Leave the moderating to the moderators, kids.
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To be honest, this place practically romanticizes personality disorders so don't let yours hold you back, the name master.
Not from what i've seen, no it doesn't. He shouldn't let them hold him back, however the site doesn't really romanticize personality disorders, otherwise I need that new pair of glasses more than I thought.
Well I've learned something here today. I bet the forums would have been a blast back in 2006 if the Autism spectrum was the trendy thing, people would have been bragging about being at a higher quotient than everyone else.
They should definitely read and understand the rules but it's indicative of a bigger problem here that we're not going to solve by hammering the rules into people. I'd go as far as to say this site needs to radically change as a priority if we want to stop this happening. This wouldn't be as big of a deal if the site and community was bigger and stronger.
I always feel a little awkward when people use mental illness as an excuse for being rowdy but I suppose that's my own internalised ableism or what have you. I have ASD and a few personality disorders that made me pretty goddamn terrible around here for years. Like Liz said I'd break rules like it was my job; I still talk to mods now who outright go "yeah man you were one of the worst members for a long time" and I can't take offence to it because yeah I was a mess. I think the thing is I grew up? And also people learned how to deal with me. I have an odd way of joking around and I'm generally pretty abrasive and I guess "intimidating" but the thing is like...Even though I am a massive autist and I do have hella personality disorders and generally I am still A Big Mess, I still try to be accommodating so I'm easier to deal with? I don't expect everyone to have a degree in Dealing With The Mentally Ill Jerks Online. I dunno what I'm trying to say here I am tired.Just try? To work with people? Using mental illness as a reason to break rules is all fine and good but honestly you'd have an easier time not using it as a reason to be weird about everything. Work with people and have people work with you so we know how to make things easier for you and you don't frustrate people and end up getting a bad rep.
*stands with a large board in front of number 10 downing street* PUK ANIME PUK ANIME PUK ANIME PUK ANIin all seriousness, what about the kind of points system you sometimes see on forums thats like... 1 point for breaking the three word rule, dual posting that escalates etc and then u get to like 10 points for a 48 hour ban, 20 for a week long ban, 30 for a month, 40 a year and 50 lifetime (i think we'd shrink that down someone committing that many offences probably shouldn't be about past the 30 point idk)i also remember back when i was Wee And Worse At Reading Comprehension (i literally had no idea abt the three word rule like?? three word rule??? i should be able to make posts with three words then??? but no it was four words) and the thing that really helped was when iceduck dropped me a wee correcting message and because he'd initiated and it was private and amicable i felt like i was able to go 'what does that actually mean???' and get some clarification. i think there's something to be said for everyone kind of being split a little like good cop bad cop so like u have a few people being harsh and showing u how it's done and another few being welcoming and indulgent bc in my case that was really helpful for integrating me.
They eventually leave cos to them everyone keeps yelling at them for no reason" and im worried The Name Master is gonna go this way.
how do you go about changing this, logistically though? this is the Unspoken Problem im hedging around.
This site needs to be completely re-hauled and restructured so that the community actually drives the content of the site instead of generating it FOR the site.
Or are you going to post it on Reddit where you have a likelihood it will end up on a well-visted subreddit's wiki, viewed by thousands, maintained by others and referenced all over related subreddits in future threads where you can be quickly and properly credited for your work directly to your Reddit account?
Joeno has said before that if users want the site to change then they should do the work creating the content, but who's site is this really?
Elect a handful of active individuals to approve inbound content and let the community generate the rest, get a familiar, well-documented CMS in place so the moderators don't need to think about what's happening in the background;
do we really need users to waste time manually scraping together datasheets of stats and hold items just so it officially belongs to whoever is in charge of PKMN.NET?
Forget about the content. Do away with it.
Never going to happen. If we were to do that, we might as well close up shop. Why come here for just forums when there's plenty of others out there? Without the Name Rater (and I acknowledge that needs to be taken care of) we probably wouldn't have gotten any new members for years. This is probably going to sound pathetic to most of you, but I'd also feel I'd be betraying everyone who'd put the work into the site, not to mention throwing away their work. At best, it'd be the situation you're saying now - having it archived for people to do whatever they want to do with it.For me then - to be honest, first of all, when these topics come up and the arguments occur about sometimes the flimsier things, and the tendency of the discussion usually feels like "throw away everything you've done and worked on", my instinct is to close the forums. It's a hassle to keep up, most of what comes out of it is a problem and when I need to deal with it, it's mostly a headache. I'd hand it over, but I can't say that's an option. I am, at least, considering having a stripped down forums mostly to serve the site bits that need it. After all, there are plenty of other places online to talk about these things, most more active than others.
Cards could work, but that's something where I think we need to think of a bigger redesign to make that work. Having that be discoverable is tough, but it's the one unique edge we've got.
Can you explain what you mean by this? Content of the site is what goes up on the site, it seems like semantics.
For what it's worth, most of the tools are there, but nobody has ever really come to me with a reasonable attempt to learn how things work and what to do.
But with that argument, there's no point putting anything on the site in the first place, so why go on about content on here?
Get me the right people (and excuse me for having doubts about some due to past experiences) and this is a matter of me changing some numbers around.The CMS is all handwritten (and the database near-impossible to port) and support most of these things already. Otherwise I can edit them in, I'd be happy to.
And Wordpress? Biggest security hole on the internet at the moment. Absolute, complete no way to that, ever.
Never going to happen. If we were to do that, we might as well close up shop. Why come here for just forums when there's plenty of others out there? Without the Name Rater (and I acknowledge that needs to be taken care of) we probably wouldn't have gotten any new members for years.
This is probably going to sound pathetic to most of you, but I'd also feel I'd be betraying everyone who'd put the work into the site, not to mention throwing away their work. At best, it'd be the situation you're saying now - having it archived for people to do whatever they want to do with it.
For me then - to be honest, first of all, when these topics come up and the arguments occur about sometimes the flimsier things, and the tendency of the discussion usually feels like "throw away everything you've done and worked on", my instinct is to close the forums. It's a hassle to keep up, most of what comes out of it is a problem and when I need to deal with it, it's mostly a headache. I'd hand it over, but I can't say that's an option. I am, at least, considering having a stripped down forums mostly to serve the site bits that need it. After all, there are plenty of other places online to talk about these things, most more active than others.
The fun part for me is in the tech work - getting things running and fixing things. I probably should do a layout overhaul at some point (but without a decent UX designer, it's difficult to get that right). Saying it's a 2007 layout... sort of doesn't match the feeling I get from every other site out there, but there's some changes we can make for mobile friendliness. I have to balance multiple needs there, though, so it's not as easily done.Beyond that, this is a small portfolio piece for me, and something I want to expand. We have our own Pokedex because that's where a lot of the interest is for me, tracking data and expanding it.
You're acting like the site that YOU made is someone else's responsibility to maintain. It's your job to engage users, not for the users to have to learn how you do things and take time out of their day to keep your website running.
With all due respect to your coding skill, is your handwritten CMS something that people will actually want to use to publish content to the site after a hard day at work/schoo?
Are you able to detail these plans at all?
Can I ask why you can't hand it over to someone else?
I've seen videogame fansites with working forums pop up overnight days after a game is announced on places like Reddit and 4chan. These sites are normally deployed using some kind of new, experimental JavaScript framework on top of an LAMP stack hosted on AWS or something with the admin only having a marginal technical skills; but because it's new, flashy and built with web 2.0 design principles in mind, people flock to it and use it until something else comes along.I'm not saying that this is a good idea at all for a number of reasons (Security and stability first and foremost), but this is basically our competition. The users of these sites don't care about the backend stuff; they see a flashy, minimally designed site with the bare minimum of content and functionality they need and flock to it because it's the first and looks the best.
On top of this Joeno, I'd like to know what you think the future of this place is or what plans you have. If you share your vision for the site then maybe we can work with it.