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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2012, 22:37 »
Definitely looking forward to FIFA with all the new bits they've added on like training games.

Using the 'Tikki Taka' style of play with someone like Wycombe will be a lot of fun =]

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3) This time last year they were in the Premier League
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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2012, 20:11 »
I think Southampton will go down, purely on the unfounded basis that Championship winners are notorious for it.

Simply because they are a tad more overconfident of success whereas Championship runners-up and Play-off winners are a bit more 'breath-of-fresh-airy' and naive to the Premier League style.

I mean Norwich last season got like 2 clean sheets all season because they spent most of their time attacking - and they survived the League just fine n' dandy.

I really hope Man City bring in a big signing soon... if they're gonna buy the title again this season, they better do it in style. Otherwise, I think its Man U's to lose.

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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2012, 22:51 »
I really hope Man City bring in a big signing soon... if they're gonna buy the title again this season, they better do it in style. Otherwise, I think its Man U's to lose.

I don't even think Man City need to buy much to win the title. Aguero having settled should be incredible this season (I'm backing him for Golden Boot), Balotelli should hopefully get more game time and they've got a great balance. If they bought better RBs and LBs then they would be fine. Plus Man Utd really haven't improved on their main weakness (still think they should go for M'Vila)

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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2012, 23:05 »
^I really hope Man United don't win the title again. They've dominated it for far too long and it's about time another team stepped up to the plate really. Also the drop zone will be Wigan, Southampton and Reading, in my opinion.
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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2012, 09:57 »
It's Man City's time to be top dog in the Premier League now I feel. They've got the resources. Whether or not you agree that they bought the title last season or not, they've got a squad that will be the English Barcelona.
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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2012, 16:31 »
Well it's just the fact that there's these FIFA Fair Financial Play rules coming into force for this season saying you can only spend as much as you make. I'm not sure it really applies to this summer or not but that has to count for something?

Janurary might be a tame affair this time round.

City obviously got in at the right time, ensuring they used their vast wealth to accumulate trophy winnings. But Man U have the greater infrastructure and fan base already in place, so no doubt this will all go down to the wire again.

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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2012, 21:05 »
Man United might have to work on the half a billion pounds worth of debt they have. It amazes me that they haven't been called up on it yet.
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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2012, 22:15 »
I said the exact same thing on Facebook. Because Portsmouth go £20m under and will be liquidated if their remaining four senior players don't leave, yet Man United have all this debt yet aren't facing administration.

Portsmouth couldn't pay the rent/mortgage on Fratton Park, and their expenditure was more than that of their income, resulting in losses.

Man United on the other hand already owns Old Trafford outright, and the money made from gate receipts and so on already pays for the bills on the ground and the player wages, resulting in them being left in their start of season bank balance or with a tiny profit.

But even so, with debts of that size, something should be done. But I don't think the richest of richest Arab Oil Sheiks will want to take on £500m of debt and write it off.

If another Premier League clubs goes into administration in the next ten years, it'll be the Villa. Their losses over the last year are unbelievable Jeff.
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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2012, 22:52 »
It's quite simple really; you treat football clubs like businesses, which is all they are really these days. Manchester United can service and finance the debt they have, which is mainly down to the Glaziers purchase of the club, because of the turnover they have and the assets they own as a global business. They can afford to have that kind of a debt, because if the worse happened and they couldn't afford it one day, they'd find a way of finding that finance.

Portsmouth were ruined by an FA Cup run and an attempt to go further without having the groundworks to build upon; think of putting bricks on top of a house of cards foundation. They simply had no way of maintaining the kind of debt they were willingly putting themselves into, without making the top four.

Simply put; Portsmouth couldn't service that kind of debt, Manchester United can. Doesn't matter how much the debt is, all that matters is whether they can sustain it and.. well.. Portsmouth can't.

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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2012, 22:55 »
It'll be interesting to see what happens when the Financial Fair Play rules come into effect in the 2013/2014 season.
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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2012, 22:58 »
It'll be interesting to see what happens when the Financial Fair Play rules come into effect in the 2013/2014 season.

Chelsea will have to sell half their squad and Man City will be able to attract the likes of Gareth Barry, Elano and Bernando Corradi once again! :D

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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2012, 23:00 »
Thank God for Graham Carr. We won't have to worry about any of that <3

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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2012, 23:07 »
It'll be interesting to see what happens when the Financial Fair Play rules come into effect in the 2013/2014 season.

It's a ridiculous rule that's already getting loopholes found in it through sponsorship. All that it will do is prevent teams becoming overnight powerhouses, but they'll still find a way to break through. Manchester United, as much as it pains me to say it, are far too big a franchise and a brand to ever go under, no matter who lines up to buy them; even then, the debt isn't owned by Manchester United from what I know, the interest is paid though by them. They've not had an owner plough millions into the club without a return - only a soul sold to Sky TV but that's another story for another day - which is what the Financial Fair Play ruling would prevent.

Putting a cap on wages would be the fairest and most important way to go. The money involved in football now is utterly absurd and, should it not stop rising, then when the inevitable bottom falls out of the market, there will be a lot of lives ruined.

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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2012, 23:28 »
Putting a cap on wages would be the fairest and most important way to go. The money involved in football now is utterly absurd and, should it not stop rising, then when the inevitable bottom falls out of the market, there will be a lot of lives ruined.

It's a shame really that this would probably never get put into place. Clubs with richer owners would generally appeal against it because that increased amount of money gives them a distinct advantage in the transfer market. There's too much focus on money, the commercial aspect is getting too heavy but will also continue to grow as it stands =/

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Re: Football/Soccer 2012/2013 Season Thread
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2012, 23:56 »
It's a shame really that this would probably never get put into place. Clubs with richer owners would generally appeal against it because that increased amount of money gives them a distinct advantage in the transfer market. There's too much focus on money, the commercial aspect is getting too heavy but will also continue to grow as it stands =/
This would be a thing you'd have to gently phase into the game. Otherwise the likes of Ronaldo and Messi will suddenly find themselves in debt and they'll probably sue or something... But I'm sure, when the fans (sorry, I mean consumers) have had enough of this nonesense, I really hope that that kind of drastic measure will be taken.

I've always thought of football as a casino rather than a business. At the end of the day, results matter and performances on the pitch are not always clear cut and football itself is not a closed system, you know, anything can happen. Outside influences or whatever, chief execs need to realise that they're dealing with an extremely volatile system that can easily come back and bite them on the hand that's feeding this game.

I predict the fans will begin to have more of a say over the next ten years.