The one 'mon army!

[Petzbreeder]

I can't remember who it was, but someone else on this forum came up with this idea the other day. I've slightly expanded on it.

This is for when Sun/Moon are released.

Pokemon: Machamp
Ability: No Guard
Moves: Fissure (must have 6 PP)

'Nuff said!

Everyone should have a flying type on their team at all times to counter it, just in case one shows up in a competitive battle.

[MegaNerd14]

That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. NEXT!

[Ya-Yah]

I can't remember who it was, but someone else on this forum came up with this idea the other day. I've slightly expanded on it.

This is for when Sun/Moon are released.

Pokemon: Machamp
Ability: No Guard
Moves: Fissure (must have 6 PP)

'Nuff said!

Everyone should have a flying type on their team at all times to counter it, just in case one shows up in a competitive battle.

I'm a bit confused... could you explain what this is about?

[Petzbreeder]

Basically, No Guard is an ability which makes all moves hit with perfect accuracy.
Combine that with a one-hit KO move like Fissure and you can't lose!

[E.C.A.M.B.S.]

That Machamp needs speed and bulk to deal with Fairy types. Also Pressure Wailord with its marginally better base 60 speed outlasting 6 PP Fissure using Protect and Substitute. Then again Wailord doesn't usually get speed EV's, so you might be in luck there.

Okay then maybe Dugtrio with Arena Trap and Protect + Substitute could do something about Machamp. Or Mega Gengar can use Destiny Bond anticipating Fissure/Knock Off. I know little about competitive play, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Anyway smogon might just go ahead and ban Machamp if a single Pokémon manipulates every team to have a flying type at all times

[SirBlaziken]

I have a way to stop it short here: OHKO moves are banned in competitive play.

Also if you're of lower lever you're out of luck.

[E.C.A.M.B.S.]

I have a way to stop it short here: OHKO moves are banned in competitive play.

Oh, that's right! Oh well, it's still fun to imagine Fissure Machamp wrecking everything if that weren't the case.

I guess Machamp can still destroy almost everything in the ingame or VGC or battles that don't follow smogon rules.

[Petzbreeder]

I did a little experiment with my Diamond version since I have many action replay codes for it that I could use, and it seems that a No Guard Machop with Fissure can hit every time, unless I'm fighting a flying type or a Pokemon of a higher level.

Some people have said on other sites that No Guard doesn't work with one-hit KO moves, I've proved them wrong.

I'm going to slaughter the entirety of Sun/Moon when it comes out!

[MegaNerd14]

You're still an idiot. do you realize how many people have a flying type on their teams anyway just for fly? ANYBODY can counter that.

[sans the skeleton]

calm down let him have his fun, gimmicks like no guard machop are pretty cool for ingame

[Petzbreeder]

gimmicks like no guard machop are pretty cool for ingame

I like using gimmick moves like Tri-Attack on Fearow too, the status effects the move inflicts can be useful.

[MegaNerd14]

I Know something that'll stop you! Eelektross. it has levitate. and acrobatics

[Raphetty]

Since noone has mentioned it, I will explain how to get the move. Gen 1 games for Virtual Console are compatible with Pokémon Bank, so we can use the Fissure TM from those games. We can't use Bank with Sun/Moon yet though, so the move is still not legal.

Getting good IVs may be a problem as well if you're using the real games and not a simulator, since Gen 1 does not have breeding. Glitches have remained intact though apparently, so it might be possible to get good IVs through glitching.