RULES: Updated

[Lord Raven]

You're right- people shouldn't need to be told how to be social, which is why these aren't rules on being social. They're rules for how the forum is run. The rules are set by the staff so they don't have to put up with those few that refuse to be social for whatever reason.

If a moderator can't take user complaints, then they're not cut out for moderating the place now are they?

I'm not sure why anyone would push for more rules on an internet forum.

[b1g]

nice to see the fabled rule 20 still exists..
the changes are good, no more waffle in the rules and it should help new members start of on a better foot around 'ere.

[Webby2]

I'm not sure why anyone would push for more rules on an internet forum.

If something that keeps on cropping up which could be seen as offensive or troublesome for the forums then it'd make sense. Other than that, there would be no need to add more rules =P

[Mushroom]

nice to see the fabled rule 20 still exists..
the changes are good, no more waffle in the rules and it should help new members start of on a better foot around 'ere.

Umm, but there are only 8 rules. You must be making one up.

[Pandemonium]

If a moderator can't take user complaints, then they're not cut out for moderating the place now are they?

I'm not sure why anyone would push for more rules on an internet forum.

I don't mean complaints... I mean actions that one would consider social and others may not. There is a standard that the rules keep, much the same way laws deal with difference in morals.

Amongst one group of friends being social may mean one thing, whereas in another such things would be hugely unacceptable. I like rules to be in place and clear to show exactly what is acceptable in that situation... not everyone picks it up naturally and when they don't the tone drops. That's what forum rules are for, no?.

I prefer more rules to less, as it means the tone won't drop and there are more things enforced to prevent it.

...besides, the case her is that I simply believe that the three word rule should be put in it's own line to be clearer that it's a rule in it's own right, not a footnote on another. o-o

Believe me... had I a forum like this it'd have lots of rules and all would be followed to the tee... and I believe it'd work just as well.

People don't like rules for the simple fact that they don't want to follow them. When you start arguing that they're too rule-like... you're just being petty.

[Lord Raven]

people don't like rules becuase if they're forced to adjust to a simple mechanical process of "what kind of member IS quality," then it becomes less human.  if you honestly have no common sense or social awareness that you need strict, clear, long-winded rules to follow, then that's something more about your character than the quality of the rules.

[Pandemonium]

It's not that  I myself need them, it's that I believe many do... I used to, before I started posting more intelligently. It pushes you to be more articulate and there's something to be said about being a valued member in a site that requires you to contribute well to a discussion.

You don't have to be breaking the rules to derail a topic permanently... that's the problem as I see it, with having few rules.

With more rules, even if it's just the same few rules written out as many, it pushes you to think more, I believe.

[Lord Raven]

so let the amount of people getting pissed and giving you a hint take care of that, not rules.  i'm not sure the rules even concern your general personality [unless it's inflammatory.]  What, you're going to lobby so the place gives a rule that you should not posting anything even a speck off topic so you don't derail threads?

Rules give you a push but they also limit you and make the place more mechanical...  this is a community of people, not a computer program or video game.

[b1g]

Umm, but there are only 8 rules. You must be making one up.

you can't silence me!
i'm not going to be a part of your system you communist scallywag

[Richard and Blaziken]

The new rules are much better than before. A lot more readable than the list of 20+ we has before. Now when we welcome people to PKMN.net and say "Read the rules", we can actually expect that they do it.

Also, bolded parts aren't hard to miss. Imo, this argument is pointless. But continue on if you want, it doesn't bother me.

[Turner]

It's not that  I myself need them, it's that I believe many do... I used to, before I started posting more intelligently. It pushes you to be more articulate and there's something to be said about being a valued member in a site that requires you to contribute well to a discussion.

Let people post how they want, not how you want them to post. If you wanna be intelligent and articulate then do it, but don't enforce it on others who want to be mindless drones in constant debate. Honestly, how can you call yourself intelligent when reading a paragraph of text is too much for you?


Funnily enough, I came here to have fun. Being constantly engaged in debate and intelligent discussion is not my idea of fun. I'm not saying I want to have loads of ridiculous topics about cheese and cookies, but to be honest I much prefer laid back topics to topics about politics or moral issues.

In other words, you just want everyone else to be like you. Yeah great.

It also speaks volumes about what you truely think of the members here if you believe that we'd break rules at the drop of a hat.

[Pandemonium]

You take what I'm saying and twist it to something it isn't. Your screen-name is perfectly chosen.

I can see my opinion isn't going to be something you'll accept as being valid, no matter how much I make it clear that what you're reading from it isn't the case.

So I'm going to stop trying.

[Enigma]

Now when we welcome people to PKMN.net and say "Read the rules", we can actually expect that they do it.

Utterly legendary. <3

You know, this must make the staff want to commit suicide - the Member Council has spent a number of meetings trying to make the rules more concise and, with very little pressuring from the rest of the community, they do a COMPLETE revamp of the rules. And then it's all "omg but i want MOAR rules" or "meh, they're not going to make that much difference <_<; "

For me, the fewer rules are awesome, and no, I don't think it'll make the forums explode with excitement and activity - but I do feel that it'll make mods jobs a lot easier to moderate, as they can clearly point out what a member's doing wrong - i.e. "Your post is simultaneously breaking rules four, seven and twenty one, being 'do not spam,' and 'do not post under three words,' and 'treat all members as if they are human.'"

[Awkward Squirtle]

Umm, but there are only 8 rules. You must be making one up.

20. This rule does not exist - But you are still expected to follow it.

Does this answer your query?

[Pandemonium]

Does this answer your query?

I think it was a joke that you missed the point of. xD

Don't think so literally. Rule 20 doesn't exist... it says so right there.

There are only 8 rules.