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gengarite banned...again?
« on: August 23, 2014, 02:55 »
,,, so things are getting banned from ubers now? thats cute

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Re: gengarite banned...again?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2014, 03:07 »
from what I've heard about it if it can guarantee at least 2 KOs then yeah it's pretty OP tbf

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Re: gengarite banned...again?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2014, 03:11 »
its op as hell
but I mean
banning from ubers????!?!!?,!!?!

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Re: gengarite banned...again?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2014, 03:30 »
This isn't the first time something has been banned from Ubers. Moody is a prime example of something uncompetitive that was banned from Ubers last gen. Uber has shifted from being "just a banlist" to a tier, and while it is not a tier that aims to maintain balance, things that are uncompetitive by nature are banned.

Mega Gengar is one of those things. With the moveset of Perish Song, Protect, Substitute and Destiny Bond, it chooses what it kills, and usually nets at least 2 kills per game. Perish Song, Protect, Substitute, switch, bam, they're dead. You can repeat this cycle again if you're healthy enough, and if not, just Destiny Bond for your second kill. They only have that initial turn that you use Perish Song to kill you unless they have Pursuit, in which case you've still killed them in exchange for losing M-Gengar as well.

But this isn't all M-Gengar can do. It has the movepool and power to go offensive, which means bringing in a Pursuit user like Tyranitar on the turn it Mega Evolves to remove the problem as early as possible can be met with a swift Focus Blast, easily 2HKOing.

I know it's a hard thing to accept at first, and it's still very hotly debated, but banning this from Ubers was the only way to make Ubers a metagame worth playing. and since the tier is no longer just a banlist (since last generation), it was the only course of action to take.
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Re: gengarite banned...again?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2014, 17:00 »
DW guys, if you want to use Mega-Gengar just play VGC.

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Re: gengarite banned...again?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 00:49 »
DW guys, if you want to use Mega-Gengar just play VGC.

Or Smogon's doubles tier, the only Pokémon banned there are the 670+ base stat total legendaries, and you can use all megas.

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Re: gengarite banned...again?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 13:37 »
Smogon Doubles =/= VGC Doubles though.

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Re: gengarite banned...again?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 14:31 »
Don't forget 1V1. Only disadvantage is the amount of Charizards and Garchomps roaming the place.

Needs more Gengar

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Re: gengarite banned...again?
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 15:29 »
Smogon Doubles =/= VGC Doubles though.

Obviously.

Don't forget 1V1. Only disadvantage is the amount of Charizards and Garchomps roaming the place.

We are talking about tiers and other ways to play, so you need to be more specific than "1v1". For example you could mention Battle Spot. Smogon has banned Gengarite in all its single battle tiers.

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Re: gengarite banned...again?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 15:45 »
i'd say mega gengar's still quite strong in doubles. Perish song affects 2 pokemon now. Thing is, is that he's vulnerable to being double teamed since he's still quite squishy. and without levitate, he gets hit by the omnipresent garchomp earthquake. still, with proper support he still has the potential to wreck.