Mega Pokemon Base Stat leaks thread

[Hahex and Oshawott]

Mega Swampert is weaker than Mega Blaziken. I'm just gonna let that absurd comment sink in. Mega Swampert is going to be awful. Slightly more defensive than Swampert at the cost of Leftovers. Less powerful than Life Orb/Choice Band Swampert, and marginally faster than normal Swampert (tying with Bisharp and Breloom of note, and Breloom kills it anyway). Such a huge disappointment. Not to mention the design is awful.

At least I can actually use him in OU

[Richard and Blaziken]

At least I can actually use him in OU

But why bother? It's walled by Rotom-W which is on pretty much every team, not to mention Lati@s are both getting buffs. It's weaker than CB Swampert and any Curse set is unviable in OU because it's forced out by Rotom-W. So yeah, you can use it in OU, but it'll be to your detriment :/

Unless Swampert gains Recover in OR/AS, it's not going to be good. Hell even Ludicolo outclasses Mega Swampert as a Swift Swimmer and it can hold Life Orb.

[Delicious_Scout]

As usual, you are thinking the contrary as I do.

I remember Will telling me "Mega Beedrill's design inspires a defence boost".

65/150/40/15/80/145

40 Defence. 40. Deoxys has found a new rival.

And Lopunny... 65/136/94/54/96/135. Now this is a a real pain to decide. With Jolly, you can outspeed Neutral Nature Base 150, but with Adamant you are in 369 Speed; still outspeeding most things, but revenge killed by Greninja (possibly), Mega Aerodactyl (might be), and Mega Alakazam (yes). I find them very odd, though; the Speed reduction of all Pokémon which got their Speed decreased got gargantuan buffs everywhere else.

[SaRo|Rapidash]

That's a rather pedantic way of contradicting the fact that these aren't leaks so much as actually probing the in-game data in the demo.  So no, these aren't wrong, these are 100% correct.

Hey guys, in the code I found that Mega Primal Meganium exists.

Does this make it true? No, fact is no source is "100% correct" and you know that for a fact, so stop disregarding perfectly valid points on the grounds you don't like them.

  And two unique moves can have different power - Shadow Rush, Roar of Time, and Spacial Rend are all very different moves despite being unique moves of a specific trio. 

Shadow Rush is Shadow Force, but even so they all had different secondary effects. Your 'leak' says they have no special effects. Furthermore, Kyogre's is literally a spread hydro pump.

At any rate, Sky Attack does 70 damage average over 2 turns, so technically this is the most powerful one.  It's basically a flying type Close Combat.

GF never work things out as "average over two turns" as they use the Power statistic given in game - anyways, with power herb the argument is neutered.

Let's look at more shortcomings of this leak:

-> No new tutor moves - they've literally cut and pasted from BW2
-> Dark Pulse listed as tutor despite being a TM this gen
-> Beedrill is stronger and faster than Salamence, and gets a 30 point SpA boost which is completely against the pattern of mega evolution, and also ignores that GF mention every stat drop.
-> Two gen VI megas are both events, furthermore they're the only events to get megas? Not completely impossible, I know, but adds to the oddities of the 'leak'

Also, have you actually seen what they're claiming the new Hoopa form looks like? It's literally a jumble of assorted digimon sprites.

Edit: Furthermore, the primals stats, the pokemon website only claims they get a boost to their respective attacks, which implies they'd be the biggest boost, yeah? No. P-Groudon gets +50 SpA yet only +30 attack? Same story with P-K, but the other way.

[Liam]

lol it's not that deep

[Lord Raven]

Hey guys, in the code I found that Mega Primal Meganium exists.

Does this make it true? No, fact is no source is "100% correct" and you know that for a fact, so stop disregarding perfectly valid points on the grounds you don't like them.

Okay so someone actually goes into the code, finds the base stats for Megas and a whole bunch of facts about moves we already know exist, and you're saying "they're not true they're just rumors."  Sounds like someone's just trying to be a contrarian.

You know the source comes from a bunch of people who have figured out how to decrypt Pokemon X and Y right?  Your points are nowhere close to valid.  They literally contradict a fact.

Shadow Rush is Shadow Force, but even so they all had different secondary effects. Your 'leak' says they have no special effects. Furthermore, Kyogre's is literally a spread hydro pump.

Spread Hydro Pump vs an attack that does more damage to a single opponent.  There's a pretty good difference here in their effects.  Rayquaza's effect code is probably lowering Defense and Special Defense - which btw was confirmed by many sources (I think outright stated by Gamefreak).

GF never work things out as "average over two turns" as they use the Power statistic given in game - anyways, with power herb the argument is neutered.

Okay so you're taking their statement very literally as I can see.

Let's look at more shortcomings of this leak:

*sigh*

-> No new tutor moves - they've literally cut and pasted from BW2

Okay?  It just sounds like you don't like this feature.

-> Dark Pulse listed as tutor despite being a TM this gen

Maybe the TM list is different?

-> Beedrill is stronger and faster than Salamence, and gets a 30 point SpA boost which is completely against the pattern of mega evolution, and also ignores that GF mention every stat drop.

Mega Evolutions don't have to follow a set pattern, the game designers can do whatever they want with them.  Given that Beedrill is weak as hell to begin with it doesn't surprise me they gave it massive boosts - especially since its defense is so weak to balance things out.

-> Two gen VI megas are both events, furthermore they're the only events to get megas? Not completely impossible, I know, but adds to the oddities of the 'leak'

I doubt they're the only ones - just the ones found in the demo.

Also, have you actually seen what they're claiming the new Hoopa form looks like? It's literally a jumble of assorted digimon sprites.

Good thing Hoopa reminds me of a Digimon too

Edit: Furthermore, the primals stats, the pokemon website only claims they get a boost to their respective attacks, which implies they'd be the biggest boost, yeah? No. P-Groudon gets +50 SpA yet only +30 attack? Same story with P-K, but the other way.

Yes, probably to equalize the SAtk and Atk stats.  You just sound like you don't like it.

Edit: Also dragon's ascent is a tutor move? Doesn't seem right to me

Just saw this.  I'm going to take a guess and say that Rayquaza learns Dragon Ascent in the same manner that the starter Pokemon learn their respective Hyper Beam forms.  I think it's a Move Tutor in the sense that Meloetta learning her song thing has a Move Tutor associated with it.


Again, you know that these aren't leaks so much as data ripped straight from the demo right?

[Sappy]

Muhed are these the same people who leaked Diancie/Hoopa and Volcanion at the start of X and Y?

[Spriter]

It's all kicking off over a leak, send help.

I'm okay with that Hoopa, reminds me of a boss from Skyward Sword if I'm honest. Tutor moves yassss, and everything else is good. On further inspection, I am gonna have to wreck OU with Mega Beedrill.

[Lord Raven]

Muhed are these the same people who leaked Diancie/Hoopa and Volcanion at the start of X and Y?

Nope but they're the dudes who are behind pokegen iirc

[Meowstic Royalty]

All of these new Megas are great and all

But have any of you heard about Mega Exploud

[Lord Raven]

I'd like to note - the 3DS has been officially decrypted.  I know many, many trustworthy sources that have decrypted a few games, and I can guarantee you that these things found in the demo are indeed correct.

Anyone who is going to abrasively try to question these rumors doesn't have much of a leg to stand on at this point.  (In fact, it's been decrypted for about a week now, so I'm actually a little late with this announcement).