Fan War, Blaziken vs. infernape

[quack98]

Actually, Blazikens defence stats are lower than Infernape (by 1 base stat point each...) although his HP is a little higher...

But Blaziken doesn't need his defences, because he's always going first

[SirBlaziken]

Yeah, with attack and speed stats like blaziken's, defense is for wimps.

[quack98]

Yeah, his speed stat isn't great but it's at x1.5 after a turn, so it doesn't really matter 

You can just use protect turn 1. And then HJK and then HJK and then Flare Blitz and then HJK...

[SirBlaziken]

my flow chart of uber blaziken:

protect

Swords Dance

Obliterate everything

[quack98]

Except:

Deoxys (extremespeed) (4 formes)
Rayquaza (extremespeed)
Arceus (extremespeed) (17 (soon 18) formes)

Or if HJK misses twice...

Or if you get killed in the turn you use swords dance...

[SirBlaziken]

Alright, point taken

[Spriter]

Except:

Deoxys (extremespeed) (4 formes)
Rayquaza (extremespeed)
Arceus (extremespeed) (17 (soon 18) formes)

Or if HJK misses twice...

Or if you get killed in the turn you use swords dance...

Deoxys is OHKOd by Flare Blitz and possibly Hi Jump Kick. So, we need calcs from you to prove how Deoxys could ever OHKO Blaziken. Rayquaza can't OHKO. None of the Arceus can OHKO either. All types are OHKOd/2HKOd by one of it's STABs. The ones that are 2HKOd can't 2HKO with Extremespeed. So...

[quack98]

Deoxys is OHKOd by Flare Blitz and possibly Hi Jump Kick. So, we need calcs from you to prove how Deoxys could ever OHKO Blaziken. Rayquaza can't OHKO. None of the Arceus can OHKO either. All types are OHKOd/2HKOd by one of it's STABs. The ones that are 2HKOd can't 2HKO with Extremespeed. So...

I didn't say they could OHKO, I was saying he can be stopped, and there are quite a lot of strong priority moves. Also, deoxys A can outspend Blaziken after 1 speed boost, and OHKO with Psycho boost (if specially offensive) or do ~80% when physically offensive with Extremespeed. This means Blaziken has 2 moves (he needs life orb equipped in ubers, realistically) left before he dies from recoil.

[Spriter]

^But then your Deoxys is still dead. Besides:

252 Atk Adamant Blaziken HJK vs 0/0 Naive Deoxys-N = 102.9% - 121.16%

252 Atk Adamant Deoxys-N Extremespeed V 0/0 Adamant Blaziken = 61.79% - 73.09%

You don't even need to risk Flare Blitz death. And the accuracy of HJK is about 90? That's not gonna miss very often.

Arceus calcs, assuming LO, Adamant and Normal type:

Extremespeed vs 0/0 Adamant Blaziken = 63.79% - 75.42%

I'd say that from those, Rayquaza won't do anything like that either.

[quack98]

^i was using Deoxys-A, for the 80%, sorry should've specified.

The point is, Deoxys-A could do this:

Turn-1

-> Use extremespeed, do >50% (that's all that matters)

-> Blaziken uses xxxx, deoxys holds on with focus sash

Turn-2

-> Use extremespeed, Blaziken is KFB.

[Richard and Blaziken]

Deoxys can't be assumed to be holding Focus Sash, no one's sending Blaziken out on turn 1, and no one is leading with (or hell, even using) Deoxys-A, not with Scarf Genesect on 101% of every Uber team.

[quack98]

Deoxys can't be assumed to be holding Focus Sash, no one's sending Blaziken out on turn 1, and no one is leading with (or hell, even using) Deoxys-A, not with Scarf Genesect on 101% of every Uber team.

I use deoxys-A in every match. And normally as a lead. (I like to choose obscure leads)

But anyway, I'm still on Blazikens side, because 'ape isn't doing much in Ubers at all.

[SirBlaziken]

I'm surprised derpape is OU

[quack98]

He could possibly manage in LC 

[Richard and Blaziken]

Really? That's... strange, really. Genesect is U-Turning on you and if they've got Espeon to send in, your lead is doing absolutely nothing. I'd prefer Deo-E as a hazard lead, but really all of the Deoxys forms are pretty much crap in the current Uber metagame.