's then down to personal taste; Do you like Blaziken, or do you like things made of vomit? :3
Oh dear... you sir, are a wording genius. I like things made of vomit because I am made of vomit and I do love myself very much.
Quote from: Richard and Blaziken on September 01, 2013, 09:03
^I'd actually agree... except I had to be the sole person arguing for Blaziken back in 4th gen when the main argument was about how much better the abomination was. So yeah, now that Blaziken has the tools and will only be getting better next generation, I kinda like to talk about it.
However! I think this topic is already played out? I mean, I see no point in continuing it at this point. We all know Blaziken is better in terms of CB, and it's then down to personal taste; Do you like Blaziken, or do you like things made of vomit? :3
Back then I liked Darkrai, but about late 2010, I learned about how awesome Blaziken is.
Yes, the topic has played out. However, some
ignorant infernape fan will come along and start it back up, so I won't lock it.
Quote from: Richard and Blaziken on September 01, 2013, 09:03
^I'd actually agree... except I had to be the sole person arguing for Blaziken back in 4th gen when the main argument was about how much better the abomination was. So yeah, now that Blaziken has the tools and will only be getting better next generation, I kinda like to talk about it.
You may have been the only person arguing for the use of Blaziken in OU, but you were certainly not the only person arguing for its usefulness in UU. People didn't just stop using/liking it because Infernape was in a higher tier. That would be like saying that no one will use Infernape in OU now because Blaziken has been banned from that tier. Pokémon continue to be liked and be useful in their respective environments.