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« on: March 05, 2025, 21:21 »
I'm inclined to say you have somewhat of a point. Didn't Misty start using Staryu over Starmie for whatever reason? That always kind of irked me even back when I was watching it new, and the only explanation I can come up with is she wanted to focus on making Staryu stronger, but that's just conjecture. As for the Psyduck thing, I'd agree insofar as the gag gets old after a while, but it's not as annoying as, say, Wobbuffet (though I guess that balances out since it at least gives Team Rocket an edge in battle, unlike Psyduck)
How exactly would you have written her? Honestly curious.
Misty leaves both Starmie and Horsea behind at her Gym in "The Misty Mermaid" episode, which was about 60 eps into Kanto. So she basically only had Staryu, since togepi and psyduck couldn't battle properly and Goldeen couldn't do anything outside water. Misty didn't really have a capable battler pokemon till she got Poliwhirl in the middle of Johto, and that became her main battler till the end of Johto as it evolved and Corsola. The problem with Misty, or the original series as a whole, is it was entirely centered around Ash when it first started. Most eps would focus on Ash and the different filler characters they would meet in each episode, so Misty/Brock would not get to do much more than provide commentary unless the ep focused on them. Most of Misty's moments in Season 1 are just comedic banter/arguing with Ash, but then her temper dies down early into Johto so that aspect of Misty started disappearing and she became less interesting. It also didn't help the Johto saga was plagued with filler, so Misty didn't get to do much for a large chunk of eps unless they made an ep about water pokemon. She had no "real" goal to follow, as whatever Misty's water pokemon thing was barely focused on. She had no rivals (that went on beyond a single ep), and she rarely battled in official competitions aside from a few small things (like the princess festival in Kanto or the Whirl Cup in late Johto). Most people just remember Misty holding Togepi in her arms because...that was genuinely what she did for most of her run on the show. Even in the original 5 movies she barely has a role in any of them, just that short shipping subplot with Melody in Movie 2, and battles Molly a small scene in Movie 3, but not much else. And also of course, not many battles, like if someone right now wanted to go back and watch all of Misty's battles from Kanto through Johto, there's only a small handful to even go back and watch, even less if you don't count all the times Psyduck popped out to get a headache. It honestly feels like Misty was designed to be a short-lived character which is why she worked in Kanto and Orange Islands for the most part, but once you got into Johto she barely had a role anymore besides a few eps. In retrospect it's easy to see why the writers axed her around then and brought in May when they finally had a female protagonist from the game to use, and introduced the contests with battles to give May more focus than Misty got.
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« on: March 05, 2025, 01:35 »
I've been rewatching the original seasons and notice how Misty gets sidelined most of the time. Any time she tries to battle or do something epic, Psyduck would come out interrupting her for the usual gag.
Outside of that most eps focus on Ash and the random filler characters they meet in every ep, so Misty and Brock are largely just treated as exposition characters commenting on whatever is happening. Most of her pokemon are underused too, and it feels like if you don't care about shipping half the appeal to her character is lost. You'd think 275 episodes would be enough to develop her but eh
Misty wasn't a beginning trainer like most of the other female companions, when she's introduced she already co-owns a Gym with her sisters and had 3 pokemon (Staryu, Starmie and Goldeen). But you wouldn't know that from the way she was portrayed.
Early rookie Kanto Ash nearly beats her as early as the 7th episode (he was on the verge of winning had TR not bust through the wall), and he only used Butterfree/Pidgeotto and didn't even have the Kanto starters yet. If he had Bulbasaur or Pikachu wanted to battle, he probably would have won easier. And then after that, Misty loses in the Giselle episode to a Graveler, and doesn't really battle much for rest of the season without Psyduck popping out of its ball to get a headache. In Orange Islands I think her only major trainer battle is the Golduck episode against Marina. Then after that there's not much in Johto till she gets Poliwhirl/Corsola.
Anyone find it weird Misty was treated as inexperienced? Half her team couldn't even battle properly unless under special conditions (Togepi, Psyduck, Goldeen, Horsea), or were underused (Starmie), etc. I know the writers didn't want her to upstage Ash, but they gave her one of the worst battle track records imagineable till the tail-end of her run.
I think the writers just didn't care. When you stop to think of it, there are only very few episodes that actually focus on Misty herself in each season she was in. For the rest of the eps she was basically sidelined with Brock.
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« on: June 06, 2024, 04:29 »
Looking through the archives people wasted 20 years of their lives obsessing over Misty leaving pokemon, and she stayed gone for 20 years besides a handful of eps at the end.
Why on earth did people think Misty was important?
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« on: December 20, 2021, 02:07 »
It's ironic when you stop to realize over 80% of the fanbase has grown up watching the show long after Misty is gone, hence why May, Dawn, etc. also became popular with the majority of original fans and convinced the writers not to bring Misty back to the cast in the early 2000's.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who wasted decades of their lives from the time they were young kids or teens (most are around 30 years old now), thinking Misty had to come back and she never did besides brief cameos.
Oh well I guess?
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« on: August 18, 2021, 02:00 »
Well Nintendo doesn't have anything to do with the writing of the anime and Misty stayed gone because the majority of original fans didn't care and watched the show for two decades after she left. Between that and the millions of kids who grew up watching after she left, Misty's irrelevant to about 80% of the series now. What were people expecting? Misty to stay in the anime for all 20+ years? lol
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« on: August 13, 2021, 01:45 »
My my, how time flies. Sometimes it seems like only yesterday we first heard the news Misty was leaving the Pokemon anime, it's hard to believe that was a whopping 20 years ago now. Misty left in 2002 at the end of Johto, by 2022, she'll have been gone a full 20 years.
Misty's now in less than 20% of the animes total episodes. Nowadays the ENTIRE series is after Misty left, with 900+ episodes and multiple series. Misty stayed gone not only for Hoenn, but every single generation that came after. There's also a whopping 9+ female companions after Misty, which proves Misty could be replaced with any type of female lead and the show would continue on.
It's kinda funny when you remember how people tried to make a big deal out of Misty leaving, yet she really did stay gone for the end of Johto for the entire duration of the series anyway, and only got a few brief cameos in Hoenn and in SM. I guess a lot of people wrongly thought she would be more important to the show than she turned out.
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« on: March 04, 2018, 18:56 »
It might be, "A Shroomish Skirmish" from late Hoenn, which is the ep Torchic evolved into Combusken.
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« on: July 31, 2015, 00:35 »
LOL, on the cover they include Brock's useless Zubat instead of Totodile? They put Chikorita, Cyndaquil and Heracross there, but don't include Totodile? And they show Brock's Zubat...something that barely ever appeared and people completely forget about?
Who designs these covers.
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« on: July 31, 2015, 00:29 »
If you stop to think of it, most of the older cast has been gone for years now, and aside from stuff like flashbacks or in the Japanese openings/endings, they simply don't appear in episodes anymore. For example:
- Misty hasn't appeared in an episode in 10 years. Her last appearance was back in 2005 when Ash came home from the Hoenn league. Since Battle Frontier started, Misty never appeared in the anime ever again. Her last episode was AG134, "A real Cleffa-Hanger" and then afterwards she was basically neglected to flashbacks and that's it. Its pretty notable that Misty hasn't had any appearance since AG, which is now three generations and 10 years ago.
- Tracey hasn't had a speaking role since the final episode of AG back in 2006. We've never seen him again since.
- Gary hasn't appeared since the Team Galactic finale back in 2009. Since then he's never appeared again.
- May's last appearance was the Wallace Cup back in 2008. Even with the release of ORAS it seems it wasn't enough to get her another appearance.
- Dawn's cameo in BW back in 2012 looks to be the end of her character forever too, especially with Serena designed to be so similar to her.
- Brock is of course gone for good, having stayed gone for two gens with Cilan and Clemont replacing him. His last appearance was in a Cilan special that only aired in Japan
So given the huge gaps in time for some of the older characters, especially ones without an episode appearance in an entire decade like Misty and Tracey, is it safe to say the writers are done with the entire older cast?
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« on: August 12, 2014, 05:12 »
I'd rather see a re-release of Hoenn on DVD as that season far more enjoyable. Also give the remakes coming out, its the perfect time anyway.
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« on: November 04, 2013, 22:23 »
The first few episodes have aired in Japan and the first two eps aired in the U.S. already in a preview. Thoughts so far?
It has a very similar feeling to AG due to a 4 person group with another sibling pair on the cast. Ash's personality seems back to what it was in Hoenn with Serena feeling like a mix of May or Dawn. Bonnie and Clemont are the sibling pair.
I like that they're trying a 4 person group again as going back to a trio in DP was extremely boring, and the BW trio while Ok was too short lived to make much impact.
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« on: September 20, 2013, 16:38 »
Well May did have a pretty strong team when she returned in Sinnoh. Not much, but that's what time away from that walking Everstone Ash can sometimes do for you. X
Yeah, every female lead gets stronger AFTER they leave Ash. I always thought Misty's team was boring since she had all generic water pokemon, that's why the writers only focused on Psyduck because it was her one good pokemon. Iris only had 4 pokemon, and her Dragonite was ridiculous. Dawn's team started off good but once Ambipom was released it got lackluster. Neither Piplup nor Buneary ever evolved, and Mamoswine wasn't as strong as it should have been. Don't get me started on that Togekiss that was just handed to her without any training.
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« on: September 20, 2013, 02:16 »
Man I hope Serena gets a good team in the anime. Iris' team was lackluster and Misty's team of all water pokemon got boring.
I sort of liked May and Dawn's teams, but even then they weren't as good as they could have been. I wish the main girl could have a strong collection of pokemon for once.
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« on: September 12, 2013, 20:27 »
Also, I really hope Clemont isn't the Cilan replacement. Bring back brock pls.
Brock's not coming back. And considering few people liked him in Sinnoh, that's a good thing. As for the XY group, I don't mind a group of 4 again. Its just that Bonnie (the little girl), is going to run into the same problems as Max. After a while the writers ran out of things to do with Max and he was just there, so I don't see what they can do with Bonnie that's any different. Serena is probably going to be another May or Dawn type character I guess.
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« on: August 23, 2013, 06:02 »
Brock's not coming back, he's getting a single episode at the end of BW to meet Cilan. He's not in the XY series and truthfully nobody should want him back after how poor he was in DP.
Brock, much like Misty, had the misfortune of being poorly received in their last respective sagas, and then replaced with characters who became just as popular or moreso than they did. So the writers decided to never bring them back to the main cast. This is why Misty has not had an episode return since 2005, and probably never will again.
This will probably be Brock's final appearance in the anime before the writers allow him to fade away into oblivion along with Misty.
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