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I sort of understand what they're trying to do, but hating on white people is not the answer to racism, hating straight people is not the answer to homophobia, hating men is not the answer to misogyny, #firstworldproblems memes will not end world hunger, etc etc. Fighting hate with hate will not solve any problems. Whining about social issues on Tumblr rather than, you know, doing anything, will not solve anything.
So first, guys that whine about being "friendzoned for being NICE GUYS" are not "nice guys". If you think that being nice to a woman means that she is obligated to date/sleep with you, then you are not a "nice guy". If you get upset when she doesn't want to date/sleep with you, and start calling her all sorts of terrible things and stalking her and being a general creeper, YOU ARE NOT A NICE GUY. And maybe you should stop telling women to "get back in teh kitchen and make me a sammich lololol!!!11" while you're at it.
With regards to feminism, in the UK & US, women are treated equally to men ... I don't think there's much else for women to campaign for.
women are still paid less than men for doing the same jobs men do
women are still catcalled against their will in the street. "hey sexy, nice tits" isnt a compliment, funnily enough
women are still just seen as a pair of tits and a vagina by a lot of people
This is illegal, certainly in the UK, I don't know about in the US.
Yes, but this is often (not always, I know) made by drunks
And many woman view men in a similar (obviously not the same ) manner. I'm not excusing this; it is utterly disgusting that people do think like this, but it goes both ways. (Although, I agree, for the most part it is men thinking it.)
To be honest, I think a lot of this view is the media, which is one area I think feminism really needs to campaign at. How many good portrayals of woman are there compared to bad in media? I think many feminists would have a heart attack if they saw DCs female characters (See Black Canary, Wonder Woman etc.). This is a lot of the reason this viewpoint is thought. If the media put a little more thought into the portrayal, it may help.
But still, a majority of men (discounting when drunk) do see woman as equals. There will always be extremists, that isn't going to stop, but most of the population agrees that woman should be equal, and do treat them as such.
Most of the problems stem from some people (in the lowest sense of the word) not accepting the equality, and there isn't much we can do about that. We can't exactly say 'say anything negative towards woman and you go to jail / get a fine' we can't force people to change views.
hating on white people is not the answer to racism
It still is illegal. Yet it happens anyway. People actually believe that they should be paid less because of the potential of a maternity leave. So it doesn't happen because they're women perse, it happens as "insurance" and it's pretty stupid.Nope. I've seen it happen plenty of times by sober people on their job.What more can be done though? It's illegal; the government can't exactly do more. The point is, that despite some people's arrogance, law views both as equal.This is something that's case-by-case, since I think it's about even on both sides. Men are just more vocal about it because it's become a "guy" thing to do.Yeah, I'd say that's trueWhy? Skintight suits and revealing stuff? Sure there's an argument there but there's a lot of shirtless men in comics and video games too lol... most DBZ fights consist of someone losing their shirt. Portraying women as helplesss and as damsels in distress could further your argument more, but there's more of a push for stronger female protagonists as of late (see: FF13, FF13-2).I agree that it is starting to change for the better, even games like Portal have a female protagonist. But there is still a lot of negative portrayals (on both sides, yes, but I'd say its mainly on women)Majority is hardly correct.Well, take this thread for instance, everyone who has posted has been in favour of equality.lol thats not where the problem stems fromSaying 'lol' really doesn't help me take you seriouslyI would do some reading or research or legitimately talk to an actual feminist (one that's not a hypocrite, because I know a few [extreme] hypocrites IRL but I've met some legitimately nice feminists that will actually make you more aware of the issues)I know many feminists, and I've read several articles on the subject (Mainly for English write-ups and stuff)
what i think *THINK* that some people are complaining about is... if they're told "i'm not interested in you in that way", but they're still besotted with the person and it still hurts, or they don't want to give emotional support if they know there's no chance of it developing... aka if they're not interested in being "just friends" because they were hoping for a relationship... then that's ok too?? as in, you can't make somebody be friends with you, and everyone's allowed to be upset at rejection. if they'd rather take a "let's see less of each other" than a "let's still be friends", then yknow that's their right. if they start getting pissy along the lines of "i was always friends with you and we got on really well, you like me so why won't you go out with me?" then yeah, we're back in the youre-being-a-dick territory.
I do agree with a lot of feminism, but I do a quick 180 whenever it starts turning into 'Stop thinking ______' or imposing on personal freedoms. There was a South Korean notice sheet thingy that went into circulation in tumblr and had all the SJWs and Feminists jumping for joy. It was basically guidelines for guys on how to act around women, particularly late at night. A couple of the points really irked me:One of them was 'Don't pee in public or else a woman will think you are going to rape her' and 'If a woman gets into a elevator alone, don't get in with her - wait for the next one to come, because it can be unsettling for the woman'.I don't like the way this kind of marginalizes men, I don't mean to go all MRA on this or anything but what exactly are we solving by creating bigger divides? What next? Do we have to sit at the back of the bus too? Wow I wonder what that reminds me of...
I think the idea of 'teach men not to rape' is silly too, and patronizing. Who came up with this assumption that every male is a rapist until taught otherwise? Rapists are rapists, they are criminals - they know they are doing something wrong and no, the 'data' you have about men allegedly not knowing what counts as rape is not relevant. It's like if you catch a shoplifter you get the same excuses 'Oh I thought being drunk and passed out meant she wanted it' 'Oh I thought because it was just stood there unattended I could take it' 'Well if she dresses like that she's asking for it' 'Well if you display those goods outside you're just asking for someone to steal it'. They're excuses, nothing more.
The other side of the coin isn't much better either, it's just kneejerk reaction fuelled by kneejerk reaction which fuels another kneejerk reaction until everyone's an extremist and people are more divided than ever. We need empathy more than anything, not being forced to pick between two awful sides, we get enough of that with politics.
What more can be done though? It's illegal; the government can't exactly do more. The point is, that despite some people's arrogance, law views both as equal.
Well, take this thread for instance, everyone who has posted has been in favour of equality.
Saying 'lol' really doesn't help me take you seriously
I know many feminists, and I've read several articles on the subject (Mainly for English write-ups and stuff)
like 8 people is a poor sample size, any core statistics class or article could tell you thatYes, but any lawyer will tell you a unanimous verdict is powerful. I know 8 people isn't really a great sample, but I think if we posted a (anonymous) poll on the site, the statistics would show a majority do support equal rights. Of course, this poll would be rather pointless as its obvious what the outcome would be.Also, just to specify; by a majority I meant a majority in the UK, I can't really speak for any other country.but have you talked to feminists in person? You can devour articles all you want but it's the conversation that matters most in terms of understanding.Funnily enough, when I say I know feminists I mean I've talked to them.
Yes, but any lawyer will tell you a unanimous verdict is powerful. I know 8 people isn't really a great sample, but I think if we posted a (anonymous) poll on the site, the statistics would show a majority do support equal rights. Of course, this poll would be rather pointless as its obvious what the outcome would be.Also, just to specify; by a majority I meant a majority in the UK, I can't really speak for any other country.
Funnily enough, when I say I know feminists I mean I've talked to them.